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Kenyan MPs are a disgrace!

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by Ab-Titchaz, Jun 21, 2012.

  1. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    This house will go down as the biggest betrayers of the hopes of the masses. The 'New Constitution' continues
    to be mutilated even before it grows any teeth so to speak....a bunch of blood sucking ticks that needs to
    be sent packing!


    Kenyan MPs can now defect at will


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    MPs passed changes to the Political Parties Act to allow MPs and councillors to defect from their political parties and still retain their seats.

    By NJERI RUGENE nrugene@ke.nationmedia.com
    Posted Wednesday, June 20 2012 at 23:40



    MPs can now freely hop from one political party to another and still secure their parliamentary seats.

    MPs passed changes to the Political Parties Act to allow MPs and councillors to defect from their political parties and still retain their seats.

    But the House rejected proposals by Chepalungu MP Isaac Ruto to allow presidential candidates and the deputy presidents to also contest in other elective positions even as they seek the top seat.

    Mr Ruto wanted changes to the Elections Act to provide that incase a presidential candidate and the deputy win in their bid for the top seat, they can forfeit the lesser position.

    However, the amendments were unanimously rejected by the House with MPs who sat late into the night to debate changes to the Statute law Miscellaneous Bill dismissing it as unconstitutional and unnecessary.

    The contentious amendments to allow defections were approved during an acrimonious debate pitting ODM MPs allied to Prime Minister Raila Odinga who vehemently opposed the changes, against the others who were the majority.

    Temporary Speaker Dr Joyce Laboso had a difficult time controlling the rowdy MPs which saw Nominated ODM MP Rachel Shebesh thrown out for misconduct.

    Chepalungu MP Isaac Ruto (ODM) successfully proposed an amendment to section 22 of the Elections Act 2011 to provide that a presidential candidate and the deputy be eligible for nomination and also contest in any other elective seat in the next elections.

    Gachoka MP Mutava Musyimi's amendments seeking to have MPs defect to other parties without losing their parliamentary parties was approved by the House.

    Mr Musyimi, a PNU MP with presidential ambitions under the Democratic Party proposed to amend the Political Parties Act and suspend until after the next elections, requirements that any MP or councillor who defects to another
    party other than the one sponsoring the politician to Parliament or Local Authority resign and by extension, seek a fresh mandate.


    Mr Musyimi in defending his move, argued that the country was in transition that the law, which he described as "very good" should be suspended until after the next elections to also give the nation time to heal from the 2007/2008 polls violence trauma.

    "Politicians have already made up their minds on where they want to be in the next elections and they must be allowed to do so without such hindrances," Mr Musyimi said.

    According to the Gachoka MP, it is also important that Kenyans accept the reality that more than half of the MPs in the current Parliament have moved to other parties and the country would not be able to fund a mini election that would be occasioned if the more than 100 seats were to be declared vacant.

    Siakago MP Lenny Kivuti (Safina) proposed further amendments to the same sections as Mr Musyimi, asking that the President, Prime Minister, deputy prime ministers, and the current MPs and serving councillors be allowed to defect to other parties while retaining their seats.

    Mr Kivuti also suggested that the new changes should only be effective until after the General Election.


    Mr Mutava and Mr Kivuti had proposed changes to section 14 (5-7) of the Political Parties Act, 2011.

    It states: "A person who, while being a member of more than one political party at the same time, forms another political party, joins in the formation of another political party, joins another political party, in anyway or manner, publicly advocates for the formation of another political party or promotes the ideology, interests or policies of another political party, shall be deemed to have resigned from the previous political party."

    But the proposals were vehemently rejected by ODM MPs who accused their counterparts behind the amendments of using the amendment law to entrench their selfish interests.

    Budalangi MP Ababu Namwamba read to the House a letter from the chairman of the Constitutional Implementation Commission Mr Charles Nyachae to House Speaker Kenneth Marende informing him that the commission would move to court to block the amendments which he argued were unconstitutional.

    Mr Namwamba cited Musyimi's proposals as an example of the "offensive" unconstitutional amendments and asked the Speaker makes a ruling on the matter.

    Mandera Central MP Abdikadir Mohammed who chairs the committee that supervises implementation of the constitution (CIOC) dismissed Mr Nyache's bid saying it was not the responsibility of CIC to supervise Parliament.

    "The worst the chair of CIC can do is to demonstrate his illiteracy of the Constitution to this Parliament. let us not use technicalities to stop things we do not want," said Mr Mohammed.

    Gem MP Jakoyo and his Gwasi colleague also opposed the amendments accusing their colleagues of taking Kenyans and the Constitution for granted.


    Kenyan MPs can now defect at will *- Politics*|nation.co.ke
     
  2. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    Sample quotes from disgusted wananchi!

    "As Kenyans we have allowed this nonsense to continue for too long and we have given a mandate to these greedy people to do as they please as no one will raise to question them. As long as we are divided as tribes nothing will be achieved in this country we are just heading to the dogs. May God help us"

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    "Now is the time to collect 5 million signatures to compel these MPS to comply with the requirements of the constitution."

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    "There they go again, changing the constitution bought and paid by Kenyan blood. How can these vultures who have not represented any of their constituency interest ever be trusted to uphold the constitution. The house of greed is doing to Kenyans yet again. So far all they have done any thing that serves them materially and nothing more. Aibu Sana"

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    "Nyachae,go to the court n block those amendments,Abdikadir is such a hypocrite leader who sings to the song of greedy leaders.Wat was the meaning of Kenyans voting for their constitution whereas MPS are making amendments to suit their needs.Lord is watching over you no wonder......................


    Nation do us a favor by publishing the names of all the MP who supported the motion so that we know who is who?


    "What a shame that we still have hangovers of yester years in our midst. Just who do those in parliament think they are? Dont we have some sanity remaining in the leaders or are they dealers presently manipulating the peoples constitution? The registrar , the artoney general, chief justice,law society of kenya,etc, etc, may i ask if it is in order for the mps to do as they wish sending us back 40 years ?"

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    "I can't believe this either. Mutava Musyimi and Abdikadir Mohamed, of all the people? I think Kenya is just doomed. They should sell/dissolve the country and give everyone their share(s) to do with as they wish."

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    "Very unfortunate indeed it just shows the hypocrites we have in parliament who we love to worship as our leaders,what can we Kenyans do about this its very unfair,the Constitution is being mutilated by this cartel very very very sad and unfair for this country and its people,very unfortunate in deed,we will see more hypocrites shedding crocodile tears in the coming days...as if they are bot part of this plan,they have looted our taxes by overpaying themselves,now they are protecting themselves to come back to leadership when rejected at the vote,if the country rejects you at national level what makes you think you can convincve a section of the nation to support you,this Katiba has been raped in broad daylight by these constitutional rapists.....very sad indeed!!"
     
  3. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    This says it all....

     
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    zomba JF-Expert Member

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    Hii safi sana, ije na hapa kwetu.

    Shibuda akihama chadema anaondoka na ubunge wake.
     
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    [h=1]Kenyan MPs can now defect at will[/h] [​IMG] MPs passed changes to the Political Parties Act to allow MPs and councillors to defect from their political parties and still retain their seats. Photo/FILE
    By NJERI RUGENE nrugene@ke.nationmedia.com
    Posted Wednesday, June 20 2012 at 23:40

    MPs can now freely hop from one political party to another and still secure their parliamentary seats.
    MPs passed changes to the Political Parties Act to allow MPs and councillors to defect from their political parties and still retain their seats.
    But the House rejected proposals by Chepalungu MP Isaac Ruto to allow presidential candidates and the deputy presidents to also contest in other elective positions even as they seek the top seat.
    Mr Ruto wanted changes to the Elections Act to provide that incase a presidential candidate and the deputy win in their bid for the top seat, they can forfeit the lesser position.
    However, the amendments were unanimously rejected by the House with MPs who sat late into the night to debate changes to the Statute law Miscellaneous Bill dismissing it as unconstitutional and unnecessary.
    The contentious amendments to allow defections were approved during an acrimonious debate pitting ODM MPs allied to Prime Minister Raila Odinga who vehemently opposed the changes, against the others who were the majority.
    Temporary Speaker Dr Joyce Laboso had a difficult time controlling the rowdy MPs which saw Nominated ODM MP Rachel Shebesh thrown out for misconduct.
    Chepalungu MP Isaac Ruto (ODM) successfully proposed an amendment to section 22 of the Elections Act 2011 to provide that a presidential candidate and the deputy be eligible for nomination and also contest in any other elective seat in the next elections.
    Gachoka MP Mutava Musyimi's amendments seeking to have MPs defect to other parties without losing their parliamentary parties was approved by the House.
    Mr Musyimi, a PNU MP with presidential ambitions under the Democratic Party proposed to amend the Political Parties Act and suspend until after the next elections, requirements that any MP or councillor who defects to another
    party other than the one sponsoring the politician to Parliament or Local Authority resign and by extension, seek a fresh mandate.
    Mr Musyimi in defending his move, argued that the country was in transition that the law, which he described as "very good" should be suspended until after the next elections to also give the nation time to heal from the 2007/2008 polls violence trauma.
    "Politicians have already made up their minds on where they want to be in the next elections and they must be allowed to do so without such hindrances," Mr Musyimi said.
    According to the Gachoka MP, it is also important that Kenyans accept the reality that more than half of the MPs in the current Parliament have moved to other parties and the country would not be able to fund a mini election that would be occasioned if the more than 100 seats were to be declared vacant.
    Siakago MP Lenny Kivuti (Safina) proposed further amendments to the same sections as Mr Musyimi, asking that the President, Prime Minister, deputy prime ministers, and the current MPs and serving councillors be allowed to defect to other parties while retaining their seats.
    Mr Kivuti also suggested that the new changes should only be effective until after the General Election.
    Mr Mutava and Mr Kivuti had proposed changes to section 14 (5-7) of the Political Parties Act, 2011.
    It states: "A person who, while being a member of more than one political party at the same time, forms another political party, joins in the formation of another political party, joins another political party, in anyway or manner, publicly advocates for the formation of another political party or promotes the ideology, interests or policies of another political party, shall be deemed to have resigned from the previous political party."
    But the proposals were vehemently rejected by ODM MPs who accused their counterparts behind the amendments of using the amendment law to entrench their selfish interests.
    Budalangi MP Ababu Namwamba read to the House a letter from the chairman of the Constitutional Implementation Commission Mr Charles Nyachae to House Speaker Kenneth Marende informing him that the commission would move to court to block the amendments which he argued were unconstitutional.
    Mr Namwamba cited Musyimi's proposals as an example of the "offensive" unconstitutional amendments and asked the Speaker makes a ruling on the matter.
    Mandera Central MP Abdikadir Mohammed who chairs the committee that supervises implementation of the constitution (CIOC) dismissed Mr Nyache's bid saying it was not the responsibility of CIC to supervise Parliament.
    "The worst the chair of CIC can do is to demonstrate his illiteracy of the Constitution to this Parliament. let us not use technicalities to stop things we do not want," said Mr Mohammed.
    Gem MP Jakoyo and his Gwasi colleague also opposed the amendments accusing their colleagues of taking Kenyans and the Constitution for granted.
    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/MPs+can+now+defect+at+will+/-/1064/1431964/-/11a0gig/-/index.html

    MY TAKE
    For God's sake, can someone tell me what is the reason to have a political party to vie for at the first place? I fear 2013 election will have violence
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    mark my words these goons will kill each other again! That bill means nothing but intending to dismantle ODM and destroy Raila!
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    Kikuyu syndrome is killing u....
     
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    Got grant you wisdom for you are in dire need of it.
     
  9. Ab-Titchaz

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    MPs beat retreat, undo amendments amid uproar

    Updated 1 hrs 2 mins ago
    By ALEX NDEGWA and PETER OPIYO

    Embarrassed, startled by national outrage, and shocked by media exposure of their selfish interests, Members of Parliament reversed some of the stunning amendments they passed on Wednesday night.

    The MPs had ganged up against the new electoral laws on political parties and academic levels for running, a process seen to be a subversion of the sovereign will of Kenyans as expressed in the 2010 referendum on Constitution.

    Though they reinstated academic ceiling of university degrees for parliamentary and presidential candidates, forced by the realisation they risked lower salary grading by Salary Remuneration Commission, the MPs, however, retained the ticket they gave themselves to change parties as they wish.

    This means the country could have lost the hope of enforcing discipline in political parties, which is a key pillar of democracy.
    The confusing, but half-hearted change of tune by MPs cast a negative image of leaders torn between being faithful to the national interest, and working for their personal gains.

    The MPs rescinded a provision that had exempted MPs and councillors from high academic credentials spelt out in law should they defend their positions in the March 2013 General Election.

    The U-turn came hours after the acrimonious Wednesday night session during which MPs passed controversial amendments to the Political Parties Act and Elections Act, which have sparked public condemnation.

    Amendments designed to facilitate party hopping as dozens of MPs face court cases for defections yet they have clung onto their parliamentary seats, were effected to the Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill.

    Through the Omnibus legislation, which enables a review of multiple laws at ago, lawmakers relaxed stringent electoral timelines whose effect was to permit last-minute defections for losers of party nominations.

    But the MPs still made sure losers of presidential elections and their running mates would find their way back into the House after political parties were allowed to nominate them.

    But the MPs rejected a proposal to allow presidential candidates to run for other elective seats apparently determined to ward off competition.

    The new academic qualifications will lock out about 80 MPs, who will not be eligible to vie because they are not university graduates.

    It will also apply in the event of any pending by-elections because the law comes into effect immediately.
    Thursday, the Commission for the Implementation of the Constitution, the Law Society of Kenya, and civil society organisations condemned the changes as an assault on the Constitution, which was ratified in August 2010.

    Challenge

    They vowed to challenge the unconstitutional amendments in court.

    "We see these amendments as an illegality and a move by Parliament to circumvent the provisions of the Constitution, which deal with leadership and integrity," LSK Chairman, Eric Mutua, said in a statement.

    http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000060304&story_title=MPs-beat-retreat,-undo-amendments-amid-uproar



     
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    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    Thank God for the CIC:

    Constitution: CIC to move to court over amendments

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    Nyachae urged the President not to accent to the 'unconstitutional' amendments

    The Commission for the Implementation of the Constitution - CIC has threatened to move to court to block attempts by Members of Parliament to mutilate the Constitution.

    CIC chairperson Charles Nyachae said in an advertisement in the local dailies on Thursday said the amendments to the Elections and Political Parties Acts are designed to secure personal interests of the serving MPs.

    He called on President Mwai Kibaki not to accent to the unconstitutional amendments.

    The CIC chairman also said the commission has requested the Speaker of the National Assembly to reject attempts by legislators to use the Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendment) bill 2012 to push illegal alterations to the constitution.

    He advised Kenyans to remain vigilant and protect the constitution against attempts to sabotage its implementation process.
    On Wednesday, parliament burned midnight oil to pass a series of amendments to the electoral laws, some of which were overturned Thursday.

    Some of the amendments have now allowed party hoppers to retain their seats.

    Meanwhile, a section of the civil society has opposed the recent amendments to the constitution terming it illegal.

    Led by Kennedy Masime from the Elections Observation Group and Peter Aling'o representing the Institute for Education in Democracy, the group expressed concern over the omnibus nature of the Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendment) bill 2012.

    They said the bill which is supposed to deal with minor changes to the law was now being used by parliamentarians to mutilate the crucial legislations.

    The two also expressed concern over lack of public participation in the amendment process.

    They took issue with the Political Parties Act questioning the delay in appointing the registrar of political parties and three assistant registrars seven months after the law was enacted.

    They also opposed changes on the Elections Act to allow any by-elections before the first General Election held under the old order.
    The group said it will move to court to seek an interpretation on matters of constitutional amendments.

    Other issues raised are the National Cohesion and Integration Act, gender, voting procedures by Kenyans in the Diaspora, leadership and integrity clause and challenges of the second round presidential election.

    http://www.kbc.co.ke/news.asp?nid=77054
     
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    WAKENYA wamelalamikia
    vikali hatua ya wabunge
    kuifanyia katiba
    marekebisho makubwa bila
    kuwahusisha. Mfano ni kuruhusu wagombezi wa
    urais na wagombezi wenza,
    ambao watashindwa
    kwenye uchaguzi,
    kuteuliwa bungeni. Kamati
    ya utekelezaji wa Katiba CIC, imesema huo ni
    ukiukaji wa katiba, na
    haiambatani na matakwa
    ya Wakenya. Je, unakubali
    mabadiliko hayo? Kama rais
    atayaidhinisha hatua zipi zichukuliwe?
     
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