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Malawi sends Tanzanian envoy home; is this the end of the fairy tale for TZ in SADC

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    Kabaridi JF-Expert Member

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    The Malawi Government has given 48 hours to Tanzanian High Commissioner Patrick Tsere to leave the country amid escalating border dispute between the two neighbours.

    According to reports from the Malawian State House, Mr Tsere has been declared persona non grata and has been required to leave the country.

    The development comes barely a week after Malawi asked UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to mediate the decades-long border dispute with Tanzania over Lake Malawi.

    The lake is believed to have oil and gas deposits.

    In the standoff, Tanzania is claiming half of the Lake which is called Lake Nyasa in Tanzania. But Malawi claims the entire water mass, basing on 1890 Anglo-German pact, also known as the Heligoland Treaty.

    The treaty was later reaffirmed by the Organisation of Africa Unity, [now African Union], when the Malawi gained its independence in 1964.

    But Tanzania rejects the colonial era agreements and argues international law including (1982 maritime treaty) supports sharing common water bodies by bordering nations.

    On her return from the UN conference in the US last week, Malawi President Joyce Banda announced that her country had pulled out of talks with Tanzania on the matter, following reports that the latter had launched a new map that shows the border line in the middle of the disputed lake.

    Border row: Malawi sends Tanzanian envoy home - Africa - nation.co.ke
     
  2. Kabaridi

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    wapi diehards wa SADC
     
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    Acheni kuturusha roho hii ilishakanushwa mbona?
     
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    Hizi habari mbona zilishakanushwa au?
     
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    Actually nilitaka maona yake JokaKuu on this matter, sorry I did not elaborate but that seems to be the case. Mama Banda is well excercising her authority.
     
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    Hii iko kwenye Daily Nation sijui kama ni ya kupika au ndiyo habari za sasa hivi. Huyu Mama hachelewi kufanya hivyo kututisha kwani hata akimfukuza tukabaki na sehemu ya ziwa kuna shida gani. kwetu hiyo ni kuvuja kwa pakacha
     
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    lol, wengi walidhani masihara na sasa muziki ndio huu wa kuanza 'kupotezeana' ajira kwa kuwakosesha wafanyakazi wa ubarozi kazi! What is next????
     
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    Still i'm an optimist that there will be no war between us. let the international law take its position.
     
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    [h=1]Malawi journalist arrested over seditious articles online: Justice Mponda[/h]
    Police in Blantyre have arrested journalist Justice Mponda for publishing stories on Malawi Voice online deemed seditious, false and treasonous aimed at fomenting public anger against the Joyce Banda administration, Nyasa Times has established.


    Mponda was picked in the wee hours of Monday by heavily armed police officers in an armored vehicle at his Chiwembe residence in Blantyre.


    He was taken to Blantyre police station for questioning where he is expected to be formally charged.




    Mponda: Arrested
    The sources further said among the top stories the publication carried and are deemed to have compromised national security include, the one alleging that President Banda had resigned, the article forced the Information Minister Moses Kunkuyu to dispel the report in a statement.


    The article stemmed from a fake Facebook account of the President which Mponda is linked to have been using.


    The other one is the latest Malawi-Tanzania border wrangle where the paper alleged that Malawi Government has given 48 hours to Tanzanian High Commissioner Patrick Tsere to leave the country.


    It alleged that the Tanzanian diplomat was declared persona non grata and has been required to leave the country following an interview on a local radio, Zodiak.


    "We have been investigating the issue for sometime and we thought it was time to have the one in charge of the publication in the country explain these things that is why we arrested Mr. Justice Mponda.


    "During the arrest we also confiscated several gadgets like computers and cameras which we believe he has been using to publish the seditious stories," said the senior police officer who was leading the operation but opted for anonymity.


    According to police, he also falsely published that the Chinese Government has withdrawn construction of the 40, 000 seater stadium because Malawi government keeps changing venue. This was proved to be a cooked up story.


    Mponda, 27, becomes the first journalist in Banda's government to face criminal charges.


    There was no immediate comment from Misa-Malawi chapter chairperson Anthony Kasunda while southern region spokesperson Nicholas Gondwa refused to comment on the issue.


    Meanwhile, at the time of posting this story, Mponda's lawyer Chancy Gondwe was fighting for police bail.
     
  11. Who Cares?

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    Guns n roses... An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth..mpaka kieleweke.
     
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    tanzania has been used and abused in SADC, all other countries are supporting Malawi they say Tanzanians are not proper southern africans. this is so sad, i hate to see tanzania being discriminated against :juggle::juggle:
     
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    Tz imejaribu kufunika hii story siku nyingi lakini imekuwa vigumu. naona rais banda ana haki ya kuchimba gesi kwenye ziwa. Poleni wa tanzania, Diplomasia wakati mwingine hufeli.
     
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    Haaaahaaaa! day dreaming.....Tanzania haihitaji vigelegele vya watu ili mambo yao yaweze kwenda. Kenya kama mnasubiri Tanzania ije kuwalilia kwasababu ya kukosa urafiki wa SADC mnapoteza muda. Nyie nendeni Somalia kunawafaa zaidi sio Tanzania.
     
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    Habari za saa hizi Kabaridi, naona umeanza tena mambo yako!!! Nikiangalia timestamp inaonyesha umeandika habari hizi leo past midday i.e around 12:18 - sasa swali: Hivi una latest info kuhusu suala hilo? Malawi ina ubavu gani wa kumpa Barozi wetu siku mbili kuodoka nchini mwao - labda nikuhulize kitu, wewe kama Mkenya kwa nini unaonekana kushabikia habari za kutunga kutoka kwenye MEDIA za kwenu ambazo unikumbusha adithi nilizo soma utotoni kuhusu "SUNGURA NA ZABIBU"

    Mkuu una habari Prof. Ali Mazrui ali-comment nini baada ya Rais Julius K. Nyerere kuhaga dunia? Je, former Navy Pilot wa US ame-disclose nini kuhusu wasi wasi wa Serikali ya Kenya kuhusu TANZANIA baada ya vita kati ya Uganda na TANZANIA!! We usifikili Watanzania hawajuhi chuki za baadhi yenu kuhusu SADC zina stem kutokana na nini. Kwa leo sisemi mengi.
     
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    Kabaridi,

    ..hii habari imekanushwa.

    ..with regards to Malawi, wao siyo waanzilishi wa SADC.

    ..niliwahi kukwambia kwamba SADC ilitokana na FRONTLINE STATES.

    ..wakati wa Frontline states wako pamoja na freedom fighters, Malawi, Kenya, and Zaire[Mobutu], walikuwa upande wa Apartheid South Africa.

    ..sasa hivi Malawi ni members wa SADC lakini hawako-comfortable kuhusu ugomvi huu wa mpaka kuwa-mediated within SADC. Hiyo inatokana na historia yao mbaya huko zamani wakati wa Frontile States.

    ..Kenya, Malawi, and Apartheid South Africa, ndiyo walikuwa suporters wa RENAMO.

    NB:

    ..maoni yangu ni tatizo hili liamuliwe na Internation Court kama walivyofanya Nigeria na Cameroun kuhusu eneo la Bakasi.

    ..kama wa-Tanzania tukishindwa huko, basi turudi AU na SADC tupige magoti kwamba wananchi wetu waruhusiwe kutumia maji ya lake Nyasa kwa shughuli za uvuvi na usafiri.
     
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    Mkuu Bukyanagandi, sijui professa mazrui alitamka nini labda unifahamishe. Watanzania na wamalawi wamekuwa wakizozania ziwa la nyasa, hii si siri na imekuwa kwenye habari muda mrefu. Malawi wanatafuta kuchimba gesi, kwa nini TZ inawapa wakati mgumu kwa kuwadhulumu kidiplomasia? Kenya haina chuki na TZ na hiyo ni hadithi zenu mumetunga wenyewe kutoka jadi. Watanzania miaka hii yote wanaonekana werevu sana. Je! inawezekana mtu kuweza kujinyoa kisogo? Ni vigumu. Hamjui kuna tofauti kubwa kati ya Tanzania na malawi kwenye macho ya jumuiya ya kimataifa. Ninajua TZ ikimaliza kuzunguka na ikishindwa kuendesha shughuli zake mwishoe itarudi tu hapa AM tupange EAC yaani nyumbani.. lol au vipi
     
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    Kuna rais hapa AM alianza hizi siasa za Migingo sijui kama ni yeye alibuni hizi siasa au vipi. IMHO naona Malawi wawachiwe nafasi ya kutafuta gesi kwenye ziwa iliyo katika sehemu ya mpaka wao. JokaKuu it is very unfair kwa malawi kushindwa kuchimba gesi kwao kwa kutumia an 1890 treaty
     
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    The troll has been arrested....:smash:
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    [h=1]Malawi journalist arrested over articles online:[/h]
    Malawi journalist arrested over articles online: Justice Mponda | Malawi news, Malawi - NyasaTimes breaking online news source from Malawi
     
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    i don't see how malawi can lay claim to an entire lake when it lies on a border region, even so tanzania will have a hard time due to some stupid colonial agreements and treaties. just look at the nile treaty where egypt stupidly claimed rights to the whole nile and its sources and declares it will go to war for it. Colonial era deals are usually a mess e.g look at Kenya and south sudan, illemi triangle now that oil has been discovered in the region south sudan wants it. Considering that the Kenyan map has had it from independence.
    I don't know how Tz will deal with the issue but this is going to be a tricky affair, if it comes to war which i doubt it will Malawi will have no chance. i think thats why Banda has been trying to woo the west. recently didn't she just say that she will legalize homosexuality and fight for gay rights including Gay marriages. She seems to do everything she is told like a puppet. If things escalate, i think Tanzania will need to get a big brother from a powerful state to side with them on this issue, like Russia or china who have similar boundary disputes issues. If they don't, diplomatically Malawi will beat you. If the western bastards decide to finish you off they use selective sanctions just look at what they did to Iran and Zimbabwe.

    As for the comments on SADC what do Kenyans care if our brothers from TZ are in SADC or not that is non of our concern. we are also in COMESA and Tz is not each country looks for ties that will suit them
     
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