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Mlolongo wa Ajali za Barabarani Tanzania 2007-2011

Discussion in 'Jamii Intelligence' started by Bi. Senti 50, Jul 30, 2007.

  1. Bi. Senti 50

    Bi. Senti 50 JF-Expert Member

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    Wana ndugu, tangu Waziri Mkuu aje na utaratibu wa kubadili matumizi ya barabara ya Morogoro na nyingine ili kupunguza msongamano, upande mmoja imerahisisha watu kuingia na kutoka katikati ya jiji. Hata hivyo, matokeo yake hasi ni kuwa ajali za waenda kwa miguu zimeongezeka (kwa mujibu wa Kamanda Kombe). Watu wengi waliozoea kuvuka kwa kuangalia kushoto, kulia, tena kushoto, sasa wanajikuta wanakutana na magari toka kulia! Sasa, Waziri mkuu abebeshwe lawama za kuja uamuzi wa haraka bila kuangalia athari zake na bila ya kuwaandaa wananchi hasa watoto wa shule ambao huvuka barabara mara nyingi. Je, atakubali lawama?

    Asante.
     
  2. Mzee Mwanakijiji

    Mzee Mwanakijiji Platinum Member

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    yaani unataka kusema viongozi wetu wakubali makosa? ur kidding!
     
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    Haya ndiyo mambo tunayoongelea kila siku, these people have unlimited power. Waziri Mkuu siyo mhandisi wa mabarara, kwanini alitoa hiyo amri? Huyu bwana mkubwa abebe lawama...huyu muheshimiwa alitakiwa awajibike kutokana na uamuzi wake usio na busara.

    Kwanini wasiongeze njia nyingine kama suala ni njia tatu? Hivi ni nchi gani magari yanakwenda kinyume na muelekeo wa barbara bila kusababisha ajali?

    Ni mpaka hapo watanzania watakapo anza kupiga kelele ndiyo haya mambo yatakwisha, la sivyo tutaendelea kuyaona kila siku.
     
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    Koba JF-Expert Member

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    ...i cant believe Morroco kuelekea Mwenge still ni single lane...nimeshuka Dar juzi kwa kweli njaa ni kali sana unaiona mpaka kwenye sura za watu,sio kashfa ila ni ukweli jamani najua mtanivurumishia matusi tuu lakini mjini kunaonekana kuna njaa kali sana!
     
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    BI SENTI 50 , MWANAKIJIJI , TZ DEVEL AND KOBA

    Navyojua kitu chochote kinachotaka kuanzishwa katika jamii lazima kwanza wazo hilo lipitishwe kwa wataalamu , wataalamu wachambue na watunga sera wakae pamoja kisha wafanye majaribio katika majaribio haya wahusishwe wahusika wakuu yaani jamii ambayo ndio itakuwa inatumia njia hiyo

    katika majaribio hayo ambayo jamii itahusishwa pia waonyeshe kwa njia ya video au picha jinsi mradi fulani au jaribio lao litakavyokuwa na adhari kwa jamii husika hayo yote hayakufanyika wakati wa uanzishwaji wa barabara hiyo

    tembelea www.earth.google.com download hiyo programu na weka katika computer yako search dar es salaam au mji wowote ule duniani utapata miundo mbinu yake na barabara zake unaweza kuchukuwa michoro katika hiyo google na kuifanyia simulation kuona jinsi inavyofanya kazi serikali ingekuwa makini ingeongea na wataalamu wawasaidie kufanya simulation kuona jinsi mradi wao utakavyokuwa na adhari kwa jamii .

    mwezi uliopita tu , kombe aliagiza magari yote mabovu zile landrover za kubebe magari yalipaki hovyo mjini yasiingie mjini yanaleta uchafu na kwanza sio salama sana , well meya wa jiji akamwambia kombe yeye hana uwezo wa kukataza magari hayo Yasiingie mjini tujiulize yeye meya wa jiji sio mtaalam wa hizi barabara lakini ametoa jibu kama hilo tena akamwambia akaongee na wakubwa zake yeye ni mtoto mdogo sana .

    mifano hiyo na mengine mengi lakini wataalamu wetu wako wapi waandike angalau makala katika magazeti au tovuti waueleze umah mambo yanavyotakiwa yawe ?

    angalia hata mipango miji ilivyokaa halafu angalia chuo cha usanifu majengo pale UCLAS wanatoka wanafunzi wangapi kwa mwaka jiulize

    duh kazi ipo
     
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    COMRADE44 Senior Member

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    Nigeshukuru kama kunamember wa JF na statistics za ajaali baadha ya kuintroduce 3 lanes. I recall figures as high as 8 in one day huko mwanzoni.
     
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    Shy JF-Expert Member

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    Hi Comrade

    Swali Lako Zuri Sana

    Sema Tu Leo Nimebanwa Kidogo Lakini Nitaweza Kwenda Pale Centrol Kuulizia Hili Suala Kwa Niaba Yako , Lakini Jibu Mpaka Kesho Si Unajua Hawa Jamaa Wanataka Kuhakikishiwa Usalama Wao Kwanza Kabla Hawajatoa Taarifa Kama Hizi ?

    Pia Ilitakiwa Tovuti Yao Ile Ya Jeshi La Polisi Waweke Habari Hizi Na Zote Za Matukio Ya Wizi Na Uhalifu Kama Ukitembelea Tovuti Ya Jeshi La Polisi Afrika Kusini Na Mataifa Mengine

    La Mwisho Kabisa Pengine Nikupe Hints Chache

    Barabara Tatu Ziko Morogoro Na Bagamoyo Roads Kwahiyo Unaweza Kupiga Simu Mfano Kituo Cha Polisi Oysterbay Kuulizia , Urafiki , Ubungo Terminal Na Hospitali Kuu Za Wilaya Ya Kinondoni Na Ilala Hapo Utapata Taarifa Rasmi Za Wagonjwa Au Wajeruhi Waliofikishwa Kwa Ajali Zinazohusiana Hizo Njia Tatu

    Ahsante Lunch Njema
     
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    Katibu Tarafa JF-Expert Member

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    watanzania wanaishi kwa kudra ya mwenyezi mungu na si vinginevyo.
     
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    Ogah JF-Expert Member

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    .....najisikia kupata hasira juu ya statement ya Meya........aaaaaggghh......anyway hii ndiyo Mzee ES anaiita......TRUE REFLECTION YA SISI WAPIGA KURA......................damn!!
     
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    Pinokyo SKN Member

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    Tuwe fair hapa; Lowassa alikutana na jopo lililohusisha wataalam, polisi na wawekezeja katika usafirishaji; ni jopo hilo ndilo lilifikia maamuzi haya, siyo maamuzi ya Lowassa binafsi! hao wahusika wote wanatakiwa kukaa tena kwa upya kuangalia kama hilo zoezi walilopa muda wa majaribio linafaa au halifai, watizame njia m-badala kama inalazimu kufanya hivyo. Sie tunoona madhara yake tuwape njia m-badala, tusiwalaumu; nia yao ilikuwa njema, ila utekelezaji kama haufikii kile walichotegemea kupata warudi kujipanga upya nasi tuwasaidie mawazo mapya
     
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    Kama walikuwa wanafanya majaribio nafikiri miezi 3 inatosha. Je, hiyo evaluation itafanyika lini? Kuhusu kupanua barabara hizo zitakuwa hadithi za magazetini mpaka na sisi tutazeeka. JK toka aingie madarakani hamna hata project mmoja aliyoikamilisha wakati barabara nyingi zilikuwa ziwezimekwishaisha tangu last year. Uwanja wa mpira JK mwenyewe mpaka alienda uwaalika Real Madrid kuja kufanya ufunguzi leo project hata hatuna uhakika kama itakwisha au wataamua kuanza kutumia uwanja kabla haujaisha kama tulivyokuwa tunafanya those days; Nakumbuka Jamuhuri Morogoro.
     
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    Wale mnaomlaumu Waziri Mkuu, mna lenu,,, maana nakumbuka waziri mkuu aliwa-task viongozi wa jiji la dar es salaam waje na shuluhisho la msongamano barabara. Na moja ya solution zao ni ya njia tatu wakati wa high traffic to one side...

    Sasa Waziri Mkuu alaumiwe tu pale ambapo itagundulika kwamba viongozi wa Dar es Salaam walimwambia yafuatayo:-
    1. Ili mpango huu uanze, elimu itolewe kwa wananchi kwa muda wa x days/weeks/month
    2. Askari wa barabarani wapate trip kwenda nchi hapa africa au abroad waone system hiyo inavyotumika

    3. TANROAD waandae barabara kwa system hiyo, yaani mabadiliko madogo.

    4.SUMATRA iwaelimishe madereva...

    Kama haya yalikuwepo na waziri mkuu akasema itekelezwe mara moja naomba mumlaumu otherwise mnamuonea......
     
  13. Mzee Mwanakijiji

    Mzee Mwanakijiji Platinum Member

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    tatizo ni kuwa hayo yote hayakuwepo...
     
  14. Gamba la Nyoka

    Gamba la Nyoka JF-Expert Member

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    People! ,lets us be honest!,In TZ we have a lot of problems but we have limited resources(im not talking about Tanzanite and Vyura wa kihansi here) .This is a reality ,In DAr our roads are few,There are a lot of Cars and The population is huge,what do we want the prime minister to do at that particular time, leave the situation and pretend as if he doesn't see?,let the people be late at work everyday?,What is the cost of doing that?. Ofcourse it is obvious that something had to be done.You cannot call the decision made as a hurried decision,My self i regard that decision as a "stitch in time".
    And the Prime minister went further to announce that those were just "temporary measures" ,a longterm solution is what the government is longing for.about accidents though no statistics have been provided so far as to what is the sole cause of those accidents, but accidents can be due to many reasons,bad driving habits,how vehicles are safe, how people adhere to traffic rules, unawareness of route change by some people(though you cannot credit it as a 100 percent a single reason).I think The Prime Minister was Right to try to find a solution to this Congestion problem(though temporarily at this time).But our focus should be what is their next plan to solve this problem, not to blame him on atleast for this deciosion he has taken till this moment.
     
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    Mkandara Verified User

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    Bi senti 50,

    Huwezi kuamini siku niliyoona tangazo hilo ktk gazeti kitu cha kwanza kilichoniingia akilini kilikuwa hicho. Safety ya watembea kwa mguu!
    Hotuba nzima ilikuwa imelenga kitu kimoja tu traffic jam bila kufikiria waenda kwa mguu kisha nikasema aaah Bongo tofauti na Ulaya, sheria huwa ni ya mwenye gari siku zote kwa hiyo watu wamezoea kutazama magari badala ya taa ama sheria za barabarani!.

    Kumbe imetokea kweli?.. sasa hapa wananchi ndio mjuwe viongozi wetu wanavyorukia mambo bila kufanya uchunguzi na maandalizi ya kutosha kabla hawajapitisha sheria. Na kama kweli vifo ni vingi mimi nadhani ipo kila haja ya hizo familia kuishtaki serikali yetu kwa kusababisha vifo!..
    Public safety inatangulia mnyororo wa magari!..na kama sheria hiyo ilipitishwa bila kuwepo utaratibu wa kisheria kuwalinda waenda kwa mguu nadhani Waziri mkuu lazima awajibishwe kama alivyofanya yeye kwa wale waliojenga majumba mabovu!

    Gambala nyoka,
    Hakuna Temporary measures ambazo zina worth peoples life!..
     
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    Ogah JF-Expert Member

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    yeah man!!

    Mwl Rajabu wa pale UCLAS katoa solution........kinachohitajika ni kwa serikali kufanya commitment

    Yote yawezekana kwa EL!!!! yaweza kuwa alipata ushauri wa wataalamu/Aliamua mwenyewe kama ambavyo tumemshuhidia ktk maamuzi yake mengine
     
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    Mwanagenzi JF-Expert Member

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    Bado sijaona uhusiano wa matumizi ya "njia tatu kwenda mjini" na "ongezeko la ajali".

    Mnataka kusema ilivyokuwa "njia mbili kwenda mjini" na "njia mbili kutoka mjini" watu walikuwa wanapita barabarani? Kiasi kwamba sasa wanagongwa kwa vile "njia yao" imechukuliwa na magari??

    Anayeweza anieleweshe!
     
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    Kasheshe JF-Expert Member

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    Mwangagenzi;

    Ni hivi, watu walizoe kwenye double road (two lanes in each direction) kwamba katika kuvuka (first two lanes) unaangalia upande mmoja tu, sio pande zote mbili, sasa ukishamaliza zile mbili za kwanza, ukienda upande mwingine unaangalia upande mwingine...ambao usio ule wa mwanzo, sasa issue inakuwa ukitumia barabara tatu... lanes mbili za kwanza sema ni zinafuata magari yote yanaenda upande mmoja (one direction); lakini ukienda kwenye lanes nyingine za pili pale magari yanaenda (two, oposites directions)... so ni tofauti na mazoea yetu... si unajua kichwa kinamambo kinacrem na kufanya kazi kama roboti... sasa hapo ndio ajali zinapotokea...

    Hope nimeelewesha kama sio nimekuchanganyi zaidi...
     
  19. AmazingFriend

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    Drivers wanaotumia njia ya tatu wakielekea mjini wanakuwa
    wame occupy space ya njia mojawapo ya huo upande.
    Mwenda kwa miguu/muendesha baiskeli anataka kuvuka barabara
    kutoka upande aliopo ambao barabara moja imekuwa occupied.
    Akiangalia anaona hakuna gari, kumbe lipo kutokea upande walio
    halalisha, akifika half-way, ghafla anajikuta uso kwa uso na gari. Wiki iliyopita, kwa muda wa saa moja nililokuwa barabarani naendesha watu watatu wamejikuta uso kwa uso na magari
    inabidi break zinafungiwa miguuni kabisa!
    Unapovuka, unakimbia au kuharakisha uwahi kupita, kumbe upande wa pili kuna gari liko speed linakuja hujui!
    Hatari iliyoje hii?
    Mwanagenzi, inaelekea hutoki nyumbani mapema. Pita kuanzia saa 12.30am uone matatizo ya njia 3! Kwa waendeshaji na waenda kwa miguu/baiskeli pia.
    Guess the thing should come to an end now!
    Wengi wanapoteza maisha/wanaumia sana.
    AF.
     
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    Mwendapole Old JF-Expert Member

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    Uko sawa kwa kusema ni tofauti na MAZOEA ya waenda kwa miguu.hao nao wana tatizo maana hata pale Manzese palipokuwa na kivuko cha juu waliendelea kuvuka kama walivyozoea na wakaendelea kugongwa hadi wahusika walipoamua kuweka uzio imara kuwalazimisha watembea kwa miguu watumie kivuko chao cha juu.
    Huko wanakogongoewa waenda kwa miguu pana kivuko, au ndo hayo ya kuvuka popote?
     
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