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Magari ya Toyota hatari?

Discussion in 'Biashara, Uchumi na Ujasiriamali' started by warea, Feb 24, 2010.

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    warea JF-Expert Member

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    mzawahalisi JF-Expert Member

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    Kama nikweli wamekiri wanawasaidiaje wahanga wa ajali hizo, haswa nchi zetu hizi za kusini kwa "Sara"? Maana mbele huko watafungua kesi za madai ya fidia kibao na watalipwa.
    Wenyewe Toyota wana msemo wao "always the Car infront of you is Toyota", na hiyo ni kweli hapa kwetu kwa asilimia 70 ama zaidi. Ingawaje yanayouwa wengi kwa mikupuo kwetu hapa inaongoza Scania.
     
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    RRONDO JF-Expert Member

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    si mpaka wataalam wa-prove ajali yako imesababishwa na ubovu wa gari yao tangu kiwandani sio kwasababu ya poor after sale service and maintanance
     
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    Jasusi JF-Expert Member

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    Magari mengi ya Toyota Bongo ni circa 2005. Magari yenye matatizo ni ya kuanzia 2005-2010 na siyo yote. Camry, Tundra, Lexus na Prius ndiyo haswa yaliyotajwa kuwa na matatizo.
     
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    Lole Gwakisa JF-Expert Member

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    DONT BE FOOLED!!!
    Hivi mkuu umewahi kujiuliza maswali magumu kidogo juu ya hii hysteria ya ubovu wa magari ya Toyota?
    Facts
    1 Toyota ndio mtengenezaji mkubwa wa magari duniani
    2 Magari ya Toyota yana bei ambayo ni ni reasonable kuliko
    magari ya sehemu nyingine duniani
    3 Viwanda vya magari vya marekani(karibu vyote) vina matatizo
    4 Magari ya Toyota(na mengine ya Kijapani) yameteka soko la magari duniani
    pote

    HII NI VITA YA KIBIASHARA, ambayo imetokea Marekani baada ya viwanda vyao kukumbwa na matatizo makubwa ya kibiashara.
    Hata hapa Tanzania fanya utafiti wa dakika 10 tu.Simama barabarani na hesabu magari yote yanayopita!!
    Si ajabu utafiti wako utaonyesha kuwa kati ya magari 10, manne ni ya Toyota(aina yoyote), na si ajabu usilione gari hata moja la Kimarekani!!!!!!
     
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    Original Pastor JF-Expert Member

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    sasa tufanyaje? katika hi darkness
     
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    RRONDO JF-Expert Member

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    mchungaji,kwani gari yako iko kwenye list ya magari yaliyokuwa recalled?kama jibu ni ndio waone toyota tz.
     
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    Mtazamaji JF-Expert Member

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    Nina wasi wasi labda ni serikali tu inayonunua magari mapya ndio ingeweza kufaidika na hli sula . kama wapo watanzania ni wachache sana. Hiyo mileage ya gari zetu tu.

    Na zaidi ya hapo Hybrid ya TOYOTA zenye matatizo sidhani kama zipo tanzania

    Kama ni fidia huku tanzania ilisharudishwa na inarudishwa kwa mgongo wa misaada kama Konoike, JICA .
     
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    Kimweri JF-Expert Member

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    ndipo walipojikwaa toyota!kukimbizana na GM kutengeneza magari kama baiskeli wakati wao GM wana brands lukuki,they eventually became the first manufacturers,BUT at what costs?!QUALITY.
    TOYOTA quality has came down significantly from it's 1990-2002 peak.Power is a very bad thing,after they had GM sights they were blind to many things just to get that elusive title,BIGGEST car manufacturers.now it's payback time.

    The original toyota's were all made by Japanese suppliers(who are well known for their craftsmanship,BUT after 1990's Toyota began an insane push to globalize it's supply chain.now you have a toyota car with parts made all over the world!
    and what most people do not know is that most ASEAN,AFRICA Toyota's are assembled by OEM factories in China.
    si kweli kuwa magari ya Toyota yote ni bei rahisi,Toyota's are consumer cars,so their prices are to be expected in that level.Kuna kitu muhimu katika uutofauti wa Toyota(japanesse) car makers na US-EU car makers.Japanese car makers wana temporary replacable parts nyingi,that means servicing charges zake ni kubwa/ghali.Most japanese cars needs replacing timing belts etc after X Miles,something US carmakers don't have.ofcourse iif you have a well built car this will be invisible costwise,but if you have a lemon,oh dear..,service kila siku.fundi gereji wako lazima awe kwenye fast dial yako.
    kwa hiyo Toyota's are cheap upfroant but expensive if you consider total cost of ownership,especially compare to EUROPEAN cars.be educated do not generalize.

    We all know what went wrong in US,Wall street tried to run everything with their poor practices and everlasting bonuses.
    viwanda kama viwanda are very good and extremely high tech,tatizo cost ya gari inakuwa distributed from marketing to cost of labor,salaries bonuses etc.sasa hapo Japanese ndio wanapowashinda kina US.
    You are very wrong,Toyota is good but they are not dominating everywhere, in China(1st car consumers in the world). Toyota is lagging behind EUROPEAN makers VW and Ford,GM and Chinese car local makers.their image is not as bright as that of other Japanese makers(Mazda & Nissan).

    in South east Asia Mitsubishi has a far better image and image than most Japanese markets,

    In Europe we all know,damn EUROS only buy theirs,it's all about Fiat,BMW,Mercedes and VW there.

    What Toyota has done was successfully capture the US market(the biggest whistle blowers and extremely dominating Japan and Africa,as well as taking a decent pie somewhere else.with the current market dynamics,who sells well in china gets to be the best. VW are well position(actually they are the leading manufacturers now-after Porsche),they are doing very well in EU and china,i must say a recipe for success in the coming 20 years.
    this can be true,the issue is blown out of proportions BUT TOYOTA played a HUGE part in this.they knew about the issue and they ignored it.i even said something here back in November/december that Toyota is sitting in a bombshell.as usual nobody took notice because Tanzanians are blindly in love with their Toyota's( can't wait till they start buying their 2006-2009 models in used car markets and discovered the cars are a not as good.)
    they are doing pretty good here,reason being they are the only cars we can genuinely afford.EUROPEAN cars are expensive upfront and last forever with no need to see the service guys every other month.
    American are LHD and so are Chinese(thank god tungekuwa jalala,kama walivyofanya kwenye simu and electronics).
    So japanese are the only viable option for most people.And i believe total cars running Tanzania Road are less than 2 milion,that figure does not quite excite any company to come and open up it's market to us,if they can't even sell 10,000 cars monthly!
    Magari ya kimarekani ni LHD sisi tunatumia RHD,ndio sababu kuu huyaoni barabarani,We had Japanese makers by chance not by choice.we used to have more european cars back in the 70's-80's but then we cam eto dicover cheap Toyota's that were just as good for the money.

    here is a little bonus for your eyes..,a picture tells a thousand words they say.
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    Police officers stand alongside brand new vehicles provided by local government to ensure public security over the New Year holidays during a handover ceremony in Taiyuan, Shanxi province.

    Note the cars were purposely allocated for a single celebration!Yankees might be driving big,BUT Chinks are driving volumes.
     
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    Kimweri Chief!
    I do agree with you on some of your points though not all.
    Tanzania as is many other African, poor, nations, have fallen for the TOYOTA brand.
    And we are not the only ones in the world.
    I do agree with your analysis on quality of the TOYOTA product, especially on the foreign manufactured units and its diverse suppliers.
    In actual FACT almost all faulty TOYOTA cars are made in America, ever thought of that?
    I hope you have researched on the recall issue that goes way back.
    In 1968 American Motors recalled many of its units due to a faulty steering system to its vehicles,supposedly that was agood idea.
    But come to think of it, there are also several defects in many American vehicles as well that are on the face of it are very craftly manufactured, but cannot compete on the world stage.
    American cars are big, way too BIG, and above all thirsty road monsters that are mainly ueconomical.
    Thats where the Japanese wonder motors come in.
    These new motors have supposedly succumbed to the wests tastes and they are now paying for it.
    However for we, TOYOTA junkies, buy a used unit at a fair price you will be singing all the way to your office for the next 3 to five years or so , while the spare supply chain, geunine to say the least, lasts.
    I remember Prof Che Mponda and his Ford Mustang in the 1980's, it was a spectacular piece of American marvel that one-it lasted 6 months or so on the Tanzanian soil.
    My uncle drives a 1975 TOYOTA STOUT,and he is fretting on this Toyota hoolabaloo and is bemused by all the negative criticism.
     
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    eddy JF-Expert Member

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    Jamani kuna haya magari maarufu kama Shangingi, mazuri kwa kutizama lakini kama kuna mtu atakubaliana nami kuwa unapokuwa katika spidi zaidi ya 100 ukifunga break ghafla linayumba sana tofauti na magari kama nissan na Benz ML300. Ndo maaana viongozi wetu wengi wamepata ajali na haya magari mfano mudhihiri, prof.kapuya etc

    Pia magari haya yanapokuwa zaidi ya 140kph yanatabia ya hyprolic system kuwa loose na usukani huwa mwepesi mno hivyo nirahisi kwa dereva kupoteza mwelekeo. Hii nitofauti na Landcruiser hardtop au Benz L300 ambayo yanapokuwa katika mwendo kasi hutulia zaidi barabarani.
     
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    Lole Gwakisa JF-Expert Member

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    Wakuu masuala haya bado ni katika ushindani wa kibiashara, ingawaje ni vyema kuchukua tahadhari!!!!

    This is for your better judgement!!




    Toyota's current snowballing recall crisis is certainly massive, but not unprecedented. In fact, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the current Toyota unintended sudden acceleration recall, at 4.3 million vehicles, ranks only sixth on its list of top 10 recalls of all time. Ford's[​IMG] 1996 recall of 7.9 million vehicles built between 1988 and 1993 for a faulty ignition module remains the largest. But that mega-size recall didn't keep Ford from reporting $4.4 billion in profits during 1996 or a then-record $6.9 billion in profits during 1997.

    It's not size that makes a recall bad, it's the damage it does to the reputation of a company's products. That's why the Toyota news is so stunning, and why the most notorious recalls in history aren't necessarily the biggest.

    This is, of course, subjective. But here is PM's list of the five most notorious vehicle recalls in history.

    1991 to 2001 Ford ExplorerYear of Recall: 2001[​IMG] Ford Explorer

    Back in the 1990s Ford was an earnings powerhouse and no single vehicle was more responsible for that financial performance than the family-friendly Explorer SUV. Engineered using components from the Ranger compact truck, the original Explorer was inexpensive for the company to build and sold in huge numbers. It was easily the best-selling SUV in America through most of the decade.

    The Explorer, however, earned a reputation for being, well, tipsy. Carrying much of its weight up high, it wasn't as stable as the lower-slung car-based station wagons it essentially replaced. In an emergency-handling situation, that meant that the Explorer didn't behave like a station wagon either-it sometimes rolled over. And unfortunately, the Firestone tires with which many Explorers were originally equipped had tread separation problems, and that meant that emergency-handling situations occurred too often.

    According to The Wall Street Journal in 2001, more than 200 deaths were at that time attributable to the Firestone and Explorer combination. That year, the Explorers were recalled for a tire change.

    Even though the Explorer was completely redesigned for the 2002 model year, it couldn't hold its sales dominance. And during last year's "Cash for Clunkers" program, the Department of Transportation reported that six of the top 10 vehicles turned in as clunkers were various model years of the first-generation Ford Explorer.

    [​IMG]5 Most Notorious Recalls of All Time


    1. 1991 to 2001 Ford Explorer [​IMG]
    2. 1971 to 1976 Ford Pinto and Mercury Bobcat [​IMG]
    3. 1980 to 1982 General Motors X-Cars [​IMG]
    4. 1978 to 1983 Audi 5000 [​IMG]
    5. 1976 Dodge Aspen and Plymouth Volare



    Biashara zaidi!!!

    Target Toyota: Why the Recall Backlash Is Overblown

    By James B. Meigs, Editor-in-Chief, Popular Mechanics
    Published on: February 9, 2010

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    Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood testifies during the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Transportation, Housing and Urban Development (Photo by Scott J. Ferrell/Getty Images)

    To judge by press accounts and statements from government officials, those innocuous-looking Toyota[​IMG] sedans and SUVs in millions of American driveways are somehow kin to the homicidal '58 Plymouth Fury in the Stephen King novel "Christine"-haunted by technological poltergeists and prone to fits of mechanical mayhem. In the midst of three major recalls, Toyota has been hammered by daily newspaper and TV pieces suggesting it has been slow to address safety problems. U.S. transportation secretary Ray LaHood announced that anyone who owns one of the recalled vehicles should "stop driving it." (He quickly backpedaled on that pronouncement, but warned, "We're not finished with Toyota.") Displaying a previously undisclosed concern for the safety of American owners of foreign-badged automobiles, the UAW quickly piled on. And now, Toyota's North American president Yoshi Inaba must submit to ritual humiliation at the hands of the U.S. Congress in a hearing on Wednesday.
     
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