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Kudos: Kikwete gets it right in Cote d'Ivoire - Straight to the Jugular!

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    Source Côte d'Ivoire | Côte d'Ivoire : combats de rue à Abidjan pour l'arrivée du panel de l'UA

    It is in a very tense atmosphere that four panelists AU - Blaise Compaore of Burkina Faso without - arrived in Abidjan, where violent clashes took place between supporters of Alassane Ouattara and forces loyal to Laurent Gbagbo. The Heads of State started their visit by meeting with the president.

    The defection of Burkinabe President Blaise Compaore for "security reasons" did not prevent the arrival of his counterparts in Abidjan panel of African Union (AU), Monday, February 21 at noon. But the presidents Mohamed Ould Abdelaziz (Mauritania), Jacob Zuma (South Africa), Idriss Deby (Chad) and Jikaya Kikwete (Tanzania) arose in the Ivorian economic capital in the context of street fighting with heavy weapons between security forces loyal to Laurent Gbagbo and supporters of his rival Alassane Ouattara.

    Monday, several districts of Abidjan has been the scene of violent clashes, leaving at least one dead in Treichville (south). The heaviest fighting took place in the town of Kumasi, south of Abidjan, where rocket fire were heard. A building was burned in the same neighborhood. The stay of four African president may therefore not be easy.

    Ouattara met the conditions

    The day before the arrival of the panel members had already been seriously compromised by new demands for Gbagbo and Ouattara. If at the last minute, Blaise Compaore had to give up coming because of hostile demonstrations against him organized by the "patriots" of the outgoing president, the condition imposed by the camp Ouattara has been satisfied. He refused the chiefs of state are received by members of the Gbagbo government. Thus, the four panel members were received by Ambrose Nyonsaba, the AU representative in Côte d'Ivoire.

    What remains to be seen on "restrictive measures" the panel members will be able to agree. Sunday in Nouakchott, they had met for six hours to find a draft solution to the Ivorian crisis, post election. At the outset, the South Africans have suggested setting aside of Laurent Gbagbo and his rival Alassane Ouattara in favor of Prime Minister of the latter, Guillaume Soro, to ensure a transition leading to new elections. A proposal was immediately rejected by the other panelists on the grounds that Soro, former rebel not yet repented, would be a bad example for the promotion of democracy.

    Dangerous Mission

    Tanzania's Kikwete has meanwhile recommended the initiation of proceedings with international judicial bodies against members of the Constitutional Council, which are considered the cause of the political stalemate in Côte d'Ivoire. Proposal was also rejected.

    The panel's mission in Abidjan is dangerous insofar as the various mediations conducted so far have failed. For the latest news, African diplomatic sources said, the panel members would be able to agree on a consensus position. The AU mandate gives them until 28 February to present "solutions binding" on the various options for ending the crisis.
     
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    JK ametoa kauli ya kioga na kuuma uuma maneno alitakiwa kusema Constitutional Council ilipewa amri na Ghabo hivyo iawajibike pia Ghabo nae aondoke madarakani haraka, hivyo nidiyo iwe binding solution ya kamati yao
     
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    Nakubaliana na wewe! lakini kati ya maraisi 5 walioteuliwa na AU ni yeye pekeye alitoa kauli nzito na ya maana. Mpaka leo Jacob Zuma hata shida ya Ivory Coast hajaielewa, bado anajikuna kichwa na kujiuiliza "huku nitapata dili gani?"
     
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    Kuna cha kusifia hapa? Hapana
     
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    Hata mie nashangaa, embu arudi haraka huku aje atupe majibu ya kueleweka kuhusu mabomu ya goms!
     
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    Ni kweli amejitahidi lakini mimi nilitegemea ateme cheche badala ya ku-beep tu.
     
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    Sisi tunataka KJ ATUPATIE suluhisho la yafuatayo:
    1. kumaliza mgawo wa umeme
    2. kuondosha DOWANS
    3. KUONDOSHA KAMBI ZA KIJESHI MAENEO YA RAIA NA KUWALIPA WAHANGA WOTE WA MABOMU YA GOMS NA MBAGALA
    5. KUMSIMAMISHA KAZI WAZIRI MWINYI NA MWAMUNYANGE
    6.KUPUNGUZA MFUMUKO WA BEI ZA BIDHAA.
    7. KUMSIMAMISHA KAZI GAVANA NDULU KWA KUINGIZA NOTI ZA BATIKI
    8.KUMKAMATA R.A NA KUMFIKISHA MAHAKAMANI KWA MIKATABA FEKI YA RICHMOND NA DOWANS
    9. KUONDOSHA POSHO MBILIMBILI ZA WABUNGE
    10. YEYE MWENYEWE KUJIUZULU KWA KUWA HAKUSHINDA KIHALALI
     
  8. Baba Sangara

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    Kama unashida naye nyumbani sawa. Lakini kwenye big stage kajionyesha kama raisi wa busara. Si tuko kwenye international forum au?
     
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    si meshawashiwa Dowans, au mnataka DOWANS nyingine?
    JK AKIWEPO ASIWEPO HAKUNA TOFAUTI YEYOTE ILE.
     
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    Kwanini Mkwere anataka tume ya uchaguzi ya Ivory Coast ishitakiwe lakini hapa nyumbani anaendelea kuwalinda akina Lewis Makame na wenzake...?
     
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    Sio tume la Ucchaguzi, alishauri Mahakama ya katiba ipelekwe the Hague kwa shtaka la "treason". Na kweli, Mahakama hio ndio imesababisha shida zote huku. Mahakama ya katiba ilivunja sheria zake na kutunga mpya pale pale na live kwenye TV
     
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    PHP:
    Tanzania's Kikwete has meanwhile recommended the initiation of proceedings with international judicial bodies against members of the Constitutional Council, which are considered the cause of the political stalemate in Côte d'IvoireProposal was also rejected
     
    This is sadly a false start for JK..........................there was no way he can be an impartial judge by taking sides when he adjudge the constitutional council and not the electoral commission..........be investigated.......................

    An impartial arbitrator always assumes an air of ............you are all innocent until proved guilty.......................and Jk has failed that ultimate test miserably...........................

    La pili JK ameshindwa kuunda sheria hapa nchini ya kuunda jopo la majaji kutoka nje wa kuchunguza jinsi TISS na NEC walivyoshirikiana na kuwadhuklumu wapigakura hapa nchini hadi akatangazwa kuwa Raisi......................................

    Well charity should begin at home........................and on evidence alone it is passim that JK has not gore any jugular but his own..............................
     
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    The day before the arrival of the panel members had already been seriously compromised by new demands for Gbagbo and Ouattara. If at the last minuteBlaise Compaore had to give up coming because of hostile demonstrations against him organized by the "patriots" of the outgoing presidentthe condition imposed by the camp Ouattara has been satisfiedHe refused the chiefs of state are received by members of the Gbagbo governmentThusthe four panel members were received by Ambrose Nyonsabathe AU representative in Côte d'Ivoire.
    Ukiona raia wanaandamana jiulize ............how credible is the AU in the first place................................where is the AU standing on the uprising happening in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya and Morocco?

    Is Au for the justice of the people or busier saving its own interests?????????????????
     
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    a previous comment of mine in some forum for you

    "If you put together the total results of the Elections, including the valid and invalid votes, you have 47% of the voters voting for Gbagbo"
    -There you go, Gbagbo lost with with the world watching. I am glad you noticed. The Counting of "invalid votes" is a new phenomena.. Everyone knows the votes that were rendered "invalid" were those of Allasane Ouattara. Even with vote stuffing, violence, intimidation, control of state media, diversion of public funds, imposition of curfews on election night, recruitment of mercenaries to intimidate the opposition and outright thuggish conduct throughout, Gbagbo could only Garner 46% of the vote.

    There were as many observers up in the North as in the south of the country relative to the population. The number of registered voters which all parties agreed to can be found here, Abidjan .net | Elections prsidentielles 2010 . Also recall, Gbagbo sent 4,500 of his "loyal" troops up to the North to oversee the elections and they reported back that all went without incident.

    Let me also remind you that all the complaints that were lodged by Laurent Gbagbo were all taken into consideration by the Electoral Commission. The votes in any areas in question were all cancelled and the result was 54% for Allasane Ouattara and 46% for Gbagbo. It is the same complaints lodged to the electoral committee that were passed on to the kangaroo constitutional council.

    The UN had observers all over the place and so did other institutions such as the EU, Francophone countries, Carter Centre.. etc. The Carter Center went as far as saying " In the north and central parts of the country, tensions were less evident due to the relative homogeneity of the population." For your reference: http://cartercenter.org/resources/pdfs/news/peace_publications/election_reports/cote-divoire-prelim-113010.pdf
    The EU observer mission confirmed that intimidation and violence was nearly exclusively from the ex-president Gbagbo's camp. For your reference again: http://eueom.eu/files/pressreleases/english/executive-summary-25012010_en.pdf . Please read the EU report on the link for explanations as to why the Ivorian constitutional council is a Kangaroo court that breaks the very laws it is supposed to safeguard. The UN, AU ECOWAS and all other bodies are in the right to say that re-counting the votes is a waste of all peoples time. As Raila Odinga pointed out to all, who is going to guarantee that the Kangaroo Constitutional council has not tampered with the Ballot boxes?
     
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    Comment Nyingine...

    There is no difference between what people in Ivory coast believe and what the "international community" thinks. Everyone in Cote d'Ivore that can think a little know very well the Gbagbo lost the elections. What you are referring to as susch are a tiny minority who do not think.

    The UN never refused any investigations into Electoral fraud, they in fact took all complaints lodged by Gbagbo's clan and cancelled the votes in those areas of contention, and that, without a question. The results after all, read ALL, complaints of Gbagbo were considered, was 54% for Allasane Ouattara and 46% for Laurent Gbagbo, simple. The misguided allegations that there were 40% more votes than voters in some places have never been proven, even the constitutional council failed to prove this to this date, 2.02.2011.

    Would you also be as kind as to point us out to the internet sites where UN officials talk of 70% turnout after the vote count was complete? There is no such reference in the internet. If you are talking of the algebra skills of the Constitutional council, please read up on their errors on this site A second look at the second round « Hotel Ivory

    The constitutional council broke the very laws it is supposed to safe-guard and created laws on-the-fly live on national TV. Article 64 of the Ivorian constitution gives the body the right to declare votes given to them by the Electoral commission as valid or invalid. If invalid they have to declare a new election date within 45 day of the invalidation. The travesties of that Kangaroo court can be read in detail in the report issued by the EU election observer mission here http://eueom.eu/files/pressreleases/english/executive-summary-25012010_en.pdf . The constitutional council in every possible way violated the sovereignty of the Ivorian population by disenfranchising them of their right to chose their leader.

    Questioning Allasane Ouattara's nationality now is a sure sign of sore losers. This did not seem an issue prior to elections, it only became an issue after the first round where Gbagbo was not sure of his own popularity. A quick dive into the bag of cheap and dirty tricks gave him the nationality card. The same bag is now giving him the anti-ECOWAS card, anti-UN card, anti-Imperialist card, the anti-world card..what next? the Anti-God card?
     
  17. Ndjabu Da Dude

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    Baba Sangara,

    What's the point of you harping about the merits of Kikwete's proposal, when in fact iwe read that it was "rejected" (according to the news piece you've provided?)
     
  18. Baba Sangara

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    Coach, JK (Like Raila Odinga & ECOWAS ) seem to be some of the few AU leaders on the panel, who actually
    1. Seemed to have studied the problem objectively
    2. Has no personal interests in Cote d'Ivoire
    3. Unlike Zuma knows what went on and knows what is going on in Cote d'Ivoire.

    JK did his homework and should be praised for standing his ground and trying to do the "right thing".
     
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