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Kenyan Writer Disses Tanzania!

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by NGULI, Aug 11, 2009.

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  1. NGULI

    NGULI JF-Expert Member

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    It is time members of the East African Community called Tanzania's bluff.

    Our southern neighbour has become a veritable impediment to integration and progress in the region.

    Everytime a useful proposal is put forward, it throws a spanner in the works. Kenya, Uganda and the two candidate-members of the Community, Rwanda and Burundi, should simply shrug Tanzania off and forge ahead.

    The latest Tanzanian objection is the proposal to allow the use of identity cards when crossing borders instead of the requirement for passports, which relatively few ordinary East Africans have anyway.
    The effect of the Tanzanian veto is to limit the movement of people about, who in most cases are traders going back and forth. It is difficult to see the logic of Dar es Salaam's objection.

    At this rate, the dream of federation by 2013 will remain dead as long as Tanzania is allowed to dictate terms.

    Tanzania has for many years been consumed by a large deceit of thinking it is more important than it actually is.

    Basically, it still lives in a time warp where it is forever harping on its old credentials of being a linchpin of the liberation struggles of southern Africa.

    WITHOUT DOUBT THIS WAS A historically important role. But the world of today is being shaped not by re-living the progressive glories of the 60s but by learning to adapt to fast-changing economic trends of today.


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    Tanzania does not want integration, it has more to lose than gain.The politicians do not have a strategic plan for Tanzania's interests and are caught between optimistic rhetoric and practical regional strategy.
     

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    Bluray JF-Expert Member

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    So go ahead and shrug TZ then, what's stopping you?
     
  3. MwanaFalsafa1

    MwanaFalsafa1 JF-Expert Member

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    I wonder. Kila siku maneno tu.
     
  4. Bantugbro

    Bantugbro JF-Expert Member

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    What is new in this post? thlaa!
     
  5. Muke Ya Muzungu

    Muke Ya Muzungu JF-Expert Member

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    Haki ya nani, nimesoma response ya John Mashaka kwa huyo Warigi, Huyu mtoto ni moto wa kuotea mbali, wanajamii tukubalini. That is a well written paper or response.

    Sasa mbona huyu Mashaka msimlete huku Jamii forum badal ya kubaki kwa michuzi na kuandika articles ambazo watu hawaeli wanabaikia kuwa mashabiki tu?

    Mwanakijiji mlete jamaa huku ataleta chachu kubwa sana kwa vijana hasa kwenye mapambano yetu dhidi ya UFISADI
     
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    MzalendoHalisi JF-Expert Member

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    Hii sii ilishajadiliwa sana hapa siku za nyuma??
     
  7. Smatta

    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    Well written, everything I always wanted to say. You are stuck in the past bros, with a teenage girl crush on SA, sorry to say, you will be heart broken.
     
  8. Juma Contena

    Juma Contena JF-Expert Member

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    what a load of bunkum thinking how does kenya going to help tanzania economically kenya itself being a developing nation. The only thing kenya is good at is following the infrastructure that was set by its colonial masters, its comparative advantage in farming the products. the produce west needed but cant farm in their lands. today those farms are still much under white settlers.

    the country has sold even its national parks indirectly to the west which helps its tourists. so how do these people going to help us or are they suggesting we sell everything like they do.

    we are only beggining to bring investment in tanzania already they are queueing up for those little jobs we have created, may be they should think about creating cities investment too, rather than stuck fighting in increasing their raw products exports ot the west. that kind of thinking does not improve job chances but governmet income. this is why you see them seeking employment in our country. well we do have enough for ourselves that last thing we want is a flock of immigration.

    with regard to your id scheme how good can it be considering the pull factor in most migration is based on improving peoples lives. you lots moving to tanzania you'd receive fair treatment and hospitality from us do to our tolerate nature what about us especially in places like Rwanda, Burundi and Uganda which have high nationalists ideas and Ukabila so it seems tanzania will be receiving rather than push some of its poeple the other direction no to that.

    looking at job opportunities i know a man that has an engineering degree and went back to uganda from a well respected engineering University in the UK. upon arrival in Uganda he was told he was over qualified, that is due to their tribal thinking to date this man is unemployed for a year now with id schemes he would become our responsibility. so no to that again and not to mention the burundis and rwandas who were terrorizing our lands before JK took care of them with their arm robberies and killing people as if they where chickens for cars that are not worth even a $1000 in tanzania and very little money again no to id, because some people do not value others lives here in tanzania we do.

    at least with south africa we can get some services and products that we can not afford directly from many industrialized countries. but what does the EAC has to offer us apart from their segregation ideas and a massive immigration. as you can see though our democracy is still young but we practise it in a sense you see us everyday arguing about ufisadis and corrupt leaders and unfair waste of money. in uganda museveni is now to the point of selling forests without the question of no one that absurd if you ask me. i think you guys need to sort your problems first that average citizens ways of thinking before asking for the id schemes because it wont be fair on us.

    lastly we have 99 problems and EAC aint one hit it.
     
  9. Buchanan

    Buchanan JF Diamond Member

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    Kenya inaogopeka kwa kuwa sababu ya kuvunjika kwa iliyokuwa EAC mwaka 1977 na yaliyotokea baada ya hapo, esp kuhusu ndege, meli, treni, nk. Kwa hiyo tuseme sasa hivi Wakenya wamekuwa watoto wazuri mpaka wanaihurumia Tanzania kwa uchumi wake mpaka wanaisemea? Halafu tuseme kila inaposema Kenya basi si tufuate kama bendera fuata upepo? Tanzania itajengwa na watanzania wenyewe maana hata hao wanaoitwa wawekezaji tumeshaonja machungu yake! Tumeachiwa urithi wa mashimo na wamechukua madini yetu! Hilo somo linatosha sana, hatuhitaji jingine. Wakenya wanaweza kuungana na Rwanda, Burundi, Uganda na hata Somalia na Sudani kama wanataka, nani kawakataza? Otherwise watusikilize na sisi, hasa kuhusu ardhi ambayo kwa Kenya na nchi nyinginezo za EAC hakuna hata pa kuweka mguu kwa Mtanzania yoyote!
     
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  10. Al Zagawi

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    our worry is not just on economic front as you guys seems to insist, we are also worried of importing social & cultural problems from your countries (LRA-uganda, Rwanda and Burundi-Uhutu v/s Ututsi and Kenya-Kikuyu v/s Luo and the rest)

    as long as you guys are not able to sort out your problems...no intergration is gonna happen soon...and you know what, you need us and that explains as to why you guys are not able to go on your own....
     
  11. M

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    Kenya kwa majigambo, utadhani ni Developed Country. Hawa Wakenya hawana kitu special cha kutu-offer watanzania. Tanzania itaendelezwa na Watanzania wenyewe. Kwanini kila siku wanalia lia juu ya Tanzania?
    Kwanini wasiiache na kuanzisha Federation bila Tanzania?
    Kama imeshaonyesha Watanzania hatuhitaji FEDERATION ya aina hii kwanini wao wanang'ang'ania kuwa tunawahitaji Wakenya watuendeleze wakti hata wao wamepigika tu?
     
  12. Smatta

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    If I was one of the East African presidents, ningeiwekea Tanzania vikwazo na ni itenge kabisa, you are slowing down a much needed federation just because of some silly confidence problem, grow up man, what do you have to lose, your minerals? land? ustaarabu? what???

    You guys have a strong hate for EAC for no reason at all, some of you dont even know why they are arguing against a federation they know nothing about, they just know its a bad thing just because one or two people they know are against it. Do your research, and stop being fed rumours.
     
  13. Smatta

    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    PUNCTUATION (found on the right hand part of your keyboard)... Didn't understand anything you wrote, daym mayn who was yo English teacher?? A Russian or som'n?
     
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    MzalendoHalisi JF-Expert Member

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    Wakenya, Waganda, Wanyarwanda wote ni jirani na ndugu zetu!

    Tuachane na majadiliano ya kusutana, kusemana vibaya, kuchukiana!

    Kumbukeni..at the end sisi ni ndugu moja na tunategemeana na kuhitajiana kama majirani!

    Majadiliano kama haya not healthy ktk kujenga undugu na ujirani mwema!
     
  15. Mutensa

    Mutensa JF-Expert Member

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    "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit".
    - Aristotle.

    In Tanzania, the peace, harmony and respect to each other is not just a destination,it is a history that we built over ages....
     
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    Fernandes Rodri JF-Expert Member

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    Sasa hao Wakenya waanzishe hiyo jumuia bila yetu sisi, kwani sisi tumewakataza? nusu ya vijana wamalizao university wetu wanafanya kazi ambazo si zao kutokana na uhaba wa ajira, leowanataka tuweke soko huria kwenya ajira si watajazana wao tu huko BARCLAYS, STANDARS CHARTERED ,na kwingi kwingineko, tuikatae jumuia haitokuwa na maslahi na wabongo
     
  17. Juma Contena

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    Well to the boy who pretends to be Smatta aren’t we on computers right or in your head this is some sort of postal service. There is a thing called MS-Words which has so many features that can impress if impression is what you’re looking for. Sadly I aim to get to the points, and also schooling in your little word where white man is the main evil of everything. With that feature MS-W forget about my punctuation I can make my English appear oxford educated if I choose to, but im not here for that unfortunately ie the features were created with the people speaking the language so if my teacher was Russian he did a pretty good job grow up.

    To the main point

    Mh, Mzalendohalisi

    Hamna mtu hapa mwenye chuki wala kutaka kujigawa bali tuna angalia feature impilicatons especially kwenye boarders control. Wewe unaweza kwenda Kenya ukaishi bila ya shida za vile je unaweza kwenda nchi kama Burundi, na kuishi vile zingatia lugha inayo zungumzwa huko Kirundi na French? Uganda (lugha za ukabila zina tawala apart from English) na Rwanda ni hivyo hivyo tu. Hila wao waweza kuja Tz especially wanao zungumza Swahili na kuishi bila ya tabu popote Tanzania. Wana matatizo mengine pia ya kuona kilugha ni muhimu katika jamii zao na wamefanya huo mstari wa sisi na wale. Ingawa wanasiasa wao wanalazimisha hii border control sisi tukienda huko atuta dili na wanasiasa bali wana jamii wa kawaida na mawazo yao ya ubaguzi uoni ni utata hapo. Hivyo watakaokuja kwetu itabidi tuwatibu wanapo umwa wakwetu wenyewe wanatushindwa, tuwasomeshe mashule wa kwetu wenyewe wanatushinda kwani asilimia kubwa watakao kuja ni wale wenye maisha ya chini kwa nia ya kuboresha situation yao. Sasa hili iwe fair movement na sisi wetu waende kwao hapo ndipo inapokuwa tricky business hao wetu hawajui lugha zao hicho pekee ni kizuizi kitakacho zuia movement ya kwenda pande zingine hivyo tutaishia kupokea tu.

    Hivyo basi inabidi viongozi wao wawafute huu upuuzi kabisa wa kujigawa kabla ya ku-limit borders control ili na sisi watakao kwenda wapokelewe vizuri na wawe na equal fighting chances katika jamii zao kama wao watavyokua wakija. Hivi sasa embu sema waganda wapo nchini wanao ongea Swahili na kuchukua kazi hii ata bado atujafungua hizo borders tukifungua je itakuaje sisi wenyewe hizo kazi azitoshi. Hivyo ni lazima wa maalize mambo yao kwanza ya kujigawa gawa ili na wetu waweze kwenda kwao freely.

    Mwisho amna anaekata msimamo wa biashara na majirani zetu actually it’s a good thing kushea baadhi ya majukumu hayo ili kujaribu kujisaidia wenyewe. Na ni jambo zuri ila mambo ya mipaka kwanza wa sort hayo matatizo yao hawa majirani zetu.



     
  18. babukijana

    babukijana JF-Expert Member

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    who was your english teacher?you sound verry idiotic bastard,boasting for what you have there?
     
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    Game Theory JF-Expert Member

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    forums zao wako huru kututukana sisi tukijibu mapigo tunaambia ohh we should take softly softly approach!

    akina invisible hao!
     
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    I totally agree with you that the idea of EAC is good but our neighbors need to solve their internal problems before rushing Tanzania into integration.I know most of our neighbors have big eye for Tanzania vast resources but Tanzania cannot AND will NOT solve your land problems,your tribalism,favoritism and corruption.Tanzania resources will remain for development of Tanzania and Tanzanians themselves and not otherwise.

    Yes i do agree that we need to cooperate and do business among each other but that has to be done in smart way and not in a rush way!
    We learned a lot from the former East Africa Community and in our own union with Zanzibar.

    So before blaming Tanzania for slowing down the integration process...integrate your own tribes and other groups into your system so that all of you can share your national resources equally!..then come to us for EAC.If you guys think that this is too much to take then your free to join other nations like Somalia,Eritrea, and move on ...
     
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