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MIGOGORO KENYA...Mh. MOI UPO?

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by Tinashe, May 4, 2009.

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    Tinashe Member

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    Nashangazwa na Siasa ya Kenya hasa pale walioko juu kuongoza Kenya hii kugombea Madaraka, Mzee Moi ushauri wako uko wapi? RailA MwaI si wanao hawa Baba?

    Mzee Kenyata saidia Kenya itararuka hivi Punde. Jamii Ya Africa Mashariki tusaidieje hili swala?
    Naomba mchango wenu wapenda amani ka Watanzania wa Jamii ya Ujamaa na Kujitegemea.
    Wakenya wanaojiita SERIOUS KENYAN"S wamelala.
     
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    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    Now what the f????? Where is all this coming from?
    Na for your info Tanzania si nchi ya kujitegemea, you dont even know your country.You cant even finance your budget, halafu you are claiming that mwajitegemea, pole for bursting your bubble.
     
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    MzalendoHalisi JF-Expert Member

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    1. Jana niliingalia documetary Discovery Channel over Mungiki and post elections violence: ilisikitisha sana haswa suspects of Mungiki are being killed by Police like chicken!

    2. Taabu kubwa pia niliona ni tofauti kubwa mno ya utajiri na umaskini: angalia CBD Nairobi na linganisha na watu kule Kibera na kule maskini wanakookota chakula ktk waste Dandora..nk it was so shoking! Umaskini niliouona ktk hii documentary is unimmaginable!

    It is a good country with pride but income differences is shoking! Mimi kwa Dar sikuwahii kuona sii Menzese wala Tandale, wale Mburahati!

    Yaani ni ngumu sana jirani zetu to maintain peace and stability in a social fabrique which is so tense and delicate! Haswa respect for Life!

    We really need to go slow in Federation..hadi wenzetu waweke house in order!
     
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    I usually approach such posts with alot of caution and rationale, especially after noting the bloke who has sent the post. I know your kind mzalendo, the patronizing type, people who think they are intellectuals because they have been exposed to a biased reporting on cases affecting their home or neighbors.

    We as Africans all suffer from one disease, POVERTY. Whether self inflicted or system induced, its still poverty which affects everyone of us, either directly or indirectly. The poorest area I have visited in Tanzania is Toloha, believe it or not, the people are uneducated, uncivillised, to the extent of marrying off their young daughters to older men in some villages in Taveta for small tokens like bicycles(beleive me).

    We are all poor, just because Tanzania has not been on the lens doesnt mean it is not affected. Your people go to the extent of murdering albinos to extinction just to free themselves from the shackles of poverty, just because a Tanzanian has not been captured on camera by big brother fending from the dustbins, doesnt mean that it doesnt occur, it does and maybe in worse forms than what you saw in the discovery channel.

    And for your info, we are maintaining peace and stability, I think Tanzania as a country focuses alot of their energy in dissecting and scrutinizing other countries that you forget about your own filth. You goverment is corruption riddled, (I think they have borrowed a leaf from their kenyan counterparts), your media worships your lethargic president(thats what will **** you up as a country), you have an inferiority complex(thats the only reason you think you will be short changed in the federation), you are not aggressive(kwa ufupi, mmelala.). If you sort this mess up, maybe, just maybe, you will be alow to have pity on any other African country.
     
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    MzalendoHalisi JF-Expert Member

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    bad seed,

    Haha ha ha! Naona umeshikwa pabaya ndugu! Pole sana: I had expected such a reaction from you! Pole sana!

    Ha ha ha!

    Kaazi kweli kweli!!!
     
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    OWOYA,
    Eti wakenya wamelala?
    Hapo unaleta uchokozi.
    Mimi sipo.
    Eti Wakenya mmelala?
     
  7. People'sPower

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    Ndugu hujaeleza huo mgogoro wenyewe ni mgogoro gani,unakusudia ule uliosuluhishwa na Kofi Anaan au upo mgogoro mwengine sisi hatuujui?
     
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    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    These nonsensical posts are not in the spirit of our integration as one East African country.Owoya, posting about non existing conflicts will not put you in the good books of many of us, where are you to defend what you started, it wount be a surprise to discover that you dont even know what you are blubbering about. Stick to what you are conversant with and spare your motherland the embarrassment of trying to defend the stupidity that your kind spew.
     
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    SMATTA,
    You may be right, but you are wrong to call this post ''nonsensical".Give him/her chance to elaborate.

    Ni vema tungemtaka OWOYA, kuiorodhesha hiyo migogoro iliyoko huko Kenya.
    Au kama kuna mwana-JF yeyote anaweza kutuhabarisha kama Kenya kuna migogoro yoyote.
     
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    Tinashe Member

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    ...SMATTA,

    The following is one of my defences and which will put me in the good book of many of us.Are you not awere of the following??

    1.Parliaments disagreement..who will be the Boss of Government issues? Raila or Kalonzo?

    2. Migingo Lake, is Kenya or Uganda party ?/ why Politician argue?

    3. Mungiki is a part of Government or Community supported with leaders within the gvt? Why not end it?.... even the gvt tried to stop but no changes.....
     
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    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    Bado hujajibiwa Bw Owoya?
     
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    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    FOR YOUR INFORMATION AND FUTURE REFERENCE:

    1.Parliament doesnt have to agree on everything, the members represent different constituents, and all have a right to reject whatever is brought on the table. Kenya is a democratic nation and our members of parliament know that they dont have to follow what the president says, unlike our neighbours who think the president is god (pun intended).

    2. The issue on Migingo is simply a border dispute, which can be simply solved by cartographers, period.. no military and guns involved(sorry for bursting your bubble), It has nothing to do with the policies of a country or the government of the day. People are on the ground trying to resolve it diplomatically, and after three months we will peacefully know on whose side the piece of rock is, and finally you will go to sleep (assuming this is what has been keeping you awake and giving you nightmares and not corruption being a norm in your country).

    3. On the issue of Mungiki, I cant keep repeating my self. Its like when I keep asking about what steps your goverment has taken to prevent the further killing of innocent albino children and women, mhh? ELITE POLICE SQUADS HAVE BEEN FORMED TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE FOR GOOD. The key word is ELITE, not just poorly trained police officers that we see manning your bank halls, making them vulnerable to robbers from neighbouring(read Kenyan) countries. Known politicians are involved and the law will catch up with them.

    I rest may case.
     
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    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    Kuhusu hii ishu ya Mungiki, dont make it a light issue that can be snuffed of
    by a mere 'elite squad'. Hio Kwekwe has been there since when and what
    have they done to apprehend Mungiki?..Nothing.Their hands are tied
    because of the blame game going on within the Kenyan political
    landscape.Meanwhile somewhere in Kenya....

    MPs demand Mungiki arrests

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    A priest conducts prayers during the funeral service of 12 people at Ndiriti Primary School in Kirinyaga West District last week.

    By CAROLINE WAFULA

    Posted Wednesday, May 6 2009 at 20:16

    MPs have asked the Government to expose and apprehend the financiers of the outlawed Mungiki sect. This came up on Wednesday when Parliament interrupted its normal business to discuss the recent killings in parts of Central Province by people who are believed to be members of the illegal group.

    In what appeared to be a blame game, MPs accused the government of laxity in dealing with illegal gangs as Internal Security assistant minister Orwa Ojodeh challenged legislators and religious leaders to come out and openly condemn the gangs.

    Government Chief Whip George Thuo (Juja, PNU) moved the motion of adjournment that allowed the House to discuss the matter for an hour. Former Cabinet minister Martha Karua (Gichugu, PNU) said individuals behind the killings should be apprehended.

    Ms Karua said 44 and not 29 people were killed in the Mathira mayhem, saying 15 suspected sect members were lynched by vigilante groups. She accused the police of abdicating their responsibility of taking charge of security during the entire week when the mayhem occurred.

    "A criminal act is a criminal act by whatever name," she said. She claimed the latest information indicated that the vigilante groups were escorted by the police when they fished out and killed suspects.

    She further alleged that at least 3,000 attackers rode into the area on motorcycles, brandishing all manner of weapons. "It is as if security apparatus had gone to sleep," she said, demanding that the police give an explanation on their whereabouts during the period of attack.

    Mathira MP Ephraim Maina (Safina) revisited the events of the night of April 21 when the killings were executed, claiming outsiders were involved. He said it was clear the gang was funded and protected and the attack well-planned.

    "It takes money to have all these people attack a very peaceful village in the way they did," he said, claiming further that those who came in a convoy of motorcycles had passed by security road blocks.

    Seconding the motion, Saboti MP Eugene Wamalwa (PNU) said the Mathira killings were a massacre and a national problem. Kisumu Town East MP Shabir Shakeel (ODM) said lack of understanding and commitment was part of the problem.

    Protect officers

    "People don't trust and no longer rely on security forces to protect them," he said. But Mr Ojode defended police officers from accusations of laxity. "When police officers are killed not a single person comes out to say it wrong. We must also protect our officers," he said.

    The assistant minister hit out at leaders questioning their silence on the matter. "The truth must come out. How come some of you colleagues come out to defend these gangs when police officers arrest them? Why do some colleagues suggest that we negotiate and how come even Christians do not openly condemn them?"

    He told the gangs their days are numbered. "We shall never negotiate with criminals when I am still the assistant minister in this office," he said.

    DAILY NATION*- MPs demand Mungiki arrests
     
  14. Smatta

    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    hey dude, do you read your papers, seriously, ama they dont have credibility or they are too boring to read. If you have read the article, then you know that we are serious on the issue. AND KWEKWE IS NOT THE ONLY ELITE SQUAD FIGHTING MUNGIKI, KUNA EAGLE AND SOME OTHER UNNAMED ONES. sisi tuko kazi, nyi kaeni kando mtuangalie tu, coz thats the best thing you have ever accomplished, watching from the fences.
     
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    Smatta,

    You are busy preaching to the choir yet the problem still remains there.
    Typical Kenyan political answer to problems...instead of tackling an issue
    once and for all munatengeza squad baada ya squad just to hoodwink
    people about what is really going on in terms of who is bankrolling these
    thugs to kill there fellow kinsmen. Remember when Moi used to form
    committees and commissions yet nothing came out of them?...Kibaki
    has simply borrowed a page from Moi's book.

    Its a good thing we are watching through the fence coz when Kenya
    burns you will definitely run to the fence that you are now loathing!

    P.S. I read my papers everyday and they are not boring.
     
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    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    so bwana Ab- what do you want us to do?? If this ish was happening from your side, what could your goverment have done. Mungiki is a social problem and it cant be tackled as fast as you think. We have good mechanisms to fight this gangs, and they are being put into practise. remember what was done to the SLDF, thats what will be done to Mungiki, keep reading our papers, you will come across it one of this fine days.

    BTW, nipashe si gazeti, ni udaku umekusanywa na waswahili, ika pelekwa press.
     
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    MzalendoHalisi JF-Expert Member

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    Kenya has a very long way to go to address Mungiki Issue. Wakati Mwal. Nyerere was buiding Tz as a nation Kenyatta na Moi were bussy approprieting wealth, land..which brought Mungiki and other injutices we see in Kenya today!

    I think Mwal. was a good nation builder!
     
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    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    What do I expect you to do???????...aloo mumefuga nyoka wenyewe
    sasa anaanza kuwauma na hamjui muelekee wapi?..The Mungiki issue
    will only be tackled if people came out clean..especially some Cabinet
    Ministers in Kibaki's Govt.I remember when this menace started it was
    simply a social/cultural group that was meant to front Agikuyu nationalism
    when Moi was running amock trying to kill Kikuyus in the rift valley.

    However what happend during and after the 2007 elections really made
    this group a force to reckon with maana politicians used them big time
    to expound their ills.Tatizo linatokea that if they are to be brought to
    book then they will go down with a whole structure of the political
    kingpins from central Kenya where the group emanates from.That is
    why their so called leader keeps getting arrested, freed then rearrested.
    Its like they dont want the guy to have his day in court coz of the ammo
    he will unleash.

    Meanwhile I see your myopic and warped sense of imagination by caliming
    that i read tabloids...I said Newspapers and I know the difference.
     
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    Mzalendohalisi,

    Afadhali umekuja weye mkuu mwenzangu.Mwambie kua hii kitu haitoweza
    kutokea bongo maana hakuna ukabila!!!!
     
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    Let me just ask you a blunt question mate, kwani waKenya walizaliwa na ukabila ama what happened after independence that cant happen in Tz that made us 'tribalistic'.. Am putting tribalistic in quotes because most of us are not tribal.

    What I can say from posts here is that you usually view your country as a closed chapter, in your warped thinking you dont think that you can be faced by civil strife, militia, or other types of political problems.. you just think the problems are endemic to other countries.. this is where you go wrong, what is going on in other neighboring countries can easily leak, and be emulated and raised within your borders. Thats when you will know that you have a poorly trained and ill equipped police force, that cant even protect a minority in a country.

    ukiona mwenzako anyolewa, chako kitie maji..
     
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