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Majeshi yetu Comoro: Who is responsible?

Discussion in 'Jamii Intelligence' started by Game Theory, Jul 21, 2007.

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    Game Theory JF-Expert Member

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    Tanzania, Sudan na Libya wako bize kuandaa majeshi yaende Comoro , Lakini mbona hiii mipango kabambe inayofanyika inamaana kuwa ilipitishishwa na nani?na mbona suala hili la kupeleka wanajeshi wetu kule halijazungumzwa/ Halizungumziwi?


    Na mbona hakuna taarifa zozote kuhusu risk analysis juuu ya maeneo ambayo wanajeshi wetu watakuwa iliyofanyika? Je role yetu sisi ni ipi?Kwa nini FOREIGN wametuweka gizani kuhusu hili?

    MOD nao mbona kimya?
     
  2. Alnadaby

    Alnadaby JF-Expert Member

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    Majeshi yetu yamekuwa yakipelekwa nchi mbali mbalibila sisi kuambiwa.Yaliwahi huko nyuma kupelekwa Sychelles na hata juzi juzi Lebanon.Sasa yanapelekwa Comoro kwa mtindo huo huo.
     
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    mengine yako nchini congo wanafanya kazi ya kulinda amani , wengine waliwahi kupelekwa siera lione bila taarifa rasmi kutolewa na hata ukiulizwa si unajua mambo ya wanajeshi ?
     
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    nakhofia wasije pelekwa aghanistan tu maana nato wanataka wapelekwe majeshi wengine tz wakipewa mshiko tu watapelekwa na serekali itakaa kimya hadi pale talaban wawakamate na kuonyesha kwenye tv ndio watasema maana talabani wakiwakamata ndio vichwa vitakua halali yao hilo ndio ninalo khofia mimi
     
  5. Mzee Mwanakijiji

    Mzee Mwanakijiji Platinum Member

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    Hivi mnajua Katiba inasema nini kuhusu majeshi?
     
  6. Kichuguu

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    Nadhani kuna wakati sisi watanzania tunasukumwa tu. Ninajua kuwa miaka ile ya sabini, Nyerere alikuwa akipeleka majeshi kusini mwa Afrika kwa hiari yake. Lakini hii ya kuepeleka majeshi sehemu za mbali zeenye migogoro siku hizi nadhani kwetu haifanyiki kwa hiari. Mwanzoni mwa utawala wake, rais Kikwete aliwahi kusikika akisema kuwa serikali yake haingepeleka majeshi Somalia kwa vile haina uwezo wa kuyagharamia; je sasa hivi uwezo huo unatoka wapi kama siyo kuwa tumepewa shinikizo fulani.
     
  7. Brutus

    Brutus Senior Member

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    Hivi hali ya wanajeshi wetu Lebanon ikoje?
    Maana wahusika wako kimya kama hakuna kinachoendelea vile!
     
  8. Nyani Ngabu

    Nyani Ngabu Platinum Member

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    Crank dat Soulja Boy
    Now do da supaman......
     
  9. Kubwajinga

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    Hivi tukiamka siku moja na kukuta JK kapeleka majeshi Iraq tutasemaje?

    Katiba yetu inaelekea inampa madaraka raisi kufanya atakalo maana kama tulivyoshuhudia majeshi yetu yamepelekwa Comoro bila ya Bunge wala baraza la mawaziri kupitisha uamuzi huo. Angalau baraza la mawaziri waliarifiwa baada ya majeshi kuondoka, na wala sio kuwa walijadili au kupiga kura kupitisha uamuzi huo. Lakini bunge inaelekea halikuwa na maana yeyote kuarifiwa au halikuwa na madaraka yoyote kwenye maamuzi kama haya. Ndio maana JK wala hakujali kuwafahamisha bali alitaka wasikie hizo habari kama wananchi wengine wa kawaida, nafikiri kuna walakini hapa.

    Kwa hiyo, kwa uwezo huu mkubwa alio nao raisi, sio ajabu TZ tungekuwa Iraq kama urafiki wa JK na Bush wa hivi sasa ungekuwa vivo hivyo kwa Mkapa mwaka 2001, japokuwa asilimia kubwa ya waTZ wasingekubaliana na uamuzi huo. Hii ni hatari kubwa kwa nchi hasa huko tunakoelekea, ambapo tunaweza pata raisi kichaa kwa vile tu ana pesa nyingi ya kuhonga au ameangukia katika kundi jema. Mfano mzuri ni Lowassa, mtu asiyeambilika na mwenye maamuzi ya kisifa-sifa angeweza kuwa raisi wa TZ ki urahisi kabisa, na pengine bado anaweza kuwa, kwa vile tu wana mtandao wamejipanga vizuri serikalini na chamani kwa hivi sasa.




     
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    Sir Leem JF-Expert Member

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    Bahati mbaya Rais hajui anwani yako ilikuwa akuite Ikulu akuombe ushauri kuhusu kupeleka majeshi ya Tanzania Comoro!!Nafikiri next akipata address yako atakuita umpe ushauri
     
  11. MwanaHabari

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    sioni tatizo, wacha waende wachangamke kidogo na siyo kukaa tu na kuharibu magari, kucheza golf na kupiga raia. good excercise for them
     
  12. Kubwajinga

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    Ajiunge na JF, after all watu wake si wapo hapa.

    La Muhimu hapa, ni kuwa na taratibu zinazoeleweka za kufikia maamuzi fulani yanayohusu nchi, na sio nchi iendeshwe na mtu mmoja na marafiki zake kama vile ni nyumba yake ndogo.
     
  13. Kasheshe

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    Kubwajinga,

    Bwana unadhani majeshi yanapelekwa!!! system nzima ya jeshi, wizara ya ulinzi, wizara ya mambo ya nje inajadili kwanza... Rais hakurupuki tu!
     
  14. Field Marshall ES

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    Mkuu Kasheshe,

    Heshima mbele na ahsante kwa kuweka ukweli unapotakiwa.
     
  15. Kubwajinga

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    Kasheshe,
    Nafikiri hao uliowataja hawatoshi kuiingiza nchi nzima ya watu millioni 40 vitani. Haya ni maamuzi makubwa sana kufanywa na mtu mmoja hata kama atashauriwa hao uliowataja. After all sidhani kama Membe na Mwinyi wana ujuzi wowote wa mambo ya kijeshi maana hata wao vyeo vyao ni sehemu ya shukhrani za uchaguzi kama FMES alivyotufahamisha. Mwinyi ni MD, Membe ingawa amesoma Intern. Reltn, hajawa na uzoefu wowote wa kuwa full minister let alone kutuingiza vitani.
     
  16. Madela Wa- Madilu

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    Dude!

    Kama huelewi kilicho andikwa si uulize? Au unadhani kuuliza ni ujinga?
     
  17. Madela Wa- Madilu

    Madela Wa- Madilu JF-Expert Member

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    Anaonyesha Ubabe wake naye.

    Juzi tu hapa si katembelewa na Mnene Bush, kuonyesha dunia kwamba siku 4 za ujio wa Bush zimempa nguvu ya uninja naye anajaribu kwenda kuikalia nchi.
    Sijui kwa nini hakuyapeleka Kenya kuzuia kuchinjana?
    Au ndo umamluki wenyewe?
     
  18. Field Marshall ES

    Field Marshall ES JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu naona finally, uananza kuelewa kuwa kama tuna tatizo ni katiba yetu na sio rais,

    Halafu kama ninavyosema mnachanganya sana bongo na majuu, ukweli ni kwamba hata rais wa US anaweza kupeleka majeshi bila ruhusa ya Congress, tatizo litakuja kuwa kwenye kuomba pesa za kuendesha operation,

    viongozi tulionao, kina Mwinyi, na Membe, wanataimiza sharti muhimu sana la uongozi walionao, nalo ni kuwa wabunge waliochaguliwa na wananchi, the rest ni kelele za mlango.
     
  19. Kubwajinga

    Kubwajinga JF-Expert Member

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    FMES,
    Hapa nakubaliana na wewe kuwa katiba yetu haifai. Inabidi tuunde tume huru ya kurekebisha hii katiba. Ila kama raisi wetu ameamua kuifuata hii mbovu mbovu, ina maana na yeye ni mbumbumbu pia.


    No! Hii sio kweli. Kuendesha vita right, kuanzisha vita no!. Congress peke yake.

    Mwinyi hana sifa zozote za kuwa waziri wa ulinzi. Hiki ni kichekesho kinachowezekana TZ peke yake. Membe ninaweza kumpa benefit of the doubt, lakini kwa jinsi tulivyo na watu wazuri kuliko yeye inashangaza kwa nini JK akamchukua yeye. Labda kama ulivyosema, analipa waliomsaidia na si ubora wao.


    Tukumbuke tu kuwa, tuna katiba mbovu na raisi bomu.
     
  20. Pundamilia07

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    Kubwajinga,
    Nimefurahi kuwa umeingia hapa kuchangia hii thread.

    Nadhani umekuwa na mawazo ambayo hayajazama sana katika kufanya uchanbuzi na kuleta hoja zako (sina maana ninadharau hoja zako, ninaziheshimu sana tu) isipokuwa unasahau kuwa kila jambo ambalo linafanyika sasa kama limo ndani ya uwezo wa Rais kikatiba ni halali kabisa kwani huo ndiyo utaratibu na gharama za demokrasia.

    Pili, usisahau kuwa rais kikatiba ndiye mtu wa mwisho kimamlaka juu ya vyombo vya ulinzi na usalama, na hii ni muhimu kwa Rais kupewa uwezo huo, lakini hata hivyo tunapomtaja Rais huwa tuna maanisha Rais kama taasisi na wala hatumwangalii JK usoni. Juu ya kwamba katiba ibadilishwe ili kuepuka kufanywa maamuzi na Rais kichaa, nadhani hiyo haijakaa vizuri labda ufafanue Rais kichaa kwa maana ya ugonjwa? kama ni ugonjwa katiba iko wazi inaelekeza kuwa kama rais incapacitated ni hatua gani za kuchukuliwa.

    Tatu, kuhusu teuzi za mawaziri kushika nyadhifa kwenye wizara, hapo hakuna tatizo kama unavyofikiria wewe, Uwaziri siyo kazi au fani inayosomewa. Kazi kubwa za mawaziri ni kusimamia na kumsaidia Rais katika kuendesha serikali na hii ni political position kama alivyo Rais. Kinachotakiwa ni uwezo wa Waziri anayeteuliwa kuwa na uwezo wa kuongoza na kusimamia yale serikali iliyoko madarakani inataka kuyatimiza.

    Kawaida shughuli za kiutendaji zingine za wizara husimamiwa na viongozi wakuu wa wizara husika (ambao ni wasaidizi wa waziri), baada ya hapo huwa ndiyo kuna timu za wataalam kulingana na mpangilio wa wizara husika.

    Nadhani nimejitahidi kukuelezea ili tufaidike wengi kutokana na hoja zako.
     
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