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Membe suspicious of France - Wikeleaks

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  1. Askari Kanzu

    Askari Kanzu JF-Expert Member

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    Membe suspicious of France as well as Libya - A Wikileak document shows

    2nd September 2011

    The whistleblower organisation Wikileaks has now decided to spill all the beans by releasing the full cache of the U.S. diplomatic cables in unredacted form. All cables (around 750) from the US Embassy in Dar-es-Salaam can now be viewed here

    In one of the cables created on 26th January 2010 and marked CONFIDENTIAL Ambassador Alfonso E. Lenhardt notes that "Membe went on to assert that the French have maintained control of security and intelligence matters in their former colonies since independence and are still recruiting and training intelligence officers for those countries. He added that all the recent African coups had occurred in Francophone countries (Note: he included Lusophone Guinea-Bissau. End Note.): "We don't know why but we fear France is responsible." He said SADC might "point a finger" at France during the Summit. (Comment: This is not the first time Membe has spoken ill of the French. See ref b.)

    The cable also notes that Membe was critical to Libya's Qaddafi who wanted a second term as AU Chair with a view to transforming the AU into a continental government.

    The full transcript of the cable is as follows:

    C O N F I D E N T I A L DAR ES SALAAM 000057

    SIPDIS

    AF/E FOR TREADWELL, INR FOR EHRENREICH

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/25/2020
    TAGS: PREL TZ SO LY FR MA
    SUBJECT: FM MEMBE ON AU SUMMIT (LIBYA, FRANCE, AND SOMALIA)

    REF: A. 2009 DAR ES SALAAM 96
    ¶B. 2009 DAR ES SALAAM 301
    ¶C. 2009 DAR ES SALAAM 869
    ¶D. 2009 DAR ES SALAAM 516

    Classified By: Ambassador Alfonso E. Lenhardt for reasons 1.4 (b/d)

    ¶1. (C) SUMMARY: Foreign Minister Bernard Membe previewed for Ambassador Lenhardt his expectations of the upcoming African Union Summit January 25. Membe expressed concern about a Libyan move to retain the AU Chair, which Tanzania would oppose. He criticized the French role in Madagascar and elsewhere on the continent and put out a feeler on possible U.S. support for Tanzanian training of Somali troops.
    END SUMMARY.

    ¶2. (C) FM Membe said Tanzania was concerned with Libya's resistance to Malawi assuming the AU Chair. He said Qaddafi wanted a second term to transform the AU into a continental government, with the further aim of giving Qaddafi a UN Security Council seat with veto power. Membe said Tanzania opposed a second term for Qaddafi, which had no justification. He said Libya's fallback plan was to pull out of the AU, along with 21 other countries. Membe added that Qaddafi was pushing for member states to ratify the amendment to the Constitutive Act that would enable the AU Commission to become an Authority. Membe suggested that many had not done so because of Qaddafi's pressure for a continental government.

    ¶3. (C) Membe turned to a discussion of "hot spots," with a particular attention to the negative influence of France. On Madagascar, Membe said he suspected the French were "putting their hands in" to complicate the situation. He said Rajoelina was resisting the appeal to comply with the Chissano recommendations for a transitional government and was insisting on running the transition himself, without a coalition. Membe asserted SADC would retain its sanctions on Madagascar. Membe went on to assert that the French have maintained control of security and intelligence matters in their former colonies since independence and are still recruiting and training intelligence officers for those countries. He added that all the recent African coups had occurred in Francophone countries (Note: he included Lusophone Guinea-Bissau. End Note.): "We don't know why but we fear France is responsible." He said SADC might "point a finger" at France during the Summit. (Comment: This is not the first time Membe has spoken ill of the French. See ref b.)

    ¶4. (C) Membe concluded by touching on Somalia, where he said things were going well. He said he had called the Turkish Foreign Minister to advise letting the "International Contact Group" to conclude its work (ref c). Membe noted the Summit would discuss sanctions on Eritrea and ways to improve security in Somalia, including working with Nigeria, Ghana, Senegal and Malawi to fill AMISOM's gap of six thousand troops. Recalling that Tanzania had offered to train one thousand Somali soldiers in 2008, Membe said Somalia was preparing to send a delegation to Tanzania to discuss the training again. He asked whether the U.S. could provide logistic and financial support for the training, as we had offered in the past. (Comment: When this issue last surfaced seriously in 2007, U.S. support was contingent on the government of Somalia providing a clan-vetted list of officers to be trained, which never materialized. Moreover, the U.S. proposal in 2007 was to support training 250 officers, not 1000. With Tanzania now committed to training Congolese troops for MONUC, the capacity of the Tanzanian Peoples Defense Force to train Somalis as well may be limited. See ref d and prior.)

    LENHARDT
     
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    TANMO JF-Expert Member

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    Dah, thanks wikileaks... Full unafiki wa viongozi wetu unawekwa hadharani!
     
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    FJM JF-Expert Member

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    Sasa yale majigambo ya bendera ya Gadafi na sio NTC yanatoka wapi?
     
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    TUJITEGEMEE JF-Expert Member

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    Angalia mgongano wa habari, Mh. Membe kasema Tanzania haiwatambui" Wahuni wa Bengharz" mara habari zinafukuliwa kutoa Wikileaks kuhusu Mh.Membe.

    Wavurugaji wa Umoja halisi wa Afrika hawatalala mpala wote wanozuia udhalimu wao wanakuwa "heavily disappointed" kwa namna yoyote ile.
     
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    Kakalende JF-Expert Member

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    Sioni lisilo la kawaida katika hii cable; tuseme huu ni unafiki wa Waamerika na wala si viongozi wetu.
     
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    bitimkongwe JF-Expert Member

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    Kwa maoni yangu hawa jamaa huwa wanawauliza wanasiasa weetu masuali ambayo yako very catchy halafu wanakwenda kuripoti vitu vyote hivyo. Sasa sijui kama huwa wanarekodi au ni kwa kumbukumbu zao tu (ambazo naamini kuna uwezekano mkubwa wa kuongezewa chumvi).

    Ila na hawa viongozi wetu huwa wanafikiria wako very safe wakizungumza na hawa big bosses.
     
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    Sooth JF-Expert Member

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    Membe ni mwanausalama, ajabu na yeye hachagui maneno ya kuongea! Yaani anawasemelea wafaransa kwa wamarekani!!!??
     
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    Kichuguu Platinum Member

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    Tanzania ina viongozi wengi sana ambao akili zao ziko vacation.
     
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    FaizaFoxy JF-Expert Member

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    Sasa unafik uko wapi hapo? ukweli mnasema unafik na unafik ndio huwa mnasema ukweli. Mnashangaza sana.
     
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    Kiranga JF-Expert Member

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    Umegundua eeh?

    Nilikuwa nasoma cable nyingine Balozi Mulamula anawaambia staff wa ubalozi wa Marekani hapa jinsi serikali ya Tanzania isivyo na uwezo wa kuhimili mikiki na staffing demands za security council, hivi kweli katika interest ya intelligence mambo ya ndani kama uwezo wa serikali kuweza ku staff UN mission ulitakiwa kuwa disclosed hivyo? Au ndiyo kuomba misaada indirectly?

    Mmy sense is, kuna saikolojia ya kuongea mambo informally ambayo wenzetu wanaijulia, lakini "vipanga" wa MOFA wanashindwa, wana reveal too much hata yale yasiyotakiwa kusemwa kwa ajili ya mambo ya usalama wa taifa na other strategic geopolitical reasons.




     
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    Kiranga JF-Expert Member

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    Waziri wa Mambo ya Nje kwa hili alikuwa sawa kukemea balozi aliyetambulika kwa credentials za serikali ya Gaddafi kupandisha bendera ya serikali ambayo haijatambuliwa na Tanzania.

    Katika hii cable sijaona contradiction yoyote juu ya hili. Kutompenda Ggaddafi hakumaanishi wapinzani wake wowote wapewe free pass.
     
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    YoungCorporate JF-Expert Member

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    duh Ghadaffi alikuwa ana mipango ya muda mrefu kuitafutia AU veto kule UN! Nato wanasababu nyingi kuhakikisha wanamuondoa jamaa madarakani, alikuwa threat kwao from different angles!
     
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