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Kenya's Mil Mi-28 Havoc Attack Helicopter

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by Nairoberry, Jun 16, 2012.

  1. Nairoberry

    Nairoberry JF-Expert Member

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    hi guys hope you are all well. i just started this thread about Kenya's acquisition of the world deadliest attack helicopters that was made in February. initial delivery was of 16 of these dreaded helicopters and rumor mill or grapevine has it that another 27 have been requested for by the Kenya air force to be delivered by spring of 2013. all the aircraft have been assembled locally(according to word on street) as is the case with helicopters acquired for use in the region. the local Kenyan helicopter assembler is the same one assembling for the Kenya police air wing helicopters. the aircraft will be used by the 50 air battalion based at embakasi according to intelligence news and other sources.

    1)i have a few issues regarding especially the local assembly of this most sophisticated helicopters bearing in mind the recent crash of the police copter that Killed Hon. saitoti and Hon. Ojode R.I.P . how capable is this local assembler in terms of his skills, technology, equipment, skilled manpower and resources bearing in mind these are not civilian helicopter but battle sophisticated ones??

    2)Also bearing in mind Kenya is the only country in Africa to acquire these state of the art weaponry and only the second in the southern hemisphere and the fourth in the world after Russia,India and Venezuela, will this make Kenya air superiority extend further from traditional east africa to other regions like southern africa, and is kenya willing to flex its military power to southern africa and north africa?

    3) it is a fact that if kenya ca n be able to increase its aquistion and skills of this helicopter then no other country in africa has the capability to challenge it bearing i mind south africa top attack helicopter the Rooivalk is no match for the mil mi 28

    Mil Mi-28 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    do u read what u write or obsession leads u to vomit things that have no logical truth! No helicopter has ever been assembled in Kenya what u heard will remain to be rumors! South Africa is the only place in Africa that has choppers assembling plants! Keep dreaming!
     
  3. kirumonjeta

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    Eeeh!!Kwa heri
     
  4. livefire

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    Dont pretend you know alot about Kenya. KWS assembles her copters from within. what makes you think the military cant? Infact they have an upper hand in these kind of stuffs.
    http://www.viewtz.com/2012/06/12/team-named-to-probe-air-disaster/
     
  5. Dhuks

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    Thats what you believe but its the plain truth, helicopters are imported as knocked down kits and assembled locally
    | World Airnews | Africa's Journal for the Discerning Aviation Professional

    PHP:
    Dr Kipngetich confirmed that KWS engineers assemble and service Bell  helicopters for the police and other operators in East and Central  Africa but not Eurocopter.
    from
    Team named to probe air disaster

    Nobody said manufacture!
     
  6. Delta4

    Delta4 Senior Member

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    What holds you wtz back is your inability to have self-belief, a very thinly veiled self-loathe of things African.

    How else would you explain that Tanzania today has the most vibrant and largest population of Boers outside South Africa in Arusha!

    That Tanzania issues Work-Permits for Boers Cooks at the level that Kenya become self-sufficient in the Seventies!

    That huge swathes of arable land are leased out to white South Africans to farm them as viable economic entities, as if the Tanzanians themselves have ingrained inabilities to do the same.

    Because wtz dare not believe in themselves as a Nation, they dismiss Kenyan's evident self-belief as incompetent arrogance! Eeish.

    Those Havocs are assembled in Kenya, and that is not an impossible undertaking for the African, not even for you Tanzanians, bana!!
     
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    Mmmh..kumbe mumeanza mipasho? Haya sasa ngoja tuone nani zaid kati ya Kenya na Tz..
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    no wonder they keep falling on their own and speculated on Al Shabaab! as far as i know a chopper can be transported in a ship!
     
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    Bukyanagandi JF-Expert Member

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    Mambo mengine bwana! Kwani nani kasema jet fighters, chopper gunships etc zinaletwa ziko fully assembled kutoka URUSI, MERIKANI,Brazil etc? Wala hili alihitaji akili za ziada kujua kwamba mara zote vitu hivyo vinaletwa in SKD alafu vinakuwa assembled kwenye nchi iliyo nunua silaha HIZO basi, kuhunganisha silaha/ndege kunabaki ni kuhunganisha hiyo haina maana kwamba umekuwa designer au manufacturer wa silaha/ndege husika, kazi yako ni kuangalia/kufuata michoro na kuhunganisha kwa kutumia bolts and nuts husika.

    Kitu kingine kinacho nishangaza ni kwamba nimeona mara nyingi humu, wenzetu wanasifia sana silaha zilizo hundwa nchi za magharibi! Swali ni je, imekuwaje leo watake kununua/kutumia silaha za URUSI ambazo hawana imani NAZO?
     
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    Thanks for confirming you think Kenyans are retards, do some homework and tell us which among those assembled locally has fallen on its own.
     
  11. Ndahani

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    Stop living in the world of fantasy and start living in the world of reality...You guys buy whatever that you want to buy. You will never take even an inch of the land of any neighbouring countries. You buy those hardwares so that people like the late, Prof.Saitoti could be punished by your country men ambitions to always be the leaders.
    Unajua hata Nazi Germans walikuwa wanaota ndoto za mchana mchana hivyo hivyo?
     
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    Who needs any land from the neighbours? get out of the cave
     
  13. Moshe Dayan

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    ingawa hua napingana sana na hii propaganda machine ya kenya, lakini kuhusu assembling ya choppers na fighters, every military does that.., hua zinabebwa kwenye containers za mbao then zinakua assembled locally..., na kama fighter au chopper ni very advanced technologically, manufacturing country hutuma experts to assemble it at the same time transfering knowledge to the buyer...,

    Mm ningependa niwa-congratulate makamanda wa kenya kwa kuweka ufisadi pembeni na kuboresha jeshi lao, though air superiority is nothing if u dont have a formidable, couragous servicemen

    Moshe Dayan
     
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    Now you agree with sideshows, NKT!
    you literaly dont know what you are talking about. One moment you claim Kenya has no assembly capacity, then you accept, then you put a prospestorous claim that KDF speculates her single copter crash on alshabaab. Really? Are u ok Mr! Have one line of arguement and build it coherently. KDF has only lost one copter in theater wz-9 and its blamed on mechanical failure and not alshabaab.
    KDF/KWS assembles all her copters in Kenya (read links provided by Dhuks and me)...KDF does it more discreetly for security purposes and secrecy. I would want to know more about JWTZ but you lack the air calvary unit in your formations..a sensible one for that matter: perhaps its nowonder assembly of these crafts is a rocket science discipline to you. Again; KWS heli yards serve the East and Central Africa.
     
  15. zomba

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    Has this got anything to do with foreign military bases?
     
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    not really, most of the aeroframes acquired offlate come from the Eastern hemisphere. However bilateral military exchanges with the WEST (Britain/USA/Israel) still form the basis of KDF training manuals and formations with some editing to suit KDF. Some aiframes frome these regions coming through soon.
     
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    Bukyanagandi JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu, umesema vizuri - baadhi yao wanaishi kwenye ndoto za:"ALICE in a Wonderland" na hao ni wachache sana, wengi wao wanatafakali mambo vizuri tu kabla ya kusema au kutenda; mzee KIBAKI ni mmoja wao ambae utumia BUSARA sana katika mahamuzi yake, chukulia labsha ambayo ingeweza kutokea baina ya Kenya na Uganda kwa kutaka kugombania Kisiwa fulani lake Victoria, nakwambia wangefanya makosa wakakorofishana na a battle hardened Ugandan Army saa hizi tungekuwa tunazungumza mengine kabisa.

    Hawasomi hata historia, hivi kuwa na chopper gunship lukuki ndio inakuhakikishia usalama nchini mwako au mna ndoto za kuvamia nchi yoyote Africa Mashariki, labda tujiulize hivi huyu aliyeleta post hii ni Mkenya alisi au wa Bandia! mtu anaye itakia mema nchi yake awezi kuzungumzia kitu kama hicho? Nenda kawaulize wa RUSSI kama chopper gunship zao ziliwasadia chochote walipo kuwa wanapigana na wa Afghanistan kwa zaidi ya miaka kumi walishindwa wakaondoka kwa aibu. Kwa bahati mbaya na wa Merikani wakarudia makosa hayo hayo ya Warussi huko Afghanistani, hivi hizo Apache na Drones zao zimewasaidia nini kuwashinda wakina Mulla OMARI - mwaka kesho Merikani kama ilivyokuwa Urusi wataondoka kwa aibu Choppers Gunships zao notwithstanding.
     
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    Basically you guys are in the cave...who needs fighting helicopters with no use in our modern times? Au ndio preparations za kupigana nyinyi kwa nyinyi baada ya uchaguzi mkuu ujao. Ndio maana naona kama mnaishi kwenye dunia ya USSR na siyo ya sasa.
     
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    Is it a payback for allowing foreign military bases in Kenya?
     
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    The fact that you think KDF went to Somalia to claim territory shows how knowledgeable you are
     
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