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Mfano wa kwanini Tanzania ni masikini ni huu hapa wa ATC

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Kamundu, Jan 1, 2012.

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    Kamundu JF-Expert Member

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    Serikali inaongea kila siku lakini hakuna kinachofanyika!! kimepanda, kimeshuka hakuna mtu anayefungwa wla nini halafu tunategemea maendeleo. ATC inasaidia nini Tanzania! sasa hatuna pesa hata ya kulipa wajenga barabara kwasababu pesa zinaishia mifukoni kwa watu wachache je ni lini viongozi wetu watakuwa na hasira na uchungu wa nchi!!.

    Fresh battle over Sh 52 billion deal
    By Florian Kaijage
    1st January 2012

    The minister for Transport Omari Nundu

    The government has opted for thorough review of the controversial lease agreement of aircraft Airbus 320, whose bill went to a staggering amount of $32.6 million (Sh52 billion).

    The new government position came upon learning that the aircraft, leased to Air Tanzania Company Ltd (ATCL) by a Lebanese company, Wallis Trading Inc. was sold in Zimbabwe at $16 million, less than 50 percent of the leasing bill accumulated by the country’s flag carrier.

    The minister for Transport Omari Nundu told The Guardian on Sunday on the sidelines of a press conference this week in Dar es Salaam that the government was not ready to pay unjustifiable debt.

    “I have no detailed information yet, but I have heard that the aircraft was sold at $16 million. We are going to make a keen follow up to establish what happened and the way forward,” explained the minister.

    “As a country we can not deny paying if the debt is clear and genuine, but we can not pay if we are not satisfied with all aspects on how the debt arose and the eventual selling of the aircraft,” he said.

    During the press conference, Eng. Nundu warned management officials of parastatals under the ministry against subjecting the ministry to bogus deals that end up costing the nation. Severe measures would be taken against offending officials, he asserted.

    On November 13, 2011 this paper reported exclusively that taxpayers were set to pay Sh22.64 billion for service that wasn’t delivered and that the plane was sold at $16 million.

    The said money is an accrued debt of leasing the aircraft A320 for a period of 34 months, during which the same aircraft remained on the ground in France undergoing major technical maintenance, but the leasing charges were same as a flying one.

    The aircraft flew for only seven months from May to December 2008 mainly on the Dar es Salaam – Johannesburg route. It remained in the hands of ATCL for 48 months.

    Minister Nundu said that the lease act review was unavoidable even if it leads the leaser (Wallis Trading) to opt for court action against the government, as sole shareholder for ATCL.

    He said the ministry would not be excessively worried about court action as paying the current debt was worse than a proper outcome of court action, comparing the situation with the investment agreement with Rites of India for the Tanzania Railways Ltd. The two parties accepted to cancel the agreement in 2009.

    The Guardian on Sunday has reliably been informed that the selling of the aircraft (Airbus A320) in Zimbabwe at $16 million last October is a fact that Wallis Trading has been avoiding to be known to Tanzanian authorities. “They are clearly aware that this fact is serious and controversial, that is why they have attempted to ensure it remains covered until the leasing bill is paid,” disclosed a well placed source at the ministry.

    As it stands today there might be a renewed battle over the debt should Minister Nundu stand by his position, as the agreement for ATCL to release the aircraft back to Wallis Trading signed in October 2011 states that the debt would be honoured by effecting payment.

    The agreement partly reads: “……additionally a lump-sum of compensation is payable to the leaser for early termination and for failure by the lessee to deliver the aircraft in the condition required under schedule 3 paragraph 6 and (10-13) of the lease agreement.

    The Other Cost remain outstanding (OA) and Total Amount (TA) amount and the period of other terms for payment have been agreed today between us, you, the Ministry of Finance and technical committee, appointed by the government agency, Consolidated Holding Corporation (CHC) subject to the letter signed by the Permanent Secretary of Ministry of Finance as per the discussion between him and Wallis Trading at the ministry on October 27th 2011 at 9.30.”

    Zitto Kabwe, chairperson of the parliamentary standing committee on Public Organisations Accounts (POAC), said this week that his committee had no formal information in regard to the said debt since ATCL was under the Treasury Registrar.

    “ATCL has not appeared before our committee, the main reason being that is under the Treasury including all its liabilities since 2007. The idea to bring it under CHC (Consolidated Holding Corporation) is yet to be concluded policy-wise, thus we are not informed of its accounts,” the MP underlined.

    However, he said as shadow minister for Finance he was for the idea to review the A320 leasing agreement, but the government should do more than just a review.

    “I agree that a review on the leasing agreement should be done to see if there was any discrepancy jeopardising public interests, and the aircraft releasing agreement back to Wallis should be made public,” he emphasized.

    He cautioned: “Information I have as a spokesperson on Finance suggest that the Treasury is ready to effect the payment to Wallis. My position is that the payment should not be made until all associated agreements are keenly looked into so as to safeguard public interests.”

    Kabwe explained that he would contact his deputy on PAOC, Deo Haule Filikunjombe for the purpose of having the A320 release agreement availed to the Committee during its meeting later this month.

    The leasing period was six years (72 months) but the plane remained in the ATCL hands for 48 months, 41 of which it was grounded for technical maintenance in France.

    An aircraft expert who spoke to this paper in November but preferred to remain anonymous said it was inconceivable that the lease rate of $370,000 per month remained the same when the plane was operating and during the maintenance, arguing that non-operational lease charges would have gone down to around $30,000 a month.

    The Guardian on Sunday’s month-long effort to contact the Permanent Secretary at the Ministry Finance, Dr Ramadhan Kijjah could not bear fruit despite submitting questions in writing.

    After several calls to Finance ministry’s head of media and communication, Ingiahedi Mduma as well as personal assistant to the permanent secretary Frank Mtosho they wanted this newspaper to contact the sector ministry, which in this matter is the Ministry of Transport.

    The said aircraft (Airbus 320) was leased in 2007 at a cost of $370,000 a month in the preparation for then deemed second divestiture of ATCL that was to be partly sold to a Chinese company, Sonangol. However, the Chinese firm never signed a formal contractual agreement with the Government but pledged to buy ATCL not less than five Airbus aircrafts by 2012, a pledge that was not honoured.

    In line with the then eagerly awaited ATCL’s take-over by Sonangol, the ATCL management rushed to lease A320-214 from Wallis Trading, the company said to have a close working relationship with Sonangol.

    The plane had operated in Liberia before it was leased to the South American state of El Salvador.

    By the time Tanzania entered into lease agreement in October 2007 the aircraft was due to go for major technical maintenance, known as ‘Check C’ plus 12 years. That intention was only established after the agreement was penned, leading to the aircraft be grounded in France for seven months.
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    Alpha JF-Expert Member

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    Totally agree!
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    Hii inasikitisha na inaumiza kwani navyoona at the end of the day serikali italipa, chakushangaza hii deal ya Airbus toka mwanzo ilijulikana ni ya wajanja wachache lakini wahusika walikaa kimya tu, you cant imagine ndege hii ilkodiwa bila maandalizi yeyote upande wa ATCL kama ilivyokawaida ndege inapokodiwa, ilibidi kuleta marubani wa kukodi , mafundi wa ndege wa kukodi na hata kukodi kampuni toka mauritius ambayo ilikuwa inafanyia matengenezo ndege hiyo, mbaya zaidi ndege ilikodiwa ikiwa mbovu kabisa ilibidi ikae miezi 6 kwanza toka ilipokodiwa itengezwe ndiyo ikaletwa hapa!!!! kama haikutosha ndege ilikodiwa kwa mkataba usio wa kawaida katika mzingira tata mkataba wa miaka sita!! jamani!! ndege hii ilifanya kazi miezi minne tu ( May - Sept 2008) baada ya hapo zikaanza hadithi za matengenezo ikapelekwa kwanza mauritius wakubwa wakawa wanapishana kupata perdiem za kuangalia ndege hiyo huko!! kisha ikaondolewa na kupelekwa ubeligiji ambako ndiyo hadithi ya mwisho ya kuuza ndege imetokea (toka hiyo 2007 every month tunatakiwa kulipa hiyo USD 370,000/= plus mpaka october 2013) .......suala nalojiuliza haya yote yanatokea wahusika wale tuliwapa dhamana ya kuangalia mali zetu za taifa zisiwe shamba la bibi wako wapi??? na huu ni mfano mmoja tu wahusika waliokodi ndege hiyo wako wanakula chajuu kama kazi nasikia ndio wanaoshinikiza serikali ilipe ili waendelee kupatachajuu ... .......kwa mtaji huu Tanzania tutaendelea yes kuwa maskini.
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    Ruge Opinion JF-Expert Member

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    Hivi ndege mbovu inarukaje kwenda Mauritius na halafu Ubeljiji/Ufaransa? Hiyo ilikuwa ni major au minor/routine repairs? Hivi tatizo ni wansheria wetu kwamba ni vihiyo wa kutupwa au ni mikataba ya makusudi ya kifisadi? Baada ya Richmond na dada zake bado watu wana guts za kufanya mambo kama hayo? Na serikali/waziri anaongela kufanya uchunguzi lakini siyo kuwawajibisha waliofunga mkataba!! Ubavu anao?
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    Nakupenda Tanganyika wangu, ila kwa haili hii kila kukicha asimia 0.5 ya mapenzi inapungua
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    Kimbunga Platinum Member

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    Mvengevenge umeiweka vizuri sana hii kitu. Hivyo ndivyo ilivyokuwa na wenyewe wanaujua huu ufisadi. Hatari kubwa tunalipa bila kutumia!! Huu ni ufisadi wa kutisha sana! Pesa zetu zinagawanwa kama peremende!

    Bado kuna lile ambalo lilimong'onyokea kule Mwanza!

    Hivi hatuna wanasheria wanaojua mikataba au ndio makusudi zenyewe hizi watu wanagwana kupitia mikataba ambayo hata mtoto wa darasa la sita ataona kwamba si kwa manufaa ya nchi? Inakera inasikitisha sana.
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    Tukisema mzee wa kaya hana la kutusaidia kama nchi wengine wana lalama lakini ukweli ni kwamba amefanya nchi imekuwa hovyo kuliko alivyoikuta.. Natamani kulia nikisikia haya..
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    democratic JF-Expert Member

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    mnachoniboa watz ni hii stail ya bla bla tu then no any reaction against the stuation,epa,richmond rada yote hayo yamepita na watu waliokwapua mihela ya umma wanapeta streets.du hii tz...........................
  9. engmtolera

    engmtolera Verified User

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    Mh Raisi Upooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
    je unayaona hayaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
    kama unayaona nini unafanyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
    mbona mnatumizaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    Haiwezekani jamani mimi ndio naondoka hivyo nikamwone Raisi na kama hata hili halijui kama Richmond basi nchi hii kila wizara ina Raisi wake na mamlaka yakeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    mungu wanguuuuuuuuuuuuuuu unasema USD 370,000/=kwa mwezi!!!!!!!! ama kwa siku!!!!!!! siamini macho na masikio yangu,nchi hiiii imekwisha,imeuzwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuwiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii RAISI UPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZI

    Dr Slaa nakuamni na natambuwa kuwa upo hapa Please please hili si la kufumbia macho tumechoka jamani,hebu fanyeni jambo juu ya hili
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    O-man JF-Expert Member

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    Hivi wananchi wa TZ hatuwezi kupaza sauti moja ya kutokuwa na imani na serikali. Haya mambo sasa yanatisha. Mlolongo wa upuuzi umekuwa ni mrefu mno. Tunaomuia ni sisi ambao hatuna maamuzi katika madudu haya. Change has to be instituted now tomorrow will be too late. I do not have any stronger terms.
  11. engmtolera

    engmtolera Verified User

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    yeah hakuna kusubiri,tumeumizwa vya kutosha,tumenyonywa na waafrika wenzetu vya kutosha mda ni huu,tuamke

    nadhani wame mwona Raisi hana meno so wameamuwa kufanya ufisadi wa wazi hii haiwezekani jamani
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    We know next JF-Expert Member

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    Naona kilichobaki Serikalini kwetu sasa ni " MADILI TU" Prof. J, hembu tukumbushie ule wimbo wa Bongo Dar es Salaam. Kweli wewe ni Msanii mwenye maono.
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    MVENGEVENGE Senior Member

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    Wakuu ,huu mkataba wa Airbus ulikuwa ni wa ajabu sana... leo vijana wa pale ATC hse wameninyofolea sehemu ya mkataba huo huwezi amini .... pamoja na kulipa ile Lease cost ya USD 370,000/= kila mwezi bila ndege kuruka pia ...... lease cost ilikuwa inaongezeka kila mwaka kwa asilimia 3 hadi 4!! kama walivyokubaliana watia saini. kama hiyo haitoshi basi sehemu zingine za ndege kama matairi ya ndege, engine, frame ya ndege nk nk vilikuwa vinalipiwa kwa lease cost yake kwa mwezi kwa hiyo actual lease cost siyo USD 370,000/= kwa mwezi ni zaidi hapo....... jamani bado napitia huu mkataba ni mrefu una page 93!!!
    angalieni kipande kidogo hiki.........ufafanuzi Lessee ni ATCL na Lessor ni
    5.3 Rent:
    (a) Lessee will pay to Lessor or to its order Rent in advance on each Rent Date.
    (b) If a Rental Period begins on a non-Business Day, the Rent payable for that Rental Period shall be paid on the immediately preceding Business Day.
    (c) Subject to Clause 5.3(d), the amount of Rent to be paid on each Rent Date shall be $370,000. This figure is calculated on the basis of a 30 day month, and Rent will in fact be payable by reference to the actual number of days in each month.
    (d) The amounts due in respect of Rent shall be increased by 3% per annum, such increases to take effect on the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] and 4[SUP]th[/SUP] anniversaries of the Delivery Date.
    5.4 Supplemental Rent:
    (a) Amount: Lessee will further pay to Lessor Supplemental Rent in relation to each Rental Period (including without limitation the last Rental Period of the Term) in arrears within 10 days after the end of each Rental Period as follows:-
    (i) in respect of the Airframe, $15,500 per month in respect of 4C/6Y maintenance requirements ("Airframe 4C/6Y Check Supplemental Rent"); and $8,000 per month in respect of the 8C/12Y maintenance requirements ("Airframe 8C/12Y Check Supplemental Rent");
    (iii) in respect of each Engine, $175 for each Flight Hour operated by that Engine during that Rental Period ("Engine Supplement Rent") on the basis of a minimum of 250 Flight Hours per month; and
    (iv) in respect of each Engine, $100 for each Cycle operated by that Engine during that Rental Period ("Engine LLP Supplemental Rent") on the basis of a minimum of 208 Flight Cycles per month; and
    (v) in respect of the APU, $65 for each Flight Hour operated by the APU during that Rental Period ("APU Supplemental Rent") on the basis of a minimum of 250 Flight Hours per month; and
    (vi) in respect of the Landing Gear, $5,000 per month ("Landing Gear Supplemental Rent"); and.

    Kama mikataba yenyewe ndio inakuwa hivi bado tutaendelea kuwa maskini..... wakuu bado napitia nitawapasha.
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    Tango73 JF-Expert Member

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    hata kichaa wa miaka 20 hawezi kukubali mkataba huo!