Kikwete and Kagame saga on Wikipedia

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Paul Kagame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jakaya Kikwete - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[h=2]Controversy about Kikwete's encouragmeent of negotiations between Rwanda and the FDLR[/h] On 26 May 2013, Kikwete said at a meeting of the African Union that if President Joseph Kabila of the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) could negotiate with the March 23 Movement (M23), President Yoweri Museveni of Uganda and President Paul Kagame of Rwanda should be able to negotiate with the Allied Democratic Forces-National Army for the Liberation of Uganda and the Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda (FDLR), respectively. In response, Museveni expressed his willingness to negotiate.[SUP][4][/SUP]
An anonymous person on 31 May then posted on a blog hosted by the Tanzanian Ministry of Information, Youth, Culture and Sports,
Rwanda has a tendency of not taking kindly any form of criticism, from within or without. And its leadership comes across as snobbish and delusional. May be the Western countries' plaudits about its so-called success story have finally got to the heads of Rwandan leaders so much that they think they know it all.[SUP][5][/SUP]
In early June 2013, Tanzania's Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Co-operation, Bernard Membe, said in the Tanzania National Assembly,
Rwanda has issued a statement opposing the advice by President Kikwete that this was the right time to hold peace talks with the country's rebels, most of whom are in DRC forests and against whom the government has unsuccessfully fought for nearly 17 years. President Kikwete will not apologize because his statement was based on facts. ... We and Rwanda are friends. We have nothing to negotiate. But they should know that principally we ought to make peace with enemies and negotiate with our enemies and not friends. We say that President Kagame should admit that the time is now and this is not a new phenomenon because in all the areas where liberation movements are, talks have been made. What we are saying is that President Kagame and [the] Rwandan government should know that it is time for talks with [the] opposition.[SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP]
A week later, Kagame said about Kikwete's statement,
I [initially] kept quiet about this because of the contempt I have for it. I thought it was utter nonsense. Maybe it was due to ignorance but if this is an ideological problem for anyone to be thinking this way, then it better stay with those who have it.[SUP][7][/SUP]
Kikwete's encouragement of negotiations between Rwanda and the FDLR has been interpreted as showing support for perpetrators of genocide. The organization known as the "19th Commemoration of the Genocide against Tutsi in Rwanda in the U.S.A." wrote an open letter on 27 May 2013 to President Barack Obama requesting that Kikwete withdraw his comments and apologize.[SUP][8][/SUP]

Bado najiuliza kweli Kagame alisema hayo kwa sababu tu ya ushauri aliotoa JK au kuna mengine tusioyajua.??
Ebu ngoja niwape kidogo HINTS za viongoz wote wawili kutoka wikipedia;

JK

Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete (born 7 October 1950) is a Tanzanian politician who has been the fourth President of Tanzania since December 2005. Previously, he was minister of foreign affairs from 1995 to 2005. He also served as the chairperson of the African Union from 31 January 2008 to 2 February 2009. He is known for taking neutral independent and democratic driven speeches[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] that sometimes creates disagreements with his colleagues. One recent example is his suggestion in May 2013 for direct peace talks between Rwanda and the Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda, which was promptly rejected by Rwanda.[SUP][1][/SUP]

PK

Paul Kagame (/kəˈɡɑːmeɪ/ kə-GAH-may; born 23 October 1957) is the sixth and current President of Rwanda, having taken office in 2000 when his predecessor, Pasteur Bizimungu, resigned. Kagame previously commanded the rebel force that ended the 1994 Rwandan Genocide, and was considered Rwanda's de facto leader when he served as Vice President and Minister of Defence from 1994 to 2000.
Kagame was born to a Tutsi family in southern Rwanda. When he was two years old, the Rwandan Revolution ended centuries of Tutsi political dominance; his family fled to Uganda, where he spent the rest of his childhood. In the 1980s, Kagame fought in Yoweri Museveni's rebel army, becoming a senior Ugandan army officer after Museveni's military victories carried him to the Ugandan presidency. Kagame joined the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF), which invaded Rwanda in 1990; leader Fred Rwigyema died early in the war and Kagame took control. By 1993, the RPF controlled significant territory in Rwanda and a ceasefire was negotiated. The assassination of Rwandan President Habyarimana was the starting point of the genocide, in which Hutu extremists killed an estimated 500,000 to 1 million Tutsi and moderate Hutu. Kagame resumed the civil war, and ended the genocide with a military victory.
Kagame has had mostly good relations with the East African Community and the United States, while his relations with France were poor until 2009. Relations with the DRC remain tense despite the 2003 ceasefire; human rights groups and a leaked United Nations report allege Rwandan support for two insurgencies in the country, a charge Kagame denies. Several countries suspended aid payments in 2012 following these allegations. Kagame is popular in Rwanda and with some foreign observers; however, human rights groups accuse him of political repression. He won an election in 2003, under a new constitution adopted that year, and was elected for a second term in 2010.


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Waliyoandika haya ni Wanyarwanda na michuzi blog si mali ya ministry of info. Youth and culture. Na kabla ya hiyo makala katika michuzi blog tayari Rwanda ministry of foreign affairs alishajibu na kusema Kikwete ni genocide symphatizer! Hapa ni wanajaribu ku-potray Kikwete ni mchokozi
 
Watajikosha mpaka lini waaje ujinga wao kila siku wanajitahidi kupotosha laiki ukweli utawasubili tu.
 
All academics have come to the conclution and view Wikipidea as unreliable source...you can not use it as a reference
 
Why quote Wikipedia who fails to cite any reference to JK's alleged 'neutral independent and democratic driven speeches[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] that sometimes creates disagreements with his colleagues'? Professionally Wikipedia is not a reliable source references but a hint leading to proper sources. So your thread is not a reliable one either with regard to JMK and PK recent saga
 
Utter non-sense dontchu know that wikipedia is the open source?

Ya kagame tena, tushachoka, kama hawatajki negotiation basi waache hatutawalazimisha. On the other hand wasimlazimishe Kabila na yeye ku-negotiate na terrosist wa M23. Mpaka hapo tukikubaliana inapendeza mbona

ngoja niende off topic, wee mkuu King Kong III, aisee we jamaa hiyo avatar yako aje tena kiongozi? duh inabidi ukahsindane mashindano ya sura mbaya na naamini utavunja hata rekodi za akian marehemu ongala. By the way kule "umenyeni" unafanya nini mkuu? mhhh bila shaka wee utakuwa ni product ya bino au mtui au kitemango. Hope hii code unaweza ku-break. Wasalimie sana
 
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Why quote Wikipedia who fails to cite any reference to JK's alleged 'neutral independent and democratic driven speeches[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] that sometimes creates disagreements with his colleagues'? Professionally Wikipedia is not a reliable source references but a hint leading to proper sources. So your thread is not a reliable one either with regard to JMK and PK recent saga

ndugu zangu kwani mtoa mada ana-defend thesis yake, kwamba tunahoji kwanini anatumia open source kupresent hoja zake? Jibu ni hapana and Wikipedia is indeed a great source of information and shall remain so until changed in the course of time and/or emergent of the competitors in the field.
 
Paul Kagame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jakaya Kikwete - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[h=2]Controversy about Kikwete's encouragmeent of negotiations between Rwanda and the FDLR[/h] On 26 May 2013, Kikwete said at a meeting of the African Union that if President Joseph Kabila of the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) could negotiate with the March 23 Movement (M23), President Yoweri Museveni of Uganda and President Paul Kagame of Rwanda should be able to negotiate with the Allied Democratic Forces-National Army for the Liberation of Uganda and the Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda (FDLR), respectively. In response, Museveni expressed his willingness to negotiate.[SUP][4][/SUP]
An anonymous person on 31 May then posted on a blog hosted by the Tanzanian Ministry of Information, Youth, Culture and Sports,

Rwanda has a tendency of not taking kindly any form of criticism, from within or without. And its leadership comes across as snobbish and delusional. May be the Western countries' plaudits about its so-called success story have finally got to the heads of Rwandan leaders so much that they think they know it all.[SUP][5][/SUP]
In early June 2013, Tanzania's Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Co-operation, Bernard Membe, said in the Tanzania National Assembly,

Rwanda has issued a statement opposing the advice by President Kikwete that this was the right time to hold peace talks with the country's rebels, most of whom are in DRC forests and against whom the government has unsuccessfully fought for nearly 17 years. President Kikwete will not apologize because his statement was based on facts. ... We and Rwanda are friends. We have nothing to negotiate. But they should know that principally we ought to make peace with enemies and negotiate with our enemies and not friends. We say that President Kagame should admit that the time is now and this is not a new phenomenon because in all the areas where liberation movements are, talks have been made. What we are saying is that President Kagame and [the] Rwandan government should know that it is time for talks with [the] opposition.[SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP]
A week later, Kagame said about Kikwete's statement,

I [initially] kept quiet about this because of the contempt I have for it. I thought it was utter nonsense. Maybe it was due to ignorance but if this is an ideological problem for anyone to be thinking this way, then it better stay with those who have it.[SUP][7][/SUP]
Kikwete's encouragement of negotiations between Rwanda and the FDLR has been interpreted as showing support for perpetrators of genocide. The organization known as the "19th Commemoration of the Genocide against Tutsi in Rwanda in the U.S.A." wrote an open letter on 27 May 2013 to President Barack Obama requesting that Kikwete withdraw his comments and apologize.[SUP][8][/SUP]

Bado najiuliza kweli Kagame alisema hayo kwa sababu tu ya ushauri aliotoa JK au kuna mengine tusioyajua.??
Ebu ngoja niwape kidogo HINTS za viongoz wote wawili kutoka wikipedia;

JK

Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete (born 7 October 1950) is a Tanzanian politician who has been the fourth President of Tanzania since December 2005. Previously, he was minister of foreign affairs from 1995 to 2005. He also served as the chairperson of the African Union from 31 January 2008 to 2 February 2009. He is known for taking neutral independent and democratic driven speeches[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] that sometimes creates disagreements with his colleagues. One recent example is his suggestion in May 2013 for direct peace talks between Rwanda and the Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda, which was promptly rejected by Rwanda.[SUP][1][/SUP]

PK

Paul Kagame (/k&[HASHTAG]#601[/HASHTAG];&[HASHTAG]#712[/HASHTAG];&[HASHTAG]#609[/HASHTAG];&[HASHTAG]#593[/HASHTAG];&[HASHTAG]#720[/HASHTAG];me&[HASHTAG]#618[/HASHTAG];/ k&[HASHTAG]#601[/HASHTAG];-GAH-may; born 23 October 1957) is the sixth and current President of Rwanda, having taken office in 2000 when his predecessor, Pasteur Bizimungu, resigned. Kagame previously commanded the rebel force that ended the 1994 Rwandan Genocide, and was considered Rwanda's de facto leader when he served as Vice President and Minister of Defence from 1994 to 2000.
Kagame was born to a Tutsi family in southern Rwanda. When he was two years old, the Rwandan Revolution ended centuries of Tutsi political dominance; his family fled to Uganda, where he spent the rest of his childhood. In the 1980s, Kagame fought in Yoweri Museveni's rebel army, becoming a senior Ugandan army officer after Museveni's military victories carried him to the Ugandan presidency. Kagame joined the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF), which invaded Rwanda in 1990; leader Fred Rwigyema died early in the war and Kagame took control. By 1993, the RPF controlled significant territory in Rwanda and a ceasefire was negotiated. The assassination of Rwandan President Habyarimana was the starting point of the genocide, in which Hutu extremists killed an estimated 500,000 to 1 million Tutsi and moderate Hutu. Kagame resumed the civil war, and ended the genocide with a military victory.
Kagame has had mostly good relations with the East African Community and the United States, while his relations with France were poor until 2009. Relations with the DRC remain tense despite the 2003 ceasefire; human rights groups and a leaked United Nations report allege Rwandan support for two insurgencies in the country, a charge Kagame denies. Several countries suspended aid payments in 2012 following these allegations. Kagame is popular in Rwanda and with some foreign observers; however, human rights groups accuse him of political repression. He won an election in 2003, under a new constitution adopted that year, and was elected for a second term in 2010.


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