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Kenya yagwaya kumkamata Rais wa Sudani

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by Pax, Aug 27, 2010.

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    Pax JF-Expert Member

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    Raisi wa Sudani, Albashir alikwenda Kenya kwenye sherehe za kusign katiba mpya, hata hivyo hakuwa kwenye ratiba iliyotolewa na Serikali ya Kenya, ya maraisi walioalikwa kwenye sherehe hiyo. Kenya ni mojawapo ya nchi iliyoridhia sheria za kimataifa ya kuwakamata "wahalifu" waliotenda makosa makubwa kwa wananchi wao, hata hivyo haikutimiza yale iliyosaini, je ilisaini makataba isiyojua maana yake ni nini?

    Jambo la msingi zaidi ni je itaweza kuwakamata wale waliosababisha mauaji yaliyotokana na uchaguzi mkuu wa nchi hiyo kama katiba mpya inavyotaka? Kuwa na katiba mpya ni jambo moja na kuitekeleza ni jambo lingine. Inasemekana wanasheria na wanaharakati wa Kenya walikuwa wanatafuta kibali cha mahakama ya Kenya kumkamata lakini hawakufanikiwa maana leo serikali ya kenya ilikuwa likizo/imelala. Kazi kweli kweli!
     
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    Nafikiri kenya kama msuluhishi wa mgogoro wa Sudan inalazimika kumwacha Bashir. Lakini akitia timu sehemu zingine lazima akamatwe ili ajibu ni kwa nini anakunywa damu ya watu wake
     
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    Huyu gaidi, Omar al Bashir, atakamatwa siku moja tu, his days are numbered!
     
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    Afadhali hajakamatwa. maana kukamatwa ingeleta maafa. Wasudan wasingekubali kudhalilishwa. Zingepigwa balaa.
     
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    we are not going to have a party and not invite our neigbours.

    if kenya was to do it allover again they would still invite bashir. kenya wa not just inviting elbashir but we are inviting what he represents i.e the people of sudan.

    i am proud and unapologetically that kenya invited him. the human "rights" societies can deal with it. where were they when bush was killing iraqis like flies for weapons that dint exist???

    you cannot have the biggest party in your home and not invite your neighbour. we are africans that is not what you do.

    the international community doesnt call sudan their neighbour but Kenya does. we have a responsibility to be good neighbours.

    however is complaining about kenya inviting bashir should get over themselves. its a party and he was invited, the war crimes can be dealt with later but for now let us pop a bottle and enjoy with our neighbours.
     
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    Mfwatiliaji JF-Expert Member

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    How is Bush linked to Sudan calamities? I mean Sudan is a country like the USA..Pesident of Sudan is responsible to everything going on in Sudan..
     
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    nomasana JF-Expert Member

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    they are not linked. i just put that there to show how the so called human rights societies conviniently turn a blind eye on some people while they are in aproar on others.
     
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    Bashiri was invited,Kenya failed to arrest him,Kenya violated the accord,period.
     
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    actually bashir was in nigeria and never arrested, now tell me if a neighbour would do that, never, we care about our next door man.
     
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    Hii OIC court imekosa credential, inatumiwa na nchi wababe kuwahukumu waafrika, Blair na Bush wote walitakiwa wakamatwe badala yake wanawakamata wakina Chales Tayler na wakina Naomi Cambell.

    Nchi za magharibi na marikani ndio hao wanao chochea mauwaji afrika, mwenye kichwa kigumu atashindwa kuelewa

    Omar Bashir na vita ya Sudana ni wao wanao chochea, just read the basic article kama upeowako ni mdogo

    Blackwater ignored sanctions in Sudan - CharlotteObserver.com
     
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    Ukimtuhumu mwenzio kuwa ni mpumbavu wakati si mpumbavu,basi ule upumbavu unakurudia wewe!Kama Al Bashir sio gaidi basi wewe ndio gaidi.Tatizo hapa ni udini wa Padre Slaa ndio unaowasumbua tuu!Wagalatia bwana!Wagalatia 3(1).
     
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    Nyie Mnazungumza tuu Hamjawai kufika Sudan, Sudan ni nchi iliyo tulia hata watu wake wakarimu Ila Hawajamaa wanauana wenyewe kwa wenyewe kwani kuna Kabila Mbili kubwa kwa mfano Musoma sasa kule Sudan kuna Birigiti Vs Zagawa hawa Jamaa wanadundana sana.

    Ukiachilia Mbali GoS yao inateketeza kizazi cheusi hii ni kweli kabisa tena inawachinja kila kukicha, Ila Huyu Presidaa wao alikwenda Kenya Ku Defies ICC kwani ingempa muda tu kurekebisha hili mimi naliona kwasasa halina nguvu mpaka Umoja wa Africa AU ukubali kwa kauli moja kumkamata ila kwa Nchi tu Pekeee hakuna itakayojitokeza ila Labda SA ndo wamesema watamkamata ukiachilia mbali Nchi hii ya SA hakuna ingine labda South Sudan wakishajitenga sasa wamkamate.

    Ila ambayo hamyajui ni hivi huyu jamaa Hana mtoto na anamke mmoja na dada yake ni mke wa pili wa Mohamad Gadafi wa LIbya sasa ona hapo nchi ipi itatia mkono kumkamata? Na Kundi la Al qaeda ndo lililofadhili uchumi wake wa Sudan na Osama Bin Laden ndo alijenga mji wa Darfur na kujenga mara mara Vyuo vikuu na yeye ndo alipitisha azimio hilo la kuchinja weusi kwani Mbona Libya Gadafi pia alifanya hivyo???? au kipindi kile kulikuwa hakuna UHURU???

    Kwa upande mwingine USA baada ya miaka miwili wao wenyewe kama walivyofanya kwa Sadam hussein wafanye kwa Bashir, ila Huyu mzee naona kama amechanganyikiwa kwani Mtoto hana na yeye amekuwa akipokea tu taarifa fanya hivyi na Ujue Nchi ya Sudan Uchumi wake unatokana na CHINA wanachimba mafuta kwahiyo wasemaje wao wakubwa ni CHina ndo maana hana wasiwasi na USA pia ukiangalia wafanya biashara machinga wa kule Sudan ni Wachina Bongo mnawabania wachina waache!!! Asante kwa hayo nitawapa link musome wenyewe. :glasses-nerdy:
     
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    Ila ninachopenda wakenya ni jinsi wanavyotetea maamzi ya nchi yao hata kama yana kasoro, watayapamba na kuyaremba alimradi yaonekane saafi mbele za watu... kwahili nawasifu sana Kenya, na nadhani hapa waTZ kuna kitu tunaweza jifunza. Big up Kenyans!
     
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    That is the most naive statement that you have ever posted since you became a member of this forum.
     
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    HOW BASHIR WAS SNEAKED INTO KENYA

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    Sudanese President Omar al Bashir curiously flew in through Nairobi's Wilson Airport, and not the traditional Jomo Kenyatta International Airport, The Standard On Sunday can report. And Kenya closed its airspace to facilitate President Bashir's arrival and departure in a well co-ordinated and guarded operation known only to a few, sources said.

    Prime Minister Raila Odinga was kept in the dark over the surprise visit, which has kicked off an international storm in view of President Bashir's status as a wanted man at The Hague.


    Security sources indicated that Bashir had negotiated his security and received guarantees before honouring Kenya's invitation.

    The Sudanese leader, whose arrival at Nairobi's Uhuru Park in the company of Tourism Minister Najib Balala took Kenyans by surprise, has been indicted by the International Criminal Court (ICC) for allegedly perpetrating genocide and crimes against humanity in the country's Darfur region.

    He attended the national ceremony to promulgate the new Constitution but skipped the luncheon hosted at State House, Nairobi, by the President.

    And on Saturday, Kenya continued to be the butt of international consternation and anger, following United States President Barack Obama's Friday statement on his disappointment and the International Criminal Court's report to the United Nations Security Council.

    "I am disappointed that Kenya hosted Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir in defiance of International Criminal Court arrest warrants for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide," said Obama.

    Obama reminded Kenya that it had committed itself to full cooperation with the ICC and added: "In Kenya and beyond, justice is a critical ingredient for lasting peace."

    But the Government remained defiant, declaring that Kenya would not allow "anyone to make friends and enemies" for it. WHO IN THE GOVERNMENT FLEW IN AND PROTECTED BASHIR THE MASS MURDERER?

    On Friday, Foreign Affairs minister Moses Wetangula had defended the presence of the indicted war crimes suspect and disclosed that President Kibaki had invited him for the ceremony.

    Investigations by The Standard On Sunday showed that Bashir was sneaked into Kenya through Wilson Airport, easily the region's busiest airport, which had been ordered closed for the whole day on security grounds by authorities.

    The country's airspace was also closed for four hours to secure Bashir's safe entry and departure at Wilson Airport, sources said.

    Top civil servants, Mr Francis Muthaura (Head of Public Service), Mr Thuita Mwangi (Foreign Affairs) and Mr Francis Kimemia (Internal Security), co-ordinated Bashir's visit and ensured all other Government officials were kept in the dark, we learnt.

    Initially, Muthaura had indicated at a Wednesday press briefing that Wilson Airport would be closed for two hours for security reasons.

    Regional leaders

    At the briefing, PS Mwangi had whispered to Muthaura that there were three regional government leaders who would be coming but that they did not want to be named.

    Journalists' efforts to prod him to disclose the high-level State guests came to no avail as he refused to divulge their identity, saying they had requested not to be named for security reasons.

    There were conflicting reports about the time his plane touched down but sources indicated that his plane took off at 2.30pm.

    On Saturday, the ODM wing of government called a press conference to announce that Prime Minister Raila Odinga was not consulted over the visit. The controversy surrounding Bashir's visit stole the limelight from the historic celebrations, which ushered in the new Constitution with pomp and fanfare.

    Last night, it was feared that the thorny issue could jolt the working relationship that President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga have enjoyed since they started campaigning for the Proposed Constitution ahead of the referendum.

    The Orange Democratic Movement protested against Bashir's presence at Friday's promulgation of the Constitution and demanded an explanation over the circumstances of his invitation.

    Cabinet ministers Anyang' Nyong'o, James Orengo and Amason Kingi said Friday's function was to present to the world a major achievement, but had been rained on by Bashir.

    "Many party members and supporters have called us to raise concern about this unexpected presence of President Bashir on a day when we were promulgating the most democratic constitution in Africa, with a Bill of Rights that has very far-reaching human rights provisions," added Nyong'o.

    By inviting the Sudanese President, Nyong'o said, the world shifted its attention to Kenya for violating its new constitution as well as international law and treaties, particularly the International Crimes Act.

    "We would like to point out to Kenyans, and the international community as a whole, that this was indeed a very unfortunate visit that could put into question the commitment of the Government to implement the Constitution of the Second Republic in letter and spirit," said Nyong'o.

    Orengo termed Bashir's visit as a stain on the historic celebrations as well as an act of impunity on the part of Government.

    "This is not a good beginning for us because we have compounded an act of impunity on a very important day," said Orengo.

    Kenyan suspects

    He, however, disputed suggestions being peddled that ICC prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo would have difficulty laying his hands on the Kenyan suspects linked to the 2008 post-election violence.

    The Lands Minister said the Government had contacted Ocampo to slow down the Kenyan case to give room for a friendly environment to usher in the new Constitution and that he had agreed to it.

    "Our deeds must indicate that we will protect the Constitution to match the oath that we took, including the international laws," said Kingi.

    On Friday, the ICC expressed its displeasure that the Kenyan Government did not arrest Bashir, and has reported the country to the UN Security Council.

    Kenyan Members of Parliament reacted swiftly and angrily to the presence, accusing the Government of chipping away at the country's resurgent international credibility.

    As the angry MPs demanded answers from the Government, Wetangula declared that Kenya was unwilling to enforce international arrest warrants against Bashir as it would "destabilise Sudan" and its Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA). Also, he said that any such action would be in conflict with two African Union resolutions urging African nations not to arrest the Sudanese despot.

    "All heads of state are invited by their peer and their peer is His Excellency the President," said Wetangula as he disclosed that Kibaki had personally invited Bashir and added that "we invited our neighbours and Sudan is our neighbour."




     
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    Is Omar Hassan Ahmad Al Bashir worth alienating the entire world?

    By MIGUNA MIGUNA, August 28th 2010


    August 27th, 2010 was supposed to be the third most important historic occasion for Kenyans; the first being December 12th, 1963 when Kenya attained independence; and the second being August 4th, 2010 when they overwhelmingly ratified the new Constitution.

    However, because of the arrogant and reckless decision by a few power barons affiliated to PNU, the presence of Omar Hassan Ahmad Al Bashir during the public proclamation and celebrations of the new Constitution at Uhuru Park, Nairobi, has transformed that important day into a day of shame and utter disgrace.

    August 27th will forever be viewed as a day when the retrogressive old power mandarins declared to Kenyans and to the world that for them the new Constitution means nothing; that impunity still remains a way of life; and that they have no intentions of complying with the letter and spirit of the new charter; leave alone respect international law, treaties and obligations.

    Omar Al Bashir's presence in Nairobi was a loud declaration that though a signatory to the Rome Statute, Kenya, under the stranglehold of illegitimate power barons, do not respect and have no intentions of obeying the rule of law and Kenya's international obligations.

    Instead of being proud of the day when they were supposed to publicly reclaim and assert their nationhood, sovereignty and independence; Kenyans watched in both dismay and helplessness as an internationally indicted international fugitive desecrated their national day and occasion.

    This was supposed to be their day but it turned into their worst nightmare. Unlike previously when their self-imposed leaders celebrated meaningless days; August 27th was intended to be a day when the ordinary Kenyan took the centre-stage, honour and pride for having fought gallantly and won against the forces of repression and dictatorship.

    It was meant to be a day when Kenyans were to give birth to a new republic and nation; one constructed on and defined by patriotism, constitutionalism, respect for human rights and rule of law. Kenyans were to bury – forever - the decaying skunks of impunity, corruption, ethnic exclusion and discrimination.

    Uhuru Park is supposed to be a liberated public space. It belongs to all Kenyans; not to a few shadowy power oligarchs whose fear for justice, retribution and accountability for their past and ongoing transgressions is as acute as their proclivity to corruption, tribalism, impunity and dishonour.

    So, when Omar Al Bashir is spotted strutting like a peacock at a national liberated public space without our permission or consent; we are justified to get angry, very angry. And we are, in our tens of millions; from the smallest villages to the largest cities.

    Al Bashir's invitation is a declaration of war on Kenyans. By that act, the retrogressive forces have arrogantly sullied the national mood and thankfully warned us that the battle to reclaim our sovereignty, stolen independence and tattered nationhood has just begun in earnest.

    As I stated in this column on August 6th, the hard part has just begun. Full implementation and faithful application of the Constitution will even prove more treacherous than the process of writing it. Faint-hearted single-issue activists will find this terrain too rough.

    Progressive forces be warned: the red and watermelon reactionaries have regrouped to undermine, sabotage and render useless the new Constitution. Now is not the time for recrimination, ponderous debates and in-fighting; we must immediately unite, organize and mobilize our forces for the final battle. It will be bigger than Waterloo and Adowa.

    Those who invited Al Bashir without our consent know that the alleged Butcher of Darfur is a man at large; a fugitive from justice.

    Al Bashir's warrant of arrest was issued by the ICC on 4 March 2009. It lists seven counts for his individual criminal responsibility under Article 25(3)(a) of the Rome Statute as an indirect (co) perpetrator including five counts of crimes against humanity, two counts of war crimes and three counts of genocide. These are heavy duty criminal charges. There aren't any worse charges anybody could face.

    It's immaterial to argue that Al Bashir is presumed innocent until proven guilty; of course he is. Nobody has alleged that he is guilty. For those who believe in the rule of law, all we are saying is that Al Bashir should and must be subjected to the international criminal process so that he can assert his innocence. If or when the charges are disposed of, one way or the other, following a legitimate and credible trial by the ICC, he will be free to argue about his innocence or guilt. But until he surrenders or is delivered to the ICC for trial, Al Bashir remains a man at large. His refusal to obey valid court orders and present himself before the ICC aggravates rather than mitigates his situation. The Kenyan power oligarchs who brought him to Nairobi might be celebrating the temporary adrenalin rush, but the long-term impact will hit then like a million tone lead.

    Clearly, the ordinary Kenyan, progressive forces, the ICC and the international community got the message: many powerful and entrenched elements and forces within the state apparatus are unwilling to cooperate with the ICC. They will continue to subvert the ongoing investigations by killing potential witnesses, destroying and tainting evidence with the hope that such acts will undermine the ICC's ability to bring them to account for the crimes they committed before, during and after the 2007 elections. That is why they even illegally arrested and detained two patriotic Kenyans who were demonstrating against Al Bashir's presence. These arrests and detentions prove that the PNU wing of the coalition have started to flagrantly violate the new Constitution as they did the old one.

    Even by the low standards of our counterparts, was Al Bashir worth antagonizing and alienating Kenyans and the international community?

    Al Bashir's invitation had nothing to do with regional peace or stability. Darfur that he allegedly plundered, pillaged and destroyed is part of the Sudan, this region and Africa. Darfuris are human beings that deserve peace, stability and security; like everyone else. Al Bashir is not a custodian of humanity, peace or stability. Being president does not and cannot immunize Al Bashir from accountability for serious crimes he is alleged to have committed against his own people.

    I am sick and tired of people making fallacious arguments against the ICC on account of the fact that it has investigated and acted on more African cases than from anywhere else. Is the ICC supposed to create cases where they don't exist? Even if it were true, why should Africans complain when the ICC is ridding us of demagogues and brutal dictators? Is it legitimate to complain that the ICC is only getting rid of African criminals?

    Why did the PNU mandarins bring the mass murderer to our country without consulting and obtaining the concurrence of the ODM? Surely, if we are serious about national reconciliation, unity and bipartisanship in implementing the Constitution, we must stamp out such acts of impunity, for if we don't, then we cannot guarantee the stability of this country leading up to the 2012 elections and beyond. Or, are we being told that to some powerful forces, nothing has changed?

    I have read that the ICC has referred Kenya to the UN Security Council. I hope and pray that our arrogant power barons are slapped hard with whatever the Security Council resolves.


    The writer is the PM's advisor for Coalition Affairs and Secretary to the Permanent Committee on the Management of Grand Coalition Affairs. The views expressed here are his own.
     
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    Sudanese President Omar Hassan al Bashir (R), Comoros' President Ahmed Sambi Abdallah (C) and Rwanda's President Paul Kagame during the ceremony of promulgation of Kenya's New Constitution at the Uhuru Park grounds on August 27, 2010 in Nairobi.


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    President Al Bashir (centre) arrives escorted by Tourism Minister Najib Balala for the promulgation ceremony of Kenya's new constitution at Uhuru Park in Nairobi, August 27th, 2010.


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    Protestors carry placards in Nairobi, calling for the arrest of Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir on August 27, 2010 who arrived in the East African nation Friday to witness a historic constitution promulgation ceremony
     
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    Kenya is on a diplomatic offensive against Western States ahead of UN Security Council meeting next week, following the storm raised by her hosting wanted Sudanese leader Omar al Bashir.
    With presidential clearance, Foreign Minister Moses Wetangula has had a series of talks with envoys of African and Asiatic States based in Kenya, to sell the leadership’s view that it hosted Bashir because of her role as arbiter of the Sudanese conflict.
    The message Kenya also wanted to drive home was that it was not against the International Criminal Court, which has warrants of arrest against Bashir, but was obeying a resolution of the African Union.
    The high-profile UN organ, tasked with issues to do with international peace and security and whose options include international sanctions and military intervention, may choose to discuss Africa’s failure to co-operate in arresting Bashir over genocide claims.
    Kenya’s precarious position, if this would be on the table, could come from the fact that after hosting and letting Bashir go, ICC reported the country to the UN Security Council.
    After hosting Bashir, Kenya has also been left with another task – that of pacifying the semi-autonomous Southern Sudanese Government, which is preparing for a referendum on self-determination in 2011.

    The Government of Salva Kiir, who skipped Kenya’s promulgation ceremony, which Bashir attended, is accusing the Sudanese leader of staking out to scatter the referendum. It is in fact reported to be even readying for a new war should the plebiscite fail to take off in accordance with the timetable of the Comprehensive Peace Agreement signed in Kenya in 2005.
    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs, led by Wetangula who is a member of the Party of National Unity, has secretly dispatched emissaries to Juba to calm South Sudan over the August 27 visit, The Standard can also disclose. But the ministry has encountered some tough questions, including from non-signatories of the Rome Statute that set up ICC, like Israel, questioning Kenya’s appeasement of Bashir in the flurry of meetings with diplomats.
    After President Kibaki urged the world at an African forum in Swaziland on August 31 not to isolate Sudan, Wetangula had separate meetings with African, Asian and Australia as well as North and South American diplomats.
    Not to be left behind, Prime Minister Raila Odinga’s Orange Democratic Movement has also dispatched a key Cabinet minister to meet Kiir, which is another sign of widening rift in the Grand Coalition. It is said the suspicions have been aggravated by a provocative document alleging growing links between Juba, Uganda’s opposition, and key ODM officials.
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    The secretive foray into Southern Sudan comes amid feelings in Juba that Kenya, which chairs Igad sub-committee on Sudan, is reluctant to force the implementation of CPA, leading to the January referendum. Wetangula confirmed he would travel to Southern Sudan – likely before the upcoming UN General Assembly in New York on Tuesday – to meet Kiir.
    After Juba, Wetangula says he would also travel to Khartoum to meet Bashir.
    The minister denies Kenya has adopted a "new trajectory in its foreign relations" with the West despite his string off meetings in Nairobi last week, with mainly envoys from Third World countries, which are not members of ICC. Separately ministry of officials held telephone conversations with North Africa and Eastern European nations heading presidency of UN General Assembly and Security Council to plead for understanding ahead of the New York meeting.
    More poignantly, China, which has veto powers in the UN, has assured Kenya of support should there be trouble over hosting Bashir.
    "Kenya, as a neighbour and guarantor to the Comprehensive Peace Agreement, on the Sudan, require the support and not condemnation by the international community in her efforts to broker peace between the Southern and Northern Sudan,’’ the visiting Vice-Chairperson of the Standing Committee of the Chinese People’s Congress Chen Zhili assured President Kibaki.
    Separately, though it has not been announced, Kibaki is expected to travel to the UN meeting in New York. Initially, he had intended to send VP Kalonzo Musyoka to represent Kenya.
    Beginning last week, Wetangula, "on instructions from the President", hosted the Asian, African, Middle East and South American envoys but under the guise of drumming up support for implementation of the new Constitution. But sources say the meetings served as platforms to attack the US and West over "double standards" on Bashir, and justification for his invitation to Nairobi.
    In a meeting with the Asians, top ministry officials declared that Kenya "will never, never arrest Bashir" and vowed that "he is welcome back anytime". This prompted a delegate from Israel to question Kenya’s stand on the Sudan referendum.
    Wetangula allegedly reported that Kibaki’s meeting with Bashir had unlocked a deadlock of key issues delaying the CPA implementation and the referendum. Australian delegates sat bemused by Kenya’s hard line policies on al Bashir. Meanwhile, sources say, the Government has sent an envoy to Ankara to lobby Turkey, which heads the UN Security Council and which, apart from not being an ICC member, has also hosted Bashir.
     
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    When will this colonialist tool ICC indict western leaders for their attrocities in Iraq ? Bush and Blair have to be tried first by ICC before taking Africans.
     
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