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    Ahmadinejad speech: full text



    This is the full text of the speech Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad gave at the Durban Review Conference, a UN conference on racism, in Geneva, Switzerland, on Tuesday, 20th April 2009.
    Protesters interrupted the conference before Mr Ahmadinejad could start his speech. He refers to the incident in his opening sentence.



    I would like to ask all honourable participants to forgive them. They are ignorant.



    In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Thanks to God, the Lord of the worlds, and peace and praise be upon our master and prophet, Muhammad and his immaculate progeny and true followers. O God, hasten the reappearance of the Hidden Imam and grant him health and victory and make us his true companions and believers and those who testify to His rightfulness.



    Praise belongs to the just, merciful, and compassionate God. May God's blessing be upon the prophets, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and the last prophet His Holiness Muhammad Mustafa, who called for monotheism, fraternity, kindness, human dignity, and justice.
    Mr Chairman, Honourable Secretary-General of the UN, Honourable High Commissariat for Human Rights, Ladies and Gentlemen, following the Durban anti-racism and discrimination conference, we have gathered here to examine the current situation and to find practical solutions for this humane and sacred campaign. In the past centuries, great injustice was inflicted on mankind.



    In the Middle Ages scholars and scientists were sentenced to death. And later on slavery and the hunting down of innocent people, separating them from their families and taking them in millions to Europe and America in the worst conditions, was popular. These were dark ages where lands were occupied and their sources were looted, and innocent people were killed and made homeless. Years passed until people rose. They paid a high price in order to drive occupiers out and establish independent and national governments; millions of people were killed. Those in power imposed two major wars in short periods of time on Europe and parts of Africa and Asia. These were wars which took about 100 million lives and resulted in destruction of a lot of countries and regions. Those who won these wars considered themselves conquerors of the world and considered other nations defeated. And by the imposition of oppressive laws and arrangements they ignored and violated other nations rights.


    Ladies and gentlemen, look at the Security Council which is the legacy of World War I and II. Based on what logic have they been given the right to veto? With which human and divine value is this logic compatible? Justice, equality in the eye of law and human dignity or discrimination, injustice, violation of human rights and belittling the majority of nations and countries? This Council is the most supreme decision-making centre for maintaining peace and security in the world.



    When there is legal discrimination and the law-making centre is a source of bullying and force instead of justice and fairness, how can one expect to achieve justice and peace? Seeking power and selfishness is the source of racism, discrimination, aggression and tyranny. Today many racists condemn racism in their slogans and speeches but when some powerful countries give themselves the right to make decisions for other countries, using their discretion, and based on their own interests, they can easily trample on all rules and human values. As they have already proven.


    After the Second World War, by exploiting the holocaust and under the pretext of protecting the Jews they made a nation homeless with military expeditions and invasion. They transferred various groups of people from America, Europe and other countries to this land. They established a completely racist government in the occupied Palestinian territories. And in fact, under the pretext of making up for damages resulting from racism in Europe, they established the most aggressive, racist country in another territory, i.e. Palestine.



    The Security Council endorsed this usurper regime and for 60 years constantly defended it and let it commit any kind of crime.
    Worse than this is that some Western governments and America are committed to support genocidal racists while others condemn the bombardment of innocent human beings, the occupation of their land and the disasters that took place in Gaza. Even before they kept silent, not responding to all the crimes of that regime, and supported it. Dear friends, ladies and gentlemen, what has been the source of recent wars such as the Americans' attack on Iraq or the wide military expedition in Afghanistan? Has it been anything else than the selfishness of the American government of the time and the pressures by those in possession of wealth and power to expand influence and hegemony, support weapon manufacturers, destroy a great culture that is thousands of years old, destroying possible and potentials risks by the countries of the region against the occupying Quds regime, and looting the energy resources of the Iraqi people?


    In fact why were one million people dead and injured and a few million people forced to leave their homeland? Why were hundreds of billions of dollars worth of damage inflicted on the Iraqi people and hundreds of billions of dollars of costs for the military invasion imposed on the American people and America's allies? Was attacking Iraq not orchestrated by the Zionists and their allies in the previous ruling government of America which was on the one hand in power and on the other the owner of arms manufacturing companies?



    Did peace, security and prosperity return to Afghanistan by military intervention? America and its allies were not even able to stop the production of narcotics and during their presence it increased several fold. The main question is this: What was the role of the previous ruling system in America and its allies? Were they the representatives of the world nations? Were they elected by the world nations? Do they have representation by the world nations to interfere in the affairs of all parts of the world and especially our region? Don't these actions, the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, count as examples of selfishness, racism, discrimination and violating the dignity and independence of other nations?


    Ladies and gentlemen, who are the people in charge of the crisis-hit economy of the world? Where did the crisis start? Did it start in Africa and Asia or American and then Europe and their allies?



    For a long time, using their political influence, they [West] imposed unfair economic laws on international economic transactions. They set up financial and monetary systems without provisions of international supervision and imposed those systems on countries that did not have the smallest role to play in the processes and policies adopted.



    They do not even allow their own nations to supervise. By taking away morality from their actions, they have established laws in a way that they serve the interests of certain powerful people and capitalists. By giving a specific definition of free market and competition, they took away many opportunities from others and imposed their problems on others.



    Today, with dozens of thousands of billions of dollars of debt and thousands of billions of dollars of budget deficit, those waves of crisis have come back to them.



    Even today in order to improve the situation, they have started injecting hundred billions of dollars of unsupported money from the pockets of their citizens and other nations into banks and companies and financial markets which were close to bankruptcy and they have made their people even more indebted and they have made the problem more complicated.


    They are thinking of maintaining their power and wealth. And the people of the world and even their own people are of no value to them. Mr President, ladies and gentlemen, the true root of racism is the lack of human understanding as God's chosen creatures and deviation from the true path of human life and human missions in creation. Due to negligence in worshipping God with awareness and pondering on the philosophy of life and the path towards human perfection - which leads to the natural outcome of being committed to divine values and mankind - the horizon of human insight has declined. And limited and temporary interests became the criteria of evaluation and actions by human beings. Therefore, the seeds of evil power took their shape and by neglecting fair chances for others' growth, it added to the boundaries of its development.


    In such a way that it changed to an ugly and uncontrollable racism that today it is threatening the global peace as the most dangerous factor. And it is an obstacle on the way of achieving peaceful life in the world. Undoubtedly, racism should be recognised as the symbol of ignorance of the depth of history and a sign of dogmatism against mankind's general growth. Therefore, we should look for the signs of racism under conditions and situations in a society where poverty of knowledge and lack of understanding would be spread. Therefore, the main means of fighting such symptoms is to promote general awareness and deepening public understanding towards the philosophy of mankind's existence and the truth about the human-oriented world. Its requirement or outcome is a return to spiritual and ethical values and human virtues and finally the belief in God. The global society should start a united cultural movement for enlightening certain suffering and undeveloped societies as much as possible and uproot this hideous and evil phenomenon.


    But dear friends, today the human society is facing a kind of racism which has an ugliness that has completely distorted the honour of mankind at the verge of the third millennium and it has made the global society shameful. The global Zionism is the complete symbol of racism, which with unreal reliance on religion has tried to misuse the religious beliefs of some unaware people and hide its ugly face. But what should be seriously considered are the goals of certain superpowers and those in possession of major interests in the world; those who try their best through economic power and political influence and wide media means, to lessen the crimes and ugliness of the nature of the Zionist regime. Here, the main issue is not ignorance and therefore, cultural movements on their own, are not sufficient to fight this evil phenomenon. But we should try to put an end to the misuse of international means by the Zionists and their supporters. And by respecting nations' demands, we should motivate the united governments to eliminate this clear racism and step on the path of reforming international relations 0and mechanisms with courage.


    Undoubtedly, you are all aware of the extensive efforts by the institutes of global power towards creating a deviation on the path of the real mission of this important conference. Unfortunately in the literature supporting the Zionists, a clear participation and cooperation in their crimes can be noticed. And this adds to the responsibilities of the respectful representatives of nations in revealing this antihuman issue and improving relations and behaviours. We should be aware that to keep a huge global capacity, such as this conference, away from its real intentions, means helping to continue the most hideous sense of racism. Today the necessity of defending human rights is firstly, to defend the rights of a nation to be free to make decisions regarding important global affairs without the influence of certain powers; secondly, to take action to improve international structures and relations. Therefore, this conference is the arena of a major test and we will be judged by the world's public opinion today and tomorrow.



    Mr Chairman, ladies and gentlemen, the world's general condition is rapidly moving towards basic changes. Power based equations have become very weak. The sound of the pillars of global tyranny breaking can be heard. Political and macro economic structures are falling. Political and security crisis are growing. And the growing global economic crisis, for the resolution of which there is no bright horizon, makes all sorts of quantitative and quality aspects of change on the way very impressive. I have emphasised the necessity of getting back from the wrong path that today's absolute global management is following and I have warned about the critical outcomes of delaying to do so.


    Also now, in this valued conference, addressing you managers, thinkers and all the world nations who are thirsty for peace, freedom, progress and prosperity, I would like to say that the unjust ruling of the world is reaching its end. This deadlock was inevitable since the logic behind this imposed management is tyrannical. This is because the logic of the mass movement of the world is divine, purposeful, humane and God-centred. It is a movement which opposes any policy or plan which is not in line with the interests of nations. Victory of truth over vice and the bright future of humanity and the establishment of a just global system is the promise of God and all prophets, and a common hope of all communities and generations. Achieving such a future justifies the reason behind creation, is the belief of all those faithful to God and the very high status of the human beings.


    Formation of a global community, the practical possibility of a common global system materialising and finally involving thinkers, managers and people of the world to actively and justly participate in the macro and principle decision makings is the main path to this great destination
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    At the moment, scientific and technical capabilities as well as information and communication technology have created a mutual and comprehensive understanding of the global community and have created the necessary ground for a common system to materialise. .
    Now, this is a grave responsibility that the world's scientists, elites and officials across the world should shoulder by playing a historic role through faith in this definite path.



    Now I want to stress on this fact that western capitalism like communism has reached the end of its path because it does not see the world and humanity as they are. It has tried to impose a self-constructed path and destination and instead of paying attention to human and divine values, justice, freedom, compassion and brotherhood it has set fierce competition for gaining individual and collective materialistic interests as a basis for life.


    Now we should collectively try to learn lessons from the past and understand the necessity for correcting this path by considering today's conditions. And on the same note and as the final word I would like to draw your attention to two important points.



    First point: The improvement of the current international condition is hundred per cent possible. But we should know that this cannot be achieved without the cooperation of all the governments and nations. Therefore, we should benefit from the capacities of international cooperation to the maximum. My presence in this conference indicates my respect for this important issue, and the essential issue of human rights and support for nations' rights against the evil phenomenon of racism and cooperation with you, the thinkers.


    Second: Considering the lack of efficiency of systems and international political, economic, security and cultural relations is necessary. In view of divine and humanitarian values and the true and real definition of human beings and based on justice and respect for the rights of all human beings across the world, confessing to the wrong management in the past and changing the views and performances, measures should be taken to reform the current structures. Therefore, a speedy change in the structure of the United Nations and the elimination of the discriminatory right to veto and a change in the financial and monetary system of the world must be on the agenda. Obviously, the lack of understanding for the urgency of this change will result in heavier costs due to any delay.



    My dear friends, you should know that moving in line with justice and human dignity is like moving quickly on a stream of water. Let's not forget the valuable elixir of love and compassion. The guarantee for a clear future for human beings is a great asset that can keep us more aware and more hopeful than ever before. It can enable us to create a world full of love and blessing and can be free from poverty and hatred. We will also be able to profit from the blessings of God and have the advantage of having a decent management of a complete human being.



    Let us all have a share in this important issue, and hope for that bright and beautiful day. I would like to sincerely thank the President and the UN Secretary-General and all of you for your patience, wishing you dignity and success.



    This is a BBC translation from a speech transcript supplied by the Islamic Republic of Iran News Network, Tehran, in Persian. The speech Mr Ahmadinejad gave was different in some respects from the draft submitted previously by the Iranians to the UN. That can be accessed here.



    Story from BBC NEWS: BBC NEWS | Middle East | Ahmadinejad speech: full text

    Published: 2009/04/21 17:03:10 GMT

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    Kwa upande wangu sioni jambo kubwa ndani ya hotuba hii ambalo liko nje ya ukweli na nahisi vyombo vya habari vilikuza mambo.
     
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    These are Ahmadinejad wishful thoughts. Israel was there, is there, all these years. The boy can't do anything. He has been supporting Hezbollah for years, to date, nothing good came from those radicals.
     
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    ...Basi maneno yao yasikuhuzunishe.
    Hakika Sisi tunayajua wanayoyaficha na wanayoyadhihirisha...
    Yaasiyn: 76

    ...huenda wakatokea watu kusema wenziwao kwa maneno mengi ya maudhi, kumtusi, kumdharau, kumzushia hata pia kumfanyia vitimbi fulani mradi tu amtie mwenzie katika maudhi na dhiki. Ni bora kusubiri katika hali kama hii kuliko kurudisha ubaya kwani kusubiri kutampatia mtu thawabu na Ridhaa ya Mola Wake.


    Hayo maudhi yote ni mambo ya kidunia, yasimshughulishe Muislam sana akaacha yaliyo bora zaidi ya Akhera. Kwa hivyo ndugu Muislam kumbuka yafuatayo yawe ni hima yako na azimio la kupata malipo Akhera na achilia mbali ya dunia yapite bila ya kukukereketa:


    Usihuzunike! Kwa anayekudhulumu, anayekuhutumu na kupita kukusengenya kwani anakuchukulia maovu yako na kukulipa mema yake:


    Amesema Mtume (Swalla Allaahu 'alayhi wa aalihi wa sallam): (Allaah Hatazami miili yenu, wala sura zenu lakini Anatazama nyoyo zenu na vitendo vyenu)

    [Muslim]
     
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    This is what Ahmadinejad is trying to practice and comply by putting terror to Israelites and their friends, meaning Christians and America.

    8:12- "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off."

    47:4- "Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives": thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens."

    Thanks to our blind-eyed hypocritical Muslim elites (both residing inside their native lands and outside in the western paradise of democracy, Tanzania and here in JF) for their intentional ignorance about the real Islam. Their broken records of "this is not real Islam" will only add more fuel to the infernos of jihadis mindsets to commit more and more Islamic barbarism. Uttering the most heinous phrase: "This is not the real Islam" will do no good to the millions of Muslims.

    Mind you, Islamic terrorists, al-Qaeda jihadists, Osama-bin-laden, Ahmadinejad and so called Wahabi followers are all perfect and real Muslims by the book, Koran yenye shaka. They are the ardent followers of the Islamic scriptures. These jihadis will never listen to your logic or advice; they all will take advice and teachings from the Holy deffective book called Quran and sahih hadiths (traditions of Prophet Muhammad).

    Ahmadinejad wishful thoughts are disgraced and irrational, ad infinitum, to wit,


     
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    Hellow Max, angalau alichokisema ni hakika na kuhusu kuwa atafanya nini,kweli yeye binafsi hawezi lakini dunia hiihii yameshatokea mengi yasiyotarajiwa.
     
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    Ngekewa, this boy Ahmadinejad is up to no good. He is mentally islamized and muhammadized. You can't take him out of that box. Is like living with a snake in your house and asumming and/or saying the snake is just a regular/domestic pet like cat.

     
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    Hakuna shaka juu ya Quraan kwani ni kitabu kilichojitosheleza kwa kila hali.
    Sisi tulio waislamu tunajuwa nani ni Waislamu wa kweli na iwapo wewe Bwana Mkubwa mwenye wasiwasi na Quraani na wakati huo huo unabase hoja zako kwa aya za hicho usichokiamini unaijuwa vizuri dini yetu sawa na nafikiri kwa kutumia Busara za Dunia nafikiri mjinga na mwerevu hawawezi kutafautishwa iwapo watalumbana. Nakupa nafasi wewe mwerevu usije ukapoteza sifa yako hivyo kwa hili nakuachia utanue.
     
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    Haha haha ahha, eti Koran haina shaka. Haya hebu tusome shaka ndani ya korani ya kugushu.

    41:9 Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals ? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds.

    41:10 He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask;

    41:12 Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.

    The Quran, however, has a real problem here as Surah 41:9, 10, 12 have a total of eight days of creation (4+2+2=8). Meanwhile, Surah 10:3 gives the total number of days of creation as six. SASA ALLAH ALIUMBA DUNIA KWA SIKU NGAPI? SITA, NANE, ? Kaazi kweli kweli.

    This is a problem of self-contradiction na/au SHAKA.

    Koran imejaa shaka kibao. Ukitaka nitakuwekea kila siku.





     
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    Na unapo waona, miili yao inakupendeza, na wakisema, unasikiliza usemi wao. Lakini wao ni kama magogo yaliyo egemezwa. Wao hudhania kila ukelele unao pigwa ni kwa ajili yao. Hao ni maadui; tahadhari nao. Mwenyezi Mungu awaangamizilie mbali! Vipi wanapotoka na haki...?
     
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    Quran 5:115 Allah said: To Jesus Son of Mary, whoso disbelieveth of you afterward, him surely will I punish with a punishment wherewith I have not punished any of (My) creatures.

    Hapa tusoma kuwa Allah anasema kilamtu asiye muamini Yesu Kristo aliye hai, atahukumikwa kwa hukumu kali. Hii inamaanisha kuwa Marehemu Muhammad na wafuasi wake watahukumiwa kwa kutomfuata Yesu.

    Source Koran
     
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    “Miongoni mwa dalili za mnafiki ni hizi:

    Anapo aminiwa hukhini,
    anapo zungumza huongopa,
    anapo ahidi hulaghai na anapo
    gombana hufanya matendo mabaya”

    5:114. Akasema Isa bin Maryamu: Ewe Mwenyezi Mungu, Mola Mlezi wetu! Tuteremshia chakula kutoka mbinguni ili kiwe Sikukuu kwa ajili ya wa mwanzo wetu na wa mwisho wetu, na kiwe ni Ishara itokayo kwako. Basi turuzuku, kwani Wewe ndiye mbora wa wanao ruzuku. ***

    5:115. Mwenyezi Mungu akasema: Hakika Mimi nitakuteremshieni hicho. Lakini yeyote katika nyinyi atakaye kanya baadae, basi hakika Mimi nitampa adhabu nisiyopata kumpa yeyote katika walimwengu. ***

    5:116. Na pale Mwenyezi Mungu atakapo sema: Ewe Isa bin Maryamu! Ati wewe uliwaambia watu: Nifanyeni mimi na mama yangu kuwa ni miungu badala ya Mwenyezi Mungu? (Na Isa) atasema: Subhanaka, Wewe umetakasika! Hainifalii mimi kusema ambayo si haki yangu. Ikiwa nilisema basi bila ya shaka umekwisha yajua. Wewe unayajua yaliyo ndani ya nafsi yangu, lakini mimi siyajui yaliyo katika nafsi yako. Hakika Wewe ndiye Mjuzi mkubwa wa yaliyo fichikana. ***
     
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    Kwanini mnapenda maudini na maubaguzi yenu kama vp nyinyi ambao mnaona ni bora mumuombe mungu wenu awatengenezee kasayari kenu pekeyenu maana naona kilasiku tu malumbano ,kama vp mwambieni mungu wenu hawaondelee mbali watu msiowataka maana imezidi mpaka kero dini,dini. Binafsi najua dini zimeanzishwa na watu. Kama zingekuwa zimeletwa na Mungu angezipromote ili tujue. Na kama ipo dini ambayo inapromotiwa na Mungu basi hiyo ndio haswa sio mnaongelea dini halafu dini zenyewe hazina impact wala mabadiliko. Kama ni hivyo hizo dini zitakuwa za uongo maana Mungu ni mwenye Uwezo mkubwa sana ninavyojua na kama akiwa sehemu lazima utaona dalili za huyo Mungu lakini vinginevyo ni Mauongo matupu, Mungu yupo na naamini kuwa anapatikana pindi ukiitaji kumjua na pia hana mashart .Mungu tunaweza kumwabudu kumuomba kiasili hana mashart . Tupendane watu wote Mungu ndo anataka hivyo kama angekuwa hapendi watu wa dini fulani angewaondolea mbali, KAMA HAWAPENDI WATU FULANI NA HAWAONDELEI MBALI BASI HUYO HATAKUWA SIO WA KWELI. Kama ni wakweli angeweza kuondoa usumbufu kwa kuwafutilia mbali lakini kama anatupenda wote sisi wabaya na wengine wema basi tupunguze mun'kali na tuache kumpangia Mungu nini cha kufanya. Nawatakia siku njema.
     
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    Maxshimba kabla ya kutoa hoja zako jaribu kusoma na kuelewa maandiko, usiwe na ushabiki usio na maana, ngoja sasa nikueleweshe katika hili unaloonekana kutoelewa katika aya hizi (Sipo katika malumbano na wewe kwa sababu hayakusaidii wala kuusaidia ukiristo infact mimi nauheshimu sana Ukiristo japo siufuati).

    ni hivi:
    Hapa aya inasema "Earth" imeumbwa katika siku mbili, nadhani tunakubaliana Earth ndo dunia, na wala siyo jupiter wala sayari nyinginezo.

    sasa hii nafikiri ndo imekuchanganya kwa sababu katika aya hii hii hujui ni muda gani exactly ulitumika katika "kuplace firm hills" na ni muda gani ulitumika katika "kumeasure therein its sustanance". na aya haijaeleza time allocation ya kila activity hizo. bali imetoa tu jumla ya wakati uliotumika kwa matendo hayo mawili. halafu vile vile ukiangalia hiyo aya haijaanza na "Then", bali imeanza na affirmation ya fact kwamba kuplace firm hills na kumeasure therein its sustanance vilitumia siku nne", na hii si ajabu maana mathematically hii inaweza kuelezeka kabisa hata kwa hesabu za set " Intersection of set" kwamba inawezekana kuna activity mbili zinatake place simulteneously, hoja yako hapa ingekuwa na nguvu kama aya hii ingeanza na neno "Then", ikimaanisha completion ya matendo ya aya ya kwanza yalifuatiwa na matendo yaliyoelezwa kwenye aya ya pili.

    Sasa hapa unaona hii aya inaanza na "Then", hii inamaanisha kwamba completion ya matendo yaliyoelezwa katika aya mbili zilizotangulia zilifuatiwa na matendo ya aya hii.

    hebu angalia huu mchoro nilio uattach hapa ili uone kwamba inawezekana inawezekana haya matendo yakafanyika "SIMULTENEOUSLY (kwani Mwenyezi Mungu ana Uwezo huo)" NA HESABU IKALETA ILE ILE YA SIKU SITA",
    kwa mujibu wa hypothesis yangu hesabu inaweza kuwa 0.5 +0.5 +0.5+0.5+2+2
    ifahamike kwamba hii niliyotoa ni katika kuonyesha possibility tu ya kuonyesha kuwa aya hazijakosea, na wala haimaanishi kwamba huo mchanganuo nilioutoa ndivyo ilivyotokea hivyohivyo ,bali ni katika kuonyesha kwamba inawezekana kwani si kila mambo hutokea kwa mfuatano,mengine hutokea simulteneously(kwa pamoja), katika hili jambo kwa kweli anayejua kwa hakika ukweli wa Ilitokea vipi ni MWENYEZI MUNGU MWINGI WA REHMA,
     

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    Sasa unataka tufuate hypothesis yako au KORAN? Maana unapinga maneno ambayo yapo wazi, na ya Mwamedi Mtume wenu.

    Kama allah wako aliumba dunia kwa siku MBILI, halafu akaumba firm hills in FOUR DAYS then he ordain them in another TWO DAYS are these/those not EIGHT DAYS? Au unafikiri kila mtu ni mfuata mkumbo kama ninyi wanyenyekevu?

    Max ameweka ayat kiuwazi ambazo umeshindwa kuzipinga ki-ayat.
     
  16. MaxShimba

    MaxShimba JF-Expert Member

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    Hizi ndio SHAKA MKUU. Zimejaa kibao kwenye kitabu cha kugushi cha Mwamedi.
     
  17. X-PASTER

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    Lev 11:20-21: "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you."

    Fowl do not go upon all four.

    Lev 11:6: "And the hare, because he cheweth the cud..."

    Hare do not chew the cud.

    Deut 14:7: "...as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof."

    For the hare this is wrong on both counts: Hare don’t chew the cud and they do divide the "hoof."

    Jonah 1:17 says, "...Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights"

    Matt 12:40 says "...Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly..."

    whales and fish are not related

    Matt 13:31-32: " "the kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed which…is the least of all seeds, but when it is grown is the greatest among herbs and becometh a tree."

    There are 2 significant errors here: first, there are many smaller seeds, like the orchid seed; and second, mustard plants don't grow into trees.


    Matt 4:8: " Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them."

    Unless the world is flat, altitude simply will not help you see all the kingdoms of the earth.

    To be continue...
     
  18. Gamba la Nyoka

    Gamba la Nyoka JF-Expert Member

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    Muse A Muse, Aya zinahitaji tafakari, siyo unaiona aya basi unaichukulia kijuu juu tu bila kufikiri.

    Nikija katika majibu yako uliyotoa, hayo maneno niliyoyawekea Bold ni ya kwako, hayapo katika aya. na ufahamu kwamba kwa kuweka neno "Then" au kwa kiswahili "Halafu" ,katika kuelezea matukio ya mambo mbalimbali kama hukuyatumia ipasavyo au hukuyatumia mahali husika basi unaweza kusababisha upotoshaji wa maana kupita kiasi. maneno haya "AND" , "OR", "THEN", "ELSE", "IF.....THEN", "WHILE", ili yalete maana iliyokusudiwa inapaswa yatumiwe mahali pake.

    Hebu ziangalie hizi aya alizotoa MAxishimba halafu ulinganishe na maelezo yako

    again nasema kwamba aya namba 41:10 haijaanza na neno "Then" au kwa kiswahili "Halafu".kwa hiyo kutokea kwa matendo ya aya hii si lazima kwamba yalitokea matendo ya aya namba 41:9 ndo "halafu" yakatokea matendo ya aya namba namba 41:10, kutokana na sababu hii hoja zako na Maxshimba hazina nguvu.
     
  19. Abdulhalim

    Abdulhalim JF-Expert Member

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    Unajua Ustadh Gamba la Nyoka, hizi habari unazoleta hapa kwa lugha ya kitaalamu ndo tunaita wishful thinking..Hivi ktk maisha yako umeona wapi watu wanaanika paa kwanza halafu wanajenga msingi baadaye?
     
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    Abdulhalim JF-Expert Member

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    Yaani kuumba dunia siku 2 halafu kuweka milima tu siku 4! Bwa ha ha ha
     
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