Lugha Rasmi Bungeni: Wabunge watumie Kiswahili au Kiingereza

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Leo Bunge Linachagua watu watakaoliwakilisha Bunge katika Pan African Parliament, Kulikua na mvutano mkubwa kuhusu kanuni ya uchaguzi na lugha itakayotumika katika kujieleza na kuomba kura, hatimaye ikaonekana kanuni inalazimisha mgombea kutumia kingereza katika kujieleza, kujibu maswali na kuomba kura.


Wengi wameenda poa ingawa kulikua kuna kujikanyagakanyaga kidogo kwa baadhi ya wabunge lakini LUHAGA MPINA ye aliharibu kabisa - AIBU!

Kila mtu alikua anaulizwa maswali matatu, swali moja aliulizwa
Swali:What is your personal opinion on issues happening in Ivory cost, and if elected, as a member of PAN what will you do to stop what have happened in IC to repeat in another African country?
Jibu:Watara is president

jamaa akapigwa swali tena
Swali:UN council voted for resolution 1973 calling for no flying zone, do you think the no flying zone was correctly executed?
Jibu: I don't understand, did you repeat? (hapa alitaka kusema can you repeat plz?)

hapa spika akaomba swali lirudiwe na liliporudiwa mambo yakawa hivi
Jibu:I don't understand may be because you are not 'STLET' hapa alikusudia kusema 'straight' but if you ask me about Libya I say what foreign countries is doing is not fairly at all

Jamani Bunge tamu!
 
Lakini kwanini wawalazimishe lugha wasiyo ijua?
Hukuni kuwaumbua wabunge wetu na nikuengua watu kiaina ktk kinyang`anyilo
 
Uswe said:
Leo Bunge Linachagua watu watakaoliwakilisha Bunge katika Pan African Parliament, Kulikua na mvutano mkubwa kuhusu kanuni ya uchaguzi na lugha itakayotumika katika kujieleza na kuomba kura, hatimaye ikaonekana kanuni inalazimisha mgombea kutumia kingereza katika kujieleza, kujibu maswali na kuomba kura.


Wengi wameenda poa ingawa kulikua kuna kujikanyagakanyaga kidogo kwa baadhi ya wabunge lakini LUHAGA MPINA ye aliharibu kabisa - AIBU!

Kila mtu alikua anaulizwa maswali matatu, swali moja aliulizwa
Swali:What is your personal opinion on issues happening in Ivory cost, and if elected, as a member of PAN what will you do to stop what have happened in IC to repeat in another African country?
Jibu:Watara is president

jamaa akapigwa swali tena
Swali:UN council voted for resolution 1973 calling for no flying zone, do you think the no flying zone was correctly executed?
Jibu: I don't understand, did you repeat? (hapa alitaka kusema can you repeat plz?)

hapa spika akaomba swali lirudiwe na liliporudiwa mambo yakawa hivi
Jibu:I don't understand may be because you are not 'STLET' hapa alikusudia kusema 'straight' but if you ask me about Libya I say what foreign countries is doing is not fairly at all

Jamani Bunge tamu!
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Huyo mbunge ni muingereza?........ Jibu ni la .....

Bunge alilokuwa anaongea ni la uingereza......Jibu ni la.....

Kama ni hivyo basi.....AIBU NI YA KITU GANI........
HUO NI UKOLONI WA AKILI......MBONA WENYEWE WAINGEREZA HAWAJUI KISWAHILI NA WALA THEY DONT FEEL SORRY......

KUMBE MWALIMU NYERERE ALISEMA KWELI........ALIPOSEMA KUJUA LUGHA YA BWANA MKUBWA NI FAHARI........
ONA SASA YANAYO TOKEA...........

KUHUSU BUNGE LA PAN AFRIKA INABIDI KISWAHILI KITUMIKE PIA.....
 
Uswe said:
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Kila mtu alikua anaulizwa maswali matatu, swali moja aliulizwa
Swali:What is your personal opinion on issues happening in Ivory cost, and if elected, as a member of PAN what will you do to stop what have happened in IC to repeat in another African country?
Jibu:Watara is president

jamaa akapigwa swali tena
Swali:UN council voted for resolution 1973 calling for no flying zone, do you think the no flying zone was correctly executed?
Jibu: I don't understand, did you repeat? (hapa alitaka kusema can you repeat plz?)

hapa spika akaomba swali lirudiwe na liliporudiwa mambo yakawa hivi
Jibu:I don't understand may be because you are not 'STLET' hapa alikusudia kusema 'straight' but if you ask me about Libya I say what foreign countries is doing is not fairly at all

Jamani Bunge tamu!
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Kama ni kweli na si utani....lmao!

eliakeem said:
Huyo mbunge ni muingereza?........ Jibu ni la .....

Bunge alilokuwa anaongea ni la uingereza......Jibu ni la.....

Kama ni hivyo basi.....AIBU NI YA KITU GANI........
HUO NI UKOLONI WA AKILI......MBONA WENYEWE WAINGEREZA HAWAJUI KISWAHILI NA WALA THEY DONT FEEL SORRY......
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Angekosea lugha na kupatia jibu angekuwa excused, lakini kukosea lugha na jibu inaonyesha ni kiasi gai yuko out of touch na current international affairs.
 
eliakeem said:
Huyo mbunge ni muingereza?........ Jibu ni la .....

Bunge alilokuwa anaongea ni la uingereza......Jibu ni la.....

Kama ni hivyo basi.....AIBU NI YA KITU GANI........
HUO NI UKOLONI WA AKILI......MBONA WENYEWE WAINGEREZA HAWAJUI KISWAHILI NA WALA THEY DONT FEEL SORRY......

KUMBE MWALIMU NYERERE ALISEMA KWELI........ALIPOSEMA KUJUA LUGHA YA BWANA MKUBWA NI FAHARI........
ONA SASA YANAYO TOKEA...........

KUHUSU BUNGE LA PAN AFRIKA INABIDI KISWAHILI KITUMIKE PIA.....
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Kaka huyu mtu anagombea kutuwakilisha kwenye bunge la pan africa!na huko lugha ni english na si kiswahili,kma hawezi kuwasiliana kwa hiyo lugha kwann agombee kwenda huko kma si kutaka pesa tu,kama hajui lugha akae hapo dodoma tu! Kuna watakao sema kuna wakalimani me nasema kwann tumchague mtu anayehitaji mkalimani wakati kuna wanaoweza lugha kwa ufasaha bila wakalimani?TZ hopeless kbs
 
NATA said:
Lakini kwanini wawalazimishe lugha wasiyo ijua?
Hukuni kuwaumbua wabunge wetu na nikuengua watu kiaina ktk kinyang`anyilo
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Mkuu ni bora kuumbuliwa akiwa nyumbani kuliko kuumbuliwa akiwa PAN African na kuitukanisha nchi kuwa hawa ndiyo best tulioona wakatuwakilishe. Ni muda mrefu sana watu wamekuwa wakiingia katika kugombania nafasi ambazo hawana uwezo wa kuzitumikia bali wao focus yao ni hela tu. Kwenye hili ninaunga mkono kabisa kufanya yaliyofanyika ili liwe funzo kuwa kama sehemu mtu huna utaalam nayo si lazima uwepo hata kama wewe utapendelewa kuwepo.
 
eliakeem said:
Huyo mbunge ni muingereza?........ Jibu ni la .....

Bunge alilokuwa anaongea ni la uingereza......Jibu ni la.....

Kama ni hivyo basi.....AIBU NI YA KITU GANI........
HUO NI UKOLONI WA AKILI......MBONA WENYEWE WAINGEREZA HAWAJUI KISWAHILI NA WALA THEY DONT FEEL SORRY......

KUMBE MWALIMU NYERERE ALISEMA KWELI........ALIPOSEMA KUJUA LUGHA YA BWANA MKUBWA NI FAHARI........
ONA SASA YANAYO TOKEA...........

KUHUSU BUNGE LA PAN AFRIKA INABIDI KISWAHILI KITUMIKE PIA.....
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Kwa Taarifa:
Kiswahili ni Moja kati ya Lugha Rasmi katika PAP (Pan African Parliament)

Wabunge wanalijua hilo, na kabla uchaguzi haujaanza kulikua na mvutano wa Lugha gani itumike katika huo mchakato wao wa uchaguzi na hoja ya kwamba Kiswahili ni moja kati ya lugha rasmi ilitolewa.

Lakini kanuni za bunge zimesema categorically kwamba kingereza ndio lugha itakayotuma katika mchakato wa kuchagua wawakilishi wa kwenda PAP, pia katika bunge la afica kuna formal na informal discussions, hamna shida katika formal discussions kwani itatolewa tafsiri kwa lugha zote rasmi lakini baada ya hapo, according to waliokuwa wakitetea kwamba kitumike kingereza (akiwemo Membe), mtu kama hajui kingereza ataachwa nyuma, atashindwa kushirikiana na kujadiliana vizuri na wenzake

Mwisho,
Si unajua Miswada yetu yote inaendaga bungeni ikiwa haijaandikwa kiswahili, hata ule mswada wa mwisho ule ulozua makelele sana si unajua ulikuwa umeandikwa kwa lugha gani? sasa mtu kama Luhaga atachangiaje katika mswada ule? tena mswada wenyewe ulipelekwa kwa vote of urgency!
 
eliakeem said:
Huyo mbunge ni muingereza?........ Jibu ni la .....

Bunge alilokuwa anaongea ni la uingereza......Jibu ni la.....

Kama ni hivyo basi.....AIBU NI YA KITU GANI........
HUO NI UKOLONI WA AKILI......MBONA WENYEWE WAINGEREZA HAWAJUI KISWAHILI NA WALA THEY DONT FEEL SORRY......

KUMBE MWALIMU NYERERE ALISEMA KWELI........ALIPOSEMA KUJUA LUGHA YA BWANA MKUBWA NI FAHARI........
ONA SASA YANAYO TOKEA...........

KUHUSU BUNGE LA PAN AFRIKA INABIDI KISWAHILI KITUMIKE PIA.....
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Kanuni za bunge zinataka kutumia kiingereza kama unagombea ....
yeye kama anajua hiyo kanuni na ajua kiingereza hakipandi asinge gombea na kujipatia hiyo aibu!!! LOL
Kaazi kweli kweli
 
eliakeem said:
Huyo mbunge ni muingereza?........ Jibu ni la .....

Bunge alilokuwa anaongea ni la uingereza......Jibu ni la.....

Kama ni hivyo basi.....AIBU NI YA KITU GANI........
HUO NI UKOLONI WA AKILI......MBONA WENYEWE WAINGEREZA HAWAJUI KISWAHILI NA WALA THEY DONT FEEL SORRY......

KUMBE MWALIMU NYERERE ALISEMA KWELI........ALIPOSEMA KUJUA LUGHA YA BWANA MKUBWA NI FAHARI........
ONA SASA YANAYO TOKEA...........





KUHUSU BUNGE LA PAN AFRIKA INABIDI KISWAHILI KITUMIKE PIA.....
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Ndugu hukufatilia bunge, kunakifungu kilisomwa kinacholazimisha mgombea kujieleza kwa kiingereza kwa sababu , anapotarajia kuwakilisha nchi mambo yanaendeshwa kwa ligha hiyo, mi naona sawa tu angalau wajulikane hapahapa kama ni tuition waanze mapema
 
kwanini mtu akubali kujibu swali kama hajui anachoulizwa? huku ndio kujidhalilisha kabisa!
 
Madcheda said:
Kaka huyu mtu anagombea kutuwakilisha kwenye bunge la pan africa!na huko lugha ni english na si kiswahili,kma hawezi kuwasiliana kwa hiyo lugha kwann agombee kwenda huko kma si kutaka pesa tu,kama hajui lugha akae hapo dodoma tu! Kuna watakao sema kuna wakalimani me nasema kwann tumchague mtu anayehitaji mkalimani wakati kuna wanaoweza lugha kwa ufasaha bila wakalimani?TZ hopeless kbs
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Inawezekana kuna point, lakini kuna wakalimani ambao kazi yao ni kuondoa kikwazo cha lugha, na uwakilishi hautakiwi kuwekewa vikwazo vya lugha. Kinachotakiwa ni uwezo wa uwakilishi. Ukiangalia bungei kwetu kuna wabunge wengine kazi yao ni kuhudhuria tu na si kuwakilisha. So what matters most ni uwezo wa uwakilishi na kuondoa vikwazo vya lugha. Si kuongea kiingereza.

It is absolutely stupid to think that inability to express in English is a tragedy and shame, unless you there is something wrong in your head. We have so many people in Tanzania who are very fluent in English and speak like someone in oxford, but what they utter is absolutely crap. Kuna vijana wa clouds walikuwa wanaongea vizuri sana kiingereza lakini walikwenda chuo Kikuu mlimani wali-disco uwezo wao ulikuwa kuongea kiingereza tu, lakini kichwani hakuna kitu.We have plenty people who can not even express themselves well in Kiswahili, but they are are full of intellect and wisdom, hata ukisikiliza sentensi moja tu wanaongea utajua kuwa ni mtu mwenye akili timamu anaongea.

Try to listen Medvedev speak English or Hugo Chavez for that matter, unaweza kuona hata huyo mbunge yuko better. I may be wrong, lakini sioni kama kujua au kutojua kiingereza ni aibu.
 
na wewe bwana haya umeyatoa wapi mbona jammaa anamwaga kingereza safi tu ila kwa rafuzi ya kinyantuzu?
ila ujue mayai magumu bwana!
 
Jamani mimi Maimuna!! Wako wengi hao. Uganda lazima Mbunge awe amemaliza Form Six or equivalent.
 
eliakeem said:
Huyo mbunge ni muingereza?........ Jibu ni la .....

Bunge alilokuwa anaongea ni la uingereza......Jibu ni la.....

Kama ni hivyo basi.....AIBU NI YA KITU GANI........
HUO NI UKOLONI WA AKILI......MBONA WENYEWE WAINGEREZA HAWAJUI KISWAHILI NA WALA THEY DONT FEEL SORRY......

KUMBE MWALIMU NYERERE ALISEMA KWELI........ALIPOSEMA KUJUA LUGHA YA BWANA MKUBWA NI FAHARI........
ONA SASA YANAYO TOKEA...........

KUHUSU BUNGE LA PAN AFRIKA INABIDI KISWAHILI KITUMIKE PIA.....
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Tuache haya mawazo mgando.. huyu jamaa anaomba kwenda kutuwakilisha kwenye PAN huko wanatumia kiingereza sio kiswahili sasa ataelewa vipi kinachojadiliwa humo na atatoaje utetezi wetu sisi watanzania tuliomtuma kama lugha haipandi??? Mbali ya kuwa kanuni za bunge kuhusu uchaguzi wa kwenda huko kutamka kuwa watumie hiyo lugha!!:disapointed:
 
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