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Kenya Yazidi Kuwekeza Tanzania...nani anafaidi?

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  1. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    Kenyans' investment in Tanzania now at Sh160bn


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    Prime Minister Raila Odinga (right) introduces Kenyan Government officials Alfred Khang'ati (left) and Paul Otuoma (2nd left) to Tanzanian Prime Minister Migengo Peter Pinda who arrived in Nairobi on Wednesday for a two day visit.


    By PMPSPosted Wednesday, September 2 2009 at 22:15

    Kenyans' investments in Tanzania have hit the Sh160.7 billion mark. A meeting between Prime Minister Raila Odinga and his Tanzanian counterpart Mizengo Peter Pinda was on Wednesday told that the investments by Kenyans had helped to create jobs in the neighbouring country.


    And to strengthen the economic ties, the two leaders encouraged wananchi (citizens) from both countries to increase trade and investment opportunities.


    More exports

    Mr Odinga said exports from Kenya to Tanzania between 2007 and 2008 increased by 27 per cent while those from Tanzania to Kenya registered a 17 per cent growth.

    He encouraged Tanzanian investors and businesspeople to explore the Kenyan market as a way of closing the trade imbalance which is in favour of Kenya.

    Mr Pinda said Tanzania encouraged the development of regional economic blocs, notably the East African Community, because it placed the region in a better position in global economic affairs.

    However, he said 67 districts in Tanzania were experiencing severe drought and feared that this could have a negative effect on country's economy which has been growing by five per cent.

    Mr Odinga noted that considerable progress had been made in negotiations on the common market protocol to be signed at the East African Community summit in November where issues of land, usage of national identity cards and permanent residency had been addressed.


    Mr Odinga praised presidents Mwai Kibaki and Jakaya Kikwete for their directive to revive the joint Permanent Commission of Cooperation, noting that the first session would take place in Arusha between September 5 and 6.

    "The forum will enable a review of the status of our bilateral cooperation, seek ways of solving any challenges that may stand in the way, resolve the outstanding issues that have been identified and agree on the new areas for increased cooperation," he added.

    Mr Odinga briefed the Tanzanian Premier on the state of Kenya's economy, noting that due to the post-election violence and other external factors, a GDP growth rate of 1.7 per cent was recorded in the country last year as opposed to 7.1 per cent in 2007.

    He hastened to add that this year's growth was projected at three per cent. Premier Pinda echoed the sentiments, saying a stronger economy in the East African region would attract international investments and mitigate the effects of drought, poverty and unemployment.


    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/652098/-/umr3yo/-/index.html
     
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    Shamu JF-Expert Member

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    Hapo kuna Export na Investment ambavyo vinabenefit kila nchi; lakini zaidi Kenya. Tanzania itanufaika baadae kama Kenya wataendelea kuinvest TZ. Lakini kwa sasa Kenya ndiyo wanaobenefit. Wana plus Export to TZ which is good for their economy. In the long run, kama TZ haitakuwa na Equilibrium kwenye Export-Import kuna hatari TZ ikawa inadaiwa sana na Kenya; Kitu ambacho kitaifanya TZ kulipa interest kila mwezi; which is bad for our economy. Kwa sasa ni Kenya ndiye anayefaidika; lakini siyo tatizo in short time.
     
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    Tunahitaji zaidi na tunakaribisha hizo investment ziendelee kuja,kama hivyo viwanda vinajengwa ndani ya TZ wafanyakazi wengi watakuwa watanzania na kodi wanalipa sasa ubaya uko wapi,tunahitaji kazi na kodi kujenga uchumi wetu!
     
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    Kenyans’ investment in Tanzania now at Sh160bn


    Kenyans’ investments in Tanzania have hit the Sh160.7 billion mark. A meeting between Prime Minister Raila Odinga and his Tanzanian counterpart Mizengo Peter Pinda was on Wednesday told that the investments by Kenyans had helped to create jobs in the neighbouring country.

    And to strengthen the economic ties, the two leaders encouraged wananchi (citizens) from both countries to increase trade and investment opportunities.

    More exports

    Mr Odinga said exports from Kenya to Tanzania between 2007 and 2008 increased by 27 per cent while those from Tanzania to Kenya registered a 17 per cent growth.

    He encouraged Tanzanian investors and businesspeople to explore the Kenyan market as a way of closing the trade imbalance which is in favour of Kenya.

    Mr Pinda said Tanzania encouraged the development of regional economic blocs, notably the East African Community, because it placed the region in a better position in global economic affairs.

    However, he said 67 districts in Tanzania were experiencing severe drought and feared that this could have a negative effect on country’s economy which has been growing by five per cent.

    Mr Odinga noted that considerable progress had been made in negotiations on the common market protocol to be signed at the East African Community summit in November where issues of land, usage of national identity cards and permanent residency had been addressed.

    Mr Odinga praised presidents Mwai Kibaki and Jakaya Kikwete for their directive to revive the joint Permanent Commission of Cooperation, noting that the first session would take place in Arusha between September 5 and 6.

    “The forum will enable a review of the status of our bilateral cooperation, seek ways of solving any challenges that may stand in the way, resolve the outstanding issues that have been identified and agree on the new areas for increased cooperation,” he added.

    Mr Odinga briefed the Tanzanian Premier on the state of Kenya’s economy, noting that due to the post-election violence and other external factors, a GDP growth rate of 1.7 per cent was recorded in the country last year as opposed to 7.1 per cent in 2007.

    He hastened to add that this year’s growth was projected at three per cent. Premier Pinda echoed the sentiments, saying a stronger economy in the East African region would attract international investments and mitigate the effects of drought, poverty and unemployment.

    Source DAILY Nation http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/652098/-/umr3yo/-/
     
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    Tuzidi kuifagilia EAC yetu wana East Africa.
     
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    Trust is of vital importance for any lasting relations. Many Tanzanians don't trust Nyang'aus, Smatta, many of us refer to you as Nyang'aus. I said you may flock in at your own risk. Hakuna mtu anayekataa FDI, wote tunajua faida zake. Kuhusu imports, tunaweza kuagiza vile tunavyohitaji kutoka nchi yoyote wakati tunajiandaa kutengeneza vya kwetu. Federation tukilazimishwa na viongozi, i know some of them are fools, it will be at your own peril. Of all our imports, those from Kenya constitute 5 percent, may be endeleeni na Uganda ambako mna export 20 percent na hawana bandari. Sisi tuna options nyingi, cha msingi kwenda ni kukuza domestic industrial base. Lakini huo upendo wa Kenya kwetu ulianza lini, nakumbuka Charles Njonjo ndiye alikunywa mvinyo kusherekea kuvunjaika EAC ya zamani, sasa hao hao wana fast track. You can fast track with Somalia, Ethiopia, and even Sudan, kwtu mnataka nini? Halafu mjua nyie mnaongoza kwa non tariif barriers for our even few manufactures destined to Kenyan market. Halafu aliyekwambia sisi hatuelewani na our Southern neighbors ni nani? Usituchagulie marafiki, we r not school kids.

    Addendum: There is a huge diferrences to being an export destination and investment destination, while the former is weak attribute, the latter is a positive trait in my opinion. Huwezi kujivunia kuwa soko la mwenzako especially for consumer goods like we are now. FDIs come with jobs, knowledge transfer, savings, increaded purchasing power and exports..so kwa hiyo tunachohitaji ni ku-export...... Ila in a short run, we can import necessary items we don't produce.Those imports aren't even capital goods maana hizi nazo zina maan yake. Jambo lingine, success ya regional integratin is never automatic, kwa models zote nilizosoma ni kwamba inategemea na mazingira yaliyopo na yaliyowekwa. Je kuna hata structural fund to address past imbalaces kati ya nchi za EAC? EU walikuwa nayo, na sisi wachovu na majirani zetu wachovu. Nchi kama Rwanda na Burundi, ni kwamba kama huna cha kupoteza, utapoteza nini? When u r scoring poorly in both political and economic front, is there risk you face? You have nothing to protect, ndiyo maana kila inachosema Kenya, wao ni Yes, Yes..wanajificha nyuma ya mgongo wa Kenya. Kwa sasa naona tunachotafuta kwenye hiyo Federation ni kugombania rasilimali, siyo ubunifu kuleta opportunities mpya. Ni kugombania na kufuga kulima (not mechananized agric) kwenye mabonde yote yaliyoko Tanzania mpaka yaishe na maji yakauke halafu matokeo yake ni disaster....will continue.
     
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    My other question to fellow TZs, je kuna simulation study yoyote ilifanyika mpaka kuweka suhru wa 0% kwa bidhaa kutoka Kenya. U give up revenue which you know in figures in exchange of future economic growth that will be skewed in favor your of ur tradepartner. Wanasiasa wanatumaliza kwa maoni yangu....hakyiyanani! Smatta, unaweza kunipatia data za FDIs kutoka Kenya na exports zenu kwetu.
     
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    Taarifa njema hizi. Kwa mwenzako kuja kuwekeza kwako ni lazima awe na uhakika wa kupata marejesho katika uwekezaji wake. Hii inamaanisha ya kwamba Tanzania kuna vivutio vya maana. Ingelipendeza kama tungefahamu pia uwekezaji huu umelenga katika sekta gani. Huu ni mwanzo mzuri, karibuni sana.
     
  9. Ab-Titchaz

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    Kanyabwoya,

    I agree with most of what you have said lakini hii kauli kidogo inanitatiza
    maana sioni ukweli wake based on evidence. This will only increase the rift
    that already exists based on 'trust' kama ulivyosema.

    Regards.
     
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    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    Swali hapa ni je hawa viongozi wetu wanajua what they are engaging in?
    Kisha is it for the benefit of the ordinary Tanzanian ama hawa mabigi
    wanafaidi wao na familia zao? Ni mwanzo mzuri lakini tuwe waangalifu.
     
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    Ab-Tichaz,

    ..kuna jamaa mmoja wa musoma ametoa idea nzuri kwamba Tanzania tuanzishe masoko makubwa kama ya mifugo na nafaka ktk maeneo ya mipakani.

    ..hiyo itasaidia ku-quantify ni mali kiasi gani inatoka nchi kwetu, itaongeza makusanyo ya kodi, itaondoa magendo, na kupunguza dhuluma dhidi ya wafanyabiashara wetu.

    ..sina matatizo na mtu yeyote yule anayekuja ku-invest Tanzania. lakini ni vizuri tukajua wana-invest kwenye sekta ipi. zaidi tuwe makini na sheria zetu za fedha, hasa masuala ya uhamishaji faida.

    ..Tanzanians need to work very hard to increase our industrial production in order to address the trade imbalance btn us and Kenya.


    NB:

    ..ninachokataa mimi ni free movement of labor, na free access to land.

    ..Watanzania tusije tukadanywa kubadili sheria zetu za ardhi na kufuata za Wakenya.

    ..pia mipaka ya ziwa Victoria iendelee kuheshimiwa.
     
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    Zimewahi kutokea mara kadhaa taarifa za wafanyabiashara wa ng'ombe toka TZ kufanyiwa rough play huko Kenya, pia madereva wa Kitanzania waliwahi kupewa mkong'oto wa nguvu huko Mombasa kiasi cha kukimbia bila hata kuchukua nguo ya kubadilisha, sasa hiyo 'trust' itakuja kwa maneno matamu? nyang'au ina maana ya ulafi na ubinafsi ndio maana siku zote wameidanganya dunia kuwa mlima Kilimanjaro upo kwao; huo ni wizi, wala hawawezi kuomba radhi hata wakati huu wanapodai Federation. Japan wamewahi kuwaomba radhi Uchina kwa yaliyotokea wakati wa ukoloni, ndivyo wafanyavyo watu wastaarabu kokote duniani na wakati mwingine hulipa na fidia. Naamini hatuhitaji kuwadai fidia yoyote but if they are serious about being trustworthy they should publish on a website an apology for that for the international community to know they cheated and are no longer in for more.
    Hatupendi kuwa woga bila sababu, kitu muhimu tuelimishwe vya kutosha. Kwa mfano hiyo export increase tunaambiwa ilikuwa 17%kwa TZ na 27% kwa Kenya lakini hii haitoshi kwa sababu haionyeshi mwendelezo kwamba miaka michache ya nyuma ilikuwa kiasi gani ili tujue tunabadilika kwa kasi au taratibu. Pili, chanzo cha taarifa ni cha kwao, ni lazima tulinganishe usahihi wa takwimu kwa kutumia taarifa za vyanzo vyetu wenyewe. Nilijaribu kwenda kwenye tovuti ya National Bureau of Statistics, kwa haraka haraka sikuweza kuona link ya kupata takwimu za Afrika Mashariki. Tunahitaji taarifa za kutosha na zenye ulinganifu na usahihi juu ya kule mnakotaka tuingie
     
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    ....nani anafaidi?

    Jibu: Waafrika.

    Let them invest everywhere in Africa. Na itasaidia sana kama kwenye hizo investment zao wakenya ndiyo watakuwa wenye hisa kubwa na siyo mi-jointventure na mashirika ya nje kama ilivyo hapa bongo ambapo karibia kila sehemu asilimia kubwa za hisa zinashikiliwa na wao.

    Let Investment by Africans in Africa flourish.
     
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    Mkuu AbT, tutakuwa tunajidanganya ikiwa tutafikiri ya kuwa mwekezaji yeyote yule anakuja kuwekeza nchini kwetu akiwa na mawazo na malengo hasa ya kumsaidia Mtanzania. Kila mwekezaji anaweka fedha na rasilimali zake plae ambapo anajua kutamlipa. Sasa yeye akija kuwekeza hapa, mpira unakuwa kwetu sisi Watanzania kuhakikisha pia na sisi tunafaidika na uwekezaji wake.

    Suala la viongozi wetu ni la kuumiza kichwa kidogo maana tunajua jinsi gani wanavyotulaghai na wanavyonunulika. Cha msingi ni sisi wananchi wenyewe kuhakikisha ya kuwa tunafaidika na uwekezaji kama huu na njia moja wapo ni kuongeza juhudi na bidii katika uzalishaji wetu wenyewe.

    Mkuu Joka, mdau aliyetoa mawazo ya kuanzisha masoko makubwa kwenye mipaka ya nchi alikuwa sahihi kabisa. Ingependeza pia kama mikoa ya mipakani ingekuwa ni EPZ ila tatizo letu kubwa hapa Tanzania ni kwamba tumeisahau mikoa karibia yote ya mipakani kwa sababu tuzijuazo sisi na kuifanya iwe njia za panya. Mikoa kama Kigoma, Mbeya, Ruvuma, Mtwara na hata Kagera tumeifanya kuwa kama mikusanyinko ya vijiji tu.

    Mikoa hii ina rutuba na ardhi ya kutosha na kama kweli tuko makini na tuna nia ya kuendelea, miundo mbinu yake, hali ya usalama, viwanda pamoja na masoko yangewekezwa huku badala ya maeneo kama Dar na Dodoma.

    I understand your concerns regarding the free movement of people and settlement issues but it will be best if we can articulate and add substance to our objections a little bit better rather than the usual and frankly embarassing name calling and insults trading undertaken by some on these forums.

    For what its worth, I am all for free movement of labour but NOT the land issue.

    Ndugu yangu tusipoteze muda kuomba au kusubiri tuombwe radhi na mtu aliyetukosea. Life moves on and we should too. Kingine kuhusu hayo manyanyaso ni mambo unfortunate ambayo hutokea hata huku kwetu dhidi yao. We have to take 'em on the chin and not be perturbed by them.


    Sasa hapo umenena. Katika international trade, performance ya nchi inategemea comparative au absolute advantage yake na sisi Watanzania ni lazima tujijue ya kuwa hatuna comparative au absolute advantage katika many tradeables hivyo we suffer accordingly with our balance of trade.
     
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    Ab - Titchaz ............I withdraw my Nyang'au word. Smatta be happy..
    I also don't hate Kenyans as Smatta thinks..ila nahitaji ushirikiano wenye manufaa kwa wote ie not to be shortchanged. Tanzania has been shortchanged enough. It's even universal, si kwa wakenya tu, hata wachina wanaokuja kuiba magogo yetu, of course wanashirikiana na watu wa ndani, that has to be addressed internally. FDIs is the only foreign thing i wish my county, if it is from Kenya, that's well and good.
     
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    But my special thanks goes also to Shock Stopper for his clarification on the word. Unajua kwenye maongezi kama haya mambo kama haya ni ya kawaida, msisitizo ila haina maana ya uadui. Mahusiano is about " scratch my back and i will scratch yours" 2 way traffic............
     
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    I suspect there are members, probably for vested interests, want to be both Tanzanians and Kenyans, at least Smatta doesn't hide. These ones are like hermaphrodites....wao wataka kuwa na jinsia zote. Is that right, Smatta..mzee wa Kibera?
     
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    Ikom clear wakenya wanafaidi sana,kuna kitu wachumi wanaita repatriation income(wakivuna pesa hapa kwetu wanazikimbiza kwao) wenzetu wanafaidi sana kwa kuneemeka na ajira hapa tanzania,kama ujuavyo kuna ugumu sana kwa mtanzania kufanya kazi kenya hali kadhalika kuna ugumu sana kwa mtanzania kufanya kazi kwenye mashirika ya kenya yaliyopo hapa tz.Watz wengine wanaajiriwa na kukaa muda kidogo tu kwenye haya makampuni mwishowe wanafukuzwa kwa kuambiwa Tanzanians have low work efficiency.Mpaka sasa Kenya ni nchi inayoongoza kwa uwekezaji tz....
     
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    Sasa kama wanatufukuza kwenye nchi yetu wenyewe...hapo ndipo undugu utakapokuja? Ina maana Mtanzania hafundishiki? Mambo yenyewe hayo ya business, just corporate culture? Kwangu mimi sioni kama matzania amechoka kiasi hicho! Ukijidharau mwenyewe hata wengine watakudharau! To me ni hostilities tu kwenye soko la kazi. Maneno yangu yanaendelea kuwa valid, iwapo hawapendani wao wao, watakupenda wewe? Smatta my friend..ebu sema kuhusu la mjumbe hapo juu. Kuhusu efficiency ya Mtanzania. If we have produced the likes of Prof. Tibaijuka, Mongela (ingawa aliacha ameiba Bunge la Africa), salim A. Salim (10 kwenye OAU/AU) Asha Rose Migiro na wengine kibao tutashindwa kufanya kazi kwenye kampuni..huo ni ukabila na ubaguzi ambao unakuwa imported. Ya kwenye EAC je? kuanzia consultancies, ajira n.k. Consultancy 85% zinakwenda nchi moja, ni ipi hiyo? Je hiyo ina ishara gani? EAC kilitakiwa kiwe chmbo cha mfano wa fairness, sasa ukweli unajionyesha kabla hata ya hatua moja? Sina matumaini yoyote na haya mahusiano ya kulazimishwa!
     
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    The Quonquerer JF-Expert Member

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    Afrika Kusini GDP yao ni USD 282bn, Kenya ni 29bn halafu mtu anatoka huko anasema kwa nini unashirikiana na jirani zako wa kusini..suala si compass direction, it's what you need. Sisi ni 16bn tu...kwa hiyo? Sioni tatizo lolote kuwa kwenye SADC.
     
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