Kiboko cha waisrael?

MaxShimba said:
Koran inadai kuwa allah hana msaidizi, wakati huohuo Koran na/au allah anasema WE separated, Quran 21:30, lol.

HIZI NDIZO SHAKA NDANI YA KORAN.
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Je kwa wakristo wanaposoma kuwa mungu is a Triune God i.e. the Father the Son and the Holy spirit, huu pia ni uongo? You seem to question the WE under God's absolute oneness in the QURAN. I wonder do you carry the same sentiments across the board?
 
Namtih58 said:
Je kwa wakristo wanaposoma kuwa mungu is a Triune God i.e. the Father the Son and the Holy spirit, huu pia ni uongo? You seem to question the WE under God's absolute oneness in the QURAN. I wonder do you carry the same sentiments across the board?
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What exactly are trying to say here?
 
X-PASTER said:
Ivi alikwambia eeh... Kuwa yeye mungu...!?
Na hii inahusiana vipi na hii thread? Mh mwalimu!
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Aliniambia kuwa yeye ni Mungu. Hii thread ni ya Waisrael. When ever you touch them, you are touching the creator. It is un avoidable situation.
 
Namtih58 said:
Je kwa wakristo wanaposoma kuwa mungu is a Triune God i.e. the Father the Son and the Holy spirit, huu pia ni uongo? You seem to question the WE under God's absolute oneness in the QURAN. I wonder do you carry the same sentiments across the board?
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God in three. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. IT IS TRUE.

 
Mtindiowaubongo said:
and whacho about that, nway? Kwenye koran mungu anasingiziwa kutumia both UWINGI na UMOJA. No consistence.. How does that sound to you, mr./s. great thinker?
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Kwanza I in way infer to be a great anything, I am a human accorded the same facilities as any other human. We are all equal in that respect.

Pili I see nothing wrong kwa Mungu kutumia uwingi/umoja. Why should it be ok for one and not the other.
Islam does not object to God being multidimensional, what it objects to is the spliting. It is a monotheistic religion. To be precise it objects to the elevation of mary or any other as a part God. read Quran 5:116.

It emphasizes that there is only one GOD final.
 
Your, wishful thoughts/thinking wont change the truth, inter-alia, either your allah is a liar or Marehemu Muhammad the author of Koran is a liar and/or both are liars.

017.001YUSUFALI: Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things).
PICKTHAL: Glorified be He Who carried His servant by night from the Inviolable Place of Worship to the Far distant place of worship the neighbourhood whereof We have blessed, that We might show him of Our tokens! Lo! He, only He, is the Hearer, the Seer.
SHAKIR: Glory be to Him Who made His servant to go on a night from the Sacred Mosque to the remote mosque of which We have blessed the precincts, so that We may show to him some of Our signs; surely He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

Allah ambaye hana msaidizi wala mshirika wala mtoto bado anatumia wingi. lol
 
Namtih58 said:
Kwanza I in way infer to be a great anything, I am a human accorded the same facilities as any other human. We are all equal in that respect.
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Hii ni nini? what are you reffering to?

Namtih58 said:
Pili I see nothing wrong kwa Mungu kutumia uwingi/umoja. Why should it be ok for one and not the other.
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It is ok for who? It is not wrong because you have no reason to doubt? or because you dont have guts to face it?

Namtih58 said:
Islam does not object to God being multidimensional, what it objects to is the spliting. It is a monotheistic religion. To be precise it objects to the elevation of mary or any other as a part God. read Quran 5:116.

It emphasizes that there is only one GOD final.
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The god described in koran is strange to me. what kind of god uses I's and WE's ? If it is to show oneness we expect I's and not WE's thats simple logic. Anything less than that is simply IDIOTIC.
 
MaxShimba said:


Haha haha ahha, eti Koran haina shaka. Haya hebu tusome shaka ndani ya korani ya kugushu.

41:9 Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals ? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.

41:10 He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;

41:12 Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.

The Quran, however, has a real problem here as Surah 41:9, 10, 12 have a total of eight days of creation (4+2+2=8). Meanwhile, Surah 10:3 gives the total number of days of creation as six. SASA ALLAH ALIUMBA DUNIA KWA SIKU NGAPI? SITA, NANE, ? Kaazi kweli kweli.

This is a problem of self-contradiction na/au SHAKA.

Koran imejaa shaka kibao. Ukitaka nitakuwekea kila siku.





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mie nina hakika hayo maneno yako ukamuuze issa bin mariam au kama vile unayojua wewe yesu.

sijui kama utaijua maana ya kuamini?
wanaoamini ambao wanajulikana kwa jina la wa.... ambalo wengi makafiri wanalolichukia.
kuna mambo mengi tu ambayo ni sawa na walioamini. tunachukua yale ya haki na kuyawacha ya shetani.
mie nilikuwa nakuuliza wewe uliotoa hii hadithi?
hivi aliyetumwa na shetani ni nani?
a. shetani?
au
b. mtu wa mungu?

unajua maana ya jiwe?
unajua maana ya shetani?
unajua maana ya mwamba?
yohana 1.42 yesu akamtizama akamtizama akampa jina jiwe.
mataya 4.6 usije ukajikwaa na jiwe (shetani)
luka 22.31,32,33,34shetani amewataka kwa hiyo muongoke
matayo16.23 akamwambia petro shetani wee toka.
na kama hujui maana ya mwamba nambie nitakusaidia?

ufunduo 2.9 sinagodi la shetani
matendo21.39paulo muyahudi
matendo 22.25 ``mrumi
matayo12.23mpaka 27
matendo 23.9apigiwa debe paulo
`` 19.15 shetani amjua paulo
`` 16.16,17shetani asema afatwe
`` 16,25 huyu ndie aliazisha kuimba
paulo (sasa jibu unalo mwenyewe)
yohana 8.44 nyie mama yenu shetani
sikia yesu alikuwa muislam
matayo 13.57nabii hakosi heshima
yohana 9.17 kipofu asema nabii
luka 7.16 mungu ametuletea nabii mkuu
ufunuo22.9 wanaosikia msujudie mungu.
(nyie munapiga goti)
ufunuo 9.1 mpaka 9 alama za kusujudu.
sasa nakuuliza wewe yesu alipiga goti au alisujudu? (ukishindwa nitakwambia)

waraka wa yuda 1.4 hata kitabu chako kinakubali kuwa nyie makafiri

mie nafikiria haina haja kushindana na mwanawazimu.

munaiba maneno alafu munafanya uzushi
iulize biblia mungu ana mfano? (ukikosa jubu nitakupa. mumeiba maneno ya mungu na mukajifanyi klabu ya mwimbo na kupaukapauka)
yatakuja makiristo ya uongo na manabii ya uongo.

mienaondoka nanyi mutanitafuta nanyi mtakufa katika mizambi yenu?

ndugu yangu bibilia inakubali kuwa upo katika moto wa milele.
wewe kafutwe zambi na mungu mtu na umpigie goti

lakini usijaribu kuongelea kitu usiokijua. kwanza kazome biblia yako ujue alafu ndio uje ufahamishwe maana ya kuamini au kwa maana inayojulikana uilsam hii ndio kuamini mwenyezi mungu

hata yesu anaamrisha aaminiwe mungu

samahani muhusika wa web hii nimeamua nimueleze kweli huyu kijana usije ukafuka web hii kwa ajili yangu
 
Mchungajimakini:

Kwanza lazima ujuwe kuwa Isa bin Mariam sio YESU wa BIBLIA. Isa was a fabricated and fictitious person in Muhammad's mind.

Unataka kujuwa aliyetumwa na Shetani? Jibu lako ni MAREHEMU MUHAMMAD MTUME WENU WAISLAM. Ndio maana akaweka aya za Kimashetani katika Koran yake yenye shaka.

Maswali yako kuhusu jiwe, shetani na mwamba are unethical and unmerital. When Jesus used the word pebbles ukiangalia kwenye "original" translation, yaani Greek utaona kuwa pebbles means Petras and not Peter. Usifikiri Biblia ni sawa na Korani yenu yenye shaka kibao. Hujuwi kitu wewe kuhusu Biblia. Biblia haifundishwi kwa kukremishwa kwa mijeredi kwenye madrasa zenu, kama Koran. lol.

Umeuliza tena swali kuhusu Yesu kupiga goti au sujudu. Umeshindwa kujuwa phrase behind it, nenda kasome tena hiyo chapta na sio kujaribu kudandia gari kwa mbele.

Hebu tuangalie, ni nani mwenda wazimu:

Muhammad did not receive revelations. He believed that he did but it was some kind of mental disorder set off by a traumatic event in his life, schizophrenia. Even though he did not show any signs earlier, there is evidence to show that this is scientifically possible.

Muhammad did receive revelations, but not from God. There are other spiritual powers, namely Satan and his minions, which try to ensnare souls. Often, their messages appear very good and harmless and even seem to be complying with God, but in reality they are traps for the faithful, and from the devil/Shehetwain.

"And they say: O you (Muhammad [pbuh]) to whom the Dhikr (the Qur'ân) has been sent down! Verily, you are a mad man." [Al-Qur'an 15:6]
or a liar practising witchcraft,

"And they (Arab pagans) wonder that a warner (Prophet Muhammad [pbuh]) has come to them from among themselves! And the disbelievers say: "This (Prophet Muhammad [pbuh]) is a sorcerer, a liar." [Al-Qur'an 38:4].

"And verily, those who disbelieve would almost make you slip with their eyes through hatreds when they hear the Reminder (the Qur'ân), and they say: Verily, he (Muhammad [pbuh]) is a madman!" [Al-Qur'an 68:51]*

Now tell me mchungajimakini, who is a madman between me, you and Muhammad your allah?
 
Mtindiowaubongo said:
Pure mashudu + samadi,

Nimekuuliza lete ushahidi ya kuwa Koran ni kitabu cha Mungu..sasa ona ulichokileta. Usianze kuleta conclusion kabla ya findings mkuu.

Nilijua tu hii hoja itakushinda.

Pole zako.
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wewe akili huna na biblia pia imekiri kama akili hamuna nkupa ushahidi ndani ya maneno mulioyaiba kwenye biblia

warumi 1.25 waliibadili kweli
wakorinto 15.12 mpka18 yesu hakufufuka
yohana 11.50,51,52 kuhani atabiri yesu atakufa
ukienda kwenye tito mumemwita yesu mungu mkuu.

sasana nakwambia kuwa yesu ni muislam sio mpiga gopi wala mkiristo ushahidi huu

waraka wa waibrania 5.7 yesu alimuomba mungu amtoe kwenye mauti na mungu akamsikiliza

marko 14.35 mpka 36 uesu alisujubu akaomba(kama hujui maana ya kifudifudi) uniepushe na kikombe

matayo 12.38mpaka40 yesu atajificha siku 3 duniani kama yoda alivyokuwa katika tumbo la samaki

yohana 12.36 yesu akajificha

matayo 13.57 nabii hakosi heshima( yesu ni nabii)

yohana 8.47 aliye wa mungu huyasikia ya mungu

`` 14.1 munamuamini niminini na mie(kma munamuamini mungu basi muaminini na nabii)

`` 6.45 na manabii wote wamefundishwa na mungu.(yesu kafundishwa na mungu)

ufunduo 22.9 wayasikiayo maneno ya nabii wamsujudie mungu ( yesu katumwa na mungu alimsujidia mungu, ibrahim , mussa , muhmade swa pia na wengine na sote tunaowafata tunamsujudia mungu)

yohana 11.41,42 watepate kusadiki yesu katumwa na mungu

luka 7.16 mungu ameletuletea nabii mkuu

yohana20.17 maneno ya yesu baba yangu baba yenu mungu wangu mungu wenu( ezi hizo watu mungu walikuwa wakimwita baba mpumbafu mkubwa we?)


ayoubu 41.33 mungu hakuna aliyefanana naye

sasa sikiliza nyie
yohana 8.44 baba yenu shetani

matendo 16.16,17 wafateni akina paulo watumishi wa mungu na huyu shetani anawatuma nyie (anayemfata shetani naye ni shetani kila mtu anafahamu hivyo)

LUKA10.17,18 ETI PEPO WANATUTII KWA JINA LAKO KUMBE MUMEDANGANYIKA

matayo 4.9,10yesu alipojaribiwa na shetani ili yesu amsujudue yesu akamjibu wa kusujidiwa ni mungu na wa kuomba yeye tu hakuna mwengie

luka 22.31mpaka34 muongoke shetani amewataka ( na hamkuongoka mpka leo watumwa wa shetani)

ufunuo 2.9 wasema uongo sinagodi la shetani

matendo 21.39paulo myahudi
`` 22.3paulo mrumi

tito1.13 yesu mungu mkuu ( nashangaa wakati yeye mwenyewe anamsujudia mungu hata quruani inaamini hivyo hapo mapofu vipi?)

matayo 12.23 mpka27 shetani ndio atawahukumu (maana yake maakaazi yenu ni pamoj na shetani)

matayo 16.23 akamwambia petro toka shetani wee (kwa maaana hiyo anayemfata petro na paulo wote ni watumwa wa shetani)

unajua maana ya mwamba? ( kama hujui unambie nikwambie)

nafikiria umeumeona kuwa quruani ni kitabu cha haki watu walioamini au maana yake ni uislam kila mtu anamsujudia mungu pamoja na yesu na manabii wengine

sasa nionyeshe wewe wapi yesu akapiga goti?
hapo utawaona akina paulo na petro pamoja na nyie?

chukua basi hiyo maneno ya yesu

maneno ya yesu

mie naondoka nanyi mtanitafuta nanyi mtakufa katika mizambi yenu.

ndio nyie makiristo ya uongo na mananii wenu wa uongo wachungaji na kuwadanganya na kuwafuta zambi kila wiki

hebu siku moja kamuulize mchungaji wewe una zambi ngapi? hajui ujue huyo ni muongo?

utawezaje kuondoa kitu usiokiona? akili potofu hizo

yesu alimfata mussa nyie mukasema taurati ina laana

wagalatia 3.5 kirto alitugomboa katika laana ya taurati.
hapa ni sawa na kumtukana mungu na kutukana maneno ya mungu ambayo hata yesu alisema anayafata wala hayataondoka

kitabu cha ayubu 1.22 wala ayubu hakumuwazia mungu kwa upumbafu

wakoristo 1.25 upumbafu wa mungu una hekima( mumemfananisha mungu na mpumbafu si ukafiri huo hata heshima hakuna)

ushawahi kulisikia adiko mungu atakuja kufanya ukahaba na watu wote wa ulimwengu? ndio waumini wenu wakafunga vibikira eti akifikia amalizie hapo kweny walio amini hakuna hayo ni matusi juu ya mola wa walioamini na walioamini miongoni mwao ni pia yesu naona nikalele.

alafu itafute historia ya israil uijue?
na baadaye historia ya ukiristo ulipotokea na kuanzi uijue ?
hata historia mapinduzi ya zanzibar huyajua?
hata hujui kwanini chama cha wakatoliki kikaitwa ccm?

hujui na hutajua na shetani atakuweka hivyo2 pofu mungu akakutie kwenye moto na wenzako.

 
yesu na muhmadi wote wamoja na wote wanamsujudia mungu mmoja.

sio kama hamujui munajua lakini mungu wenu shetanu mushapotea.

ibada zao moja pamoja na akina ibrahi , musa na manabii wote.

sio manabii wenu manabii wa uongo.
 
mchungajimakini said:
yesu na muhmadi wote wamoja na wote wanamsujudia mungu mmoja.

sio kama hamujui munajua lakini mungu wenu shetanu mushapotea.

ibada zao moja pamoja na akina ibrahi , musa na manabii wote.

sio manabii wenu manabii wa uongo.
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Wishful thoughts, hizoooo. lol. Eti Yesu na Muhammad wote ni wamoja. lol. huna haya we. Hata korani yako inakupinga.

Koran yako inadai kuwa Yesu yupo hai na atakuja kuhukumu dunia, na kamwe haisemi kuwa Mwamedi si Marehemu na Mwamedi atakuja tena, zaidi ya Mwamedi kukiri kuwa hajuwi allah wake atamfanya nini siku ya kihama. Kwanini nifuate mtume asiye juwa hata mwisho wake?

Koran yako inasema kuwa Yesu alizaliwa kwa nguvu ya Roho Mtakatifu na kamwe haisemi hivyo kwa Mwamedi mtume wako feki, ambaye alionyesha kupagawa akili tokea utoto wake.

Kumbe hata KORANI YAKO HUIJUWI.

Ndio maana Mtume wenu Mwamadi aliitwa madman. Kwasababu si lolote wala chochote.
 
MaxShimba said:
Wishful thoughts, hizoooo. lol. Eti Yesu na Muhammad wote ni wamoja. lol. huna haya we. Hata korani yako inakupinga.

Koran yako inadai kuwa Yesu yupo hai na atakuja kuhukumu dunia, na kamwe haisemi kuwa Mwamedi si Marehemu na Mwamedi atakuja tena, zaidi ya Mwamedi kukiri kuwa hajuwi allah wake atamfanya nini siku ya kihama. Kwanini nifuate mtume asiye juwa hata mwisho wake?

Koran yako inasema kuwa Yesu alizaliwa kwa nguvu ya Roho Mtakatifu na kamwe haisemi hivyo kwa Mwamedi mtume wako feki, ambaye alionyesha kupagawa akili tokea utoto wake.

Kumbe hata KORANI YAKO HUIJUWI.

Ndio maana Mtume wenu Mwamadi aliitwa madman. Kwasababu si lolote wala chochote.
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Fungua new thread au mada kuhusiana na hayo unayo yadai ili watu wachangie.
Mada hapa ni Kiboko cha waisrael.

Msianze kupindisha mada kama kawaida yenu.
 
X-PASTER said:
Fungua new thread au mada kuhusiana na hayo unayo yadai ili watu wachangie.
Mada hapa ni Kiboko cha waisrael.

Msianze kupindisha mada kama kawaida yenu.
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Hahaha ahaha ahah,

Naona juisi ya pilipili imekuzidi ukali. Nilitegemea ungemwambie ndugu wa jina lako mchungajimakini hayo. lol
 
MaxShimba said:
Hahaha ahaha ahah,

Naona juisi ya pilipili imekuzidi ukali. Nilitegemea ungemwambie ndugu wa jina lako mchungajimakini hayo. lol
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Nilifikiri utafungua thread mpya kumbe unandandia bado hii hii ... mwalimu vipi!?
 
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