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Mengi VS Rostam: Where is the Government?

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  1. BAK

    BAK JF-Expert Member

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    Serikali iko mifukoni mwa mapapa mafisadis.

    2009-05-05 08:47:00

    Mengi VS Rostam: Where is the Government?

    Prof Mwesiga Baregu: Ant corruption bureau and DCI should tell truth
    Media practitioners on the spotlight for 'fanning' the dispute

    By Beatus Kagashe

    THE CITIZEN

    The Government came under pressure yesterday to act on corruption and embezzlement claims at the centre of a bitter public row between two influential figures.

    In separate interviews yesterday, political leaders and several other people queried why the Government had not acted on allegations of serious criminal offences being made by Igunga MP Rostam Aziz and prominent businessman Reginald Mengi.

    Those who pushed for government intervention included opposition leaders Ibrahim Lipumba of CUF and Augustine Mrema of TLP and University of Dar es Salaam lecturer Prof Mwesiga Baregu.

    The appeal was made as lawyers representing Mr Mengi addressed another press conference in Dar es Salaam to defend the media mogul against corruption and fraud claims made by Mr Aziz on Sunday.

    They threatened to reveal what they said was "evidence" linking the politician and businessman to the controversial Dowans and Richmond power firms.

    But Mr Aziz dismissed the threat as "a mere joke", adding that he would today hand over to the authorities evidence for allegations he had levelled against Mr Mengi.

    Prof Lipumba said the Government should launch thorough investigations into the corruption allegations, adding that not acting on the claims would be counterproductive.

    He said the Government should reveal how much money had been recovered and by whom by the taskforce established to recover funds loaned under the import support scheme that was administered through the National Bank of Commerce (NBC).

    Mr Mrema, on his part, challenged those with evidence of impropriety to take it to the relevant authorities, and welcomed Mr Aziz�s promise to hand over what Mr Aziz said was a "dossier of Mengi�s corrupt practices".

    Prof Baregu, who is a political scientist, said it was high time the Government instituted appropriate investigations into the saga.

    "We have heard very serious allegations about corruption, theft and embezzlement of public funds being made in this wrangle. The Government cannot continue keeping quiet.

    "Indifference will not help, and ordinary Tanzanians, who suffer most as a result of entrenched corruption, may be forced to take the law into their own hands sooner rather than later,"Prof Baregu said.

    The don wondered why state agencies like the Prevention and Combating of Corruption Bureau (PCCB) and the office of the Director of Criminal Investigations (DCI) had not acted in the wake of allegations made by Mr Aziz and Mr Mengi.

    "Somebody has to act now, otherwise it will lead to public confusion and unrest because accusations being traded between the two camps have exposed serious underlying issues."

    Asked if state organs would investigate the Aziz-Mengi saga, DCI Robert Manumba said that was possible if "tangible" evidence was produced. He, however, hastened to add that investigators were not obliged to reveal to journalists what they were working on.

    "We don't carry out our duties by revealing them to the media. I cannot, therefore, tell you if we are investigating them or not," Mr Manumba said.

    PCCB director general Edward Hosea said he could not comment on the telephone when reached for his views.

    The vice-chairman (Tanzania Mainland) of the ruling CCM, Mr
    Pius Msekwa, however, differed with those urging the Government to intervene.

    Mr Msekwa, a former long-serving Speaker of Parliament and current chairman of the Tanzania Centre for Democracy, said the only way out was for the aggrieved parties to go to court.

    He, however, admitted that the mudslinging was getting out of hand, and called for an end to the dispute, warning that it could divide the nation if not handled carefully. He said those involved were out to win public sympathy.

    "Whether or not these allegations are true can only be proven in court. It is not appropriate to demand that the Government jumps in just like that," Mr Msekwa said.

    Many Dar es Salaam residents and businesspeople, including Mr Herman Odemba, Mr Johnson Julius, Mr Mdhamiru Ahmed and Mr Moses Joseph, were also in favour of an intervention to end the saga, but some blamed the media for giving the wrangle prominence at the expense of other important national issues.

    "The State should act to end this circus as this will help to restore the public's trust in the Government and its leaders,"said Mr Odemba, who added that wealthy individuals must not be allowed to hold the country to ransom.

    Information, Culture and Sports deputy minister Joel Bendera and Media Council of Tanzania (MCT) secretary Kajubi Mukajanga accused the media of fanning the dispute.

    Mr Mukajanga took a swipe at editors, saying they were not upholding professional ethics.

    "What editors are doing in this war of words between two media owners is shameful. They just cannot justify what they are doing," he said in a telephone interview.

    Mr Mukajanga said editors were supposed to understand that society came first.

    "I want to make this amply clear�it is not a secret anymore. Looking at the kind of stories we are seeing, it is evident that editors have been bought�they have price tags on their heads," he said.

    He added: "But this will be their undoing. Nobody can blame media owners for what is happening as editors are supposed to advise them accordingly as professionals."

    Speaking in Tanga, Mr Bendera said the Government was concerned about the escalation of personal attacks in the media, and advised journalists to desist from being used to further selfish interests.

    He was speaking during the official opening of the Tanga office of the state-owned Tanzania Standard Newspapers.

    Mr Bendera said the current war of words between wealthy individuals and media moguls had put the information sector and journalism profession on the spot.

    The deputy minister added that the Government would uphold freedom of speech, but warned that it would not tolerate media organs that abused the privilege.

    "Unlimited freedom of speech would lead us to chaos," he cautioned, adding that media organs that were formed specifically to target the privacy of others would be dealt with.

    Additional reporting by Mkinga Mkinga in Dar and George Sembony in Tanga
     
  2. Kapinga

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    Government saizi wapo busy kuwapiga bao vyama vya upinzani kwenye kutoa misaada mbagala!
     
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    Huko si kuwapiga bao, ni wajibu wao kama govt, tangiapo hizo pesa ni za walipa kodi wote bila kujali itikadi ya chama!
     
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    hujaona watu wa serikali walivyotinga jezi za kijani?? kwenye kutoa misaaada??
     
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    Rwabugiri JF-Expert Member

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    Ndugu kwa hapo sina comment, kwani kwa serikali ya mwendo mdundo lolote linawezekana na serikali = Chama Cha Mafisadi, ndo maana imeduwaa kuona lina sanuka!
     
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    Nilipoona tu majibu ya mengi na vielelezo vyake jana nilimkubali kweli kweli. Jamaa alikuwa amejiandaa. He is really clean i can feel.
     
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    The best government is that which governs least-Thomas Paine

    The government is where it should be, observing.Unless laws are broken, any intervention will tantamount to infringement on freedom of speech and other primary constitutional rights.

    We have to shed some of these long standing, and now even self imposed, shackles of an Orwellian society looking for big brother in a self defeating construct.The people of Tanzania need more freedom, more expression, more debates, more exposes than they need the iron fist of a Draconian government.
     
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  8. Nyani Ngabu

    Nyani Ngabu Platinum Member

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    How can the government investigate itself? Mnacheza nyinyi. Hapa hakuna lolote zaidi ya sarakasi na mazingaombwe.

    Halafu malumbano ya hawa wawili sidhani kama yanaihusu serikali. Wao waachwe wapakane kwenye vyombo vya habari na mwishowe wataacha wenyewe.

    Kinachoniogopesha tu ni kwamba malumbano ya hawa watu yana divert attention kabisa kutoka mafisadi nyangumi na papa wengine kama Li Mkapa na lile Li Mbuna, Mi Chenge..Mi Mahalu na mingineyo.

    Upuuzi mtupu unaoendelea hapa.
     
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    Serikali gani unayoiongelea kaka? Tanzania ceased to have a government since December 2005
     
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    Serikali gani unayoiongelea kaka? Tanzania ceased to have a government since December 2005

    Mmmmh r u a pope
     
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    Hivi hakuna mtu anayeogopwa ambaye anaweza kusema acheni upuzi huo. Jamani hawa watu, Mengi na Rostam wanazungumzia ufisadi (wizi) wa mabilioni ya shilingi wakati kuna watanzania wengi kipindi hiki karibu na mavuno (kama yapo) wanaishi kwa kubangaiza na mlo mmoja.

    Mkapa angekuwa sio fisadi angejitokeza na kusema ' acheni hizooo'. lakini wapi? Ni nani atakayeisemea Tanzania , na wanyonge wakamsikiliza?? watanzania wanataka maneno yenye matumaini. Siyo haya jamani ambayo yataishia hivi hivi kama yale mengine...
     
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    Yes indeed!!!!!!!
     
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    BAK JF-Expert Member

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    Kapinga, ni misaada ya kuyoka CCM au imetolewa na mapapa mafisadi kwa CCM ili waanze kununua kura za 2010? Mimi nadhani hayo ni mapesa ya mapapa mafisadi.
     
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    ... But the Governement through its Ministers tried to intevene this saga by saying "oooh Mengi amechemsha ......"
     
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    BAK JF-Expert Member

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    Hmmm! Serikali ya fisadi Mkapa...sijui kama nayo ilikuwa Serikali maana nao walikuwa busy kutufisadi Watanzania kwa kusaini mikataba ya uchimbaji wa dhahabu isiyo na maslahi kwa nchi, kuuza mashirika kwa wageni kwa bei poa bila kuwapa kipaumbele Watanzania, kuuza nyumba za serikali kwa bei za kutupa n.k. Sioni kama ile serikali ya fisadi Mkapa ilikuwa madarakani kwa ajili ya Watanzania.
     
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    Petu Hapa JF-Expert Member

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    but don't forget the kind of the government his referring too:

    "In the representative system, the reason for everything must publicly appear. Every man is a proprietor in government, and considers a necessary part of his business to understand. It concerns his interest, because it affects his property. He examines the cost, and compares it with the advantages; and above all, he does not adopt the slavish custom of following what in other governments are called leaders."
     
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    Petu Hapa JF-Expert Member

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    The role of government is well articulated in Paine work that is to provide and protect life, liberty and property. Nowhere in his writing he claim a government without responsibility. His writings, specifically, The Rights of Man and Common sense, they both critic rulers who enslave human freedom in realizing the capacity of human kind– and so he claim for the government to create conditions to celebrate human potential and allow freedom both in production of wealth and healthful living for the benefit of majority.

    Under that condition the freedom of man must be attained both by knowledge and responsibility – citizens must be aware of citizenship rights and responsibilities – then the government can rule least. The power of the people and practice of freedom is possible if people are knowledgeable about the dealings of their government, and so they can monitor, participate and critique in governing – representative democracy- if we are to name the modality of the government he was referring too.

    In his analysis, our government is yet to acquire the right of being an observer, as it does not fulfill the basic responsibility for its people. The basic question here will be does our government help majority of citizens or use them for its benefit! In conditions where national state issues are characterized with myth and secrecy, the government has failed to provide fair grounds for its citizens, or even health condition for citizens growth, rather it has became parasites or a tool which help few people to suck the wealth of the nation and sometime limit the freedom rights - more specific access to information.
     
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    Game Theory JF-Expert Member

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    Imagine MBOWE ndio rais je hali ingekuwa tofauti?
     
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    Mbowe Rais? You must be kidding me or your imagination is failing you.. give us somebody else ambayo tunaweza kumimagine.. like Yusuph Makamba..
     
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    Kwa sababu Kikwete ameshusha kipimo hadi chini kabisa (zero %), serikali ya Mbowe (au Lipumba) ingekuwa bora zaidi ya iliyopo (1-100%).
     
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