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Kenya may lose Sh1bn in US aid to military

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by Askari Kanzu, Jun 6, 2012.

  1. Askari Kanzu

    Askari Kanzu JF-Expert Member

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    Kenya may lose Sh1bn in US aid to military
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    PHOTO / JARED NYATAYA / FILE Kenya Military Defence Force soldiers aboard a Hummer Vehicle patrol Ras Kiamboni area inside Somalia during the 'Operation Linda Nchi'.

    By FRED MUKINDA
    Posted Tuesday, June 5 2012 at 22:30

    Kenyan security agencies risk losing massive foreign support after a committee of the US Congress proposed to withhold funds citing human rights violations. The Senate Judiciary Committee says the Kenya Defence Forces and the police are alleged to have violated human rights since 2008 and as late as January this year.

    This year’s financial estimates show the US gave Kenya $14.1 million (Sh1.26 billion) for defence purposes, an increase from the preceding year.

    The alleged violations cover part of Operation Linda Nchi, the military offensive launched against Al-shabaab and Operation Okoa Maishaagainst the Sabaot Land Defence Forces in Mt Elgon in March 2008.

    In the current financial year’s defence allocation to Kenya, the US budgeted that $2.2 million (Sh198 million) was to finance KDF’s operations with additional $1 million (Sh90 million) being used to train local troops. Another $8.9 million (Sh801 million) was to be shared out between “anti-terrorism, non-proliferation and demining programs.”

    A report by the committee set to be tabled for debate in the US Senate reads in part: “The Committee directs the Secretary of State to take steps to ensure that no US training, equipment, or other assistance is provided to any Kenyan military or police personnel who have been credibly alleged to have violated human rights.”

    But the government can ensure the crucial funds are not withheld if it shows that thorough investigations have been conducted to identify those responsible. US-based Human Rights Watch last month produced a report, which referred to rights violations.

    The report said of the security agencies: “Kenyan police and army subjected hundreds of Kenyan citizens in North Eastern Province, as well as over 100 Somali refugees, to beatings and other abuses.”

    Daily Nation
     
  2. Delta4

    Delta4 Senior Member

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    @AK - lemme see if you are susceptible to intelligent exchange, as you have earlier stated.

    Fact: Obviously you know well that Western Human Rights Organisations, just like the American Peace Corps, are generally extensions of Western Foreign Policy - not to mean they have no positive contribution and impact where ever they are sent. These groupings have evolved local organisms with the very curious appellation 'Civil Society'' with the intention to domesticate the Western egress and involvement in host countries. But even the Devil's lies are founded on Godly Truth (the Temptations of Christ).
    http://allafrica.com/stories/201206060506.html

    Fact: During the past ten years or so, Geopolitical re-allignments have created dynamics in Eastern and Central African that disfavours the old economies and upsets their traditional strategic projections. And as this region gains importance as an expanding Market for Industrial, Financials and Services Consumables, as well as a powerful player in the International trade in Industrial Raw Materials, the region grows relentlessly in Strategic importance. Conversely, Western influence in this region dissipates at a rate that alarms these Western Powers - and not just because newer more amenable suitors (Emerging Economies) have arrived here, but also because of the growing assertiveness of Africa and Eastern Africa. This Amisom thing may be financed by the Western Countries, but only so as to control and influence it - AMISOM frightens them, the concept that Africa can collectively and successfully undertake such a complex Military undertaking in a nation that the world had generally given up on (and in which their own military efforts ended in such dismal failure). Bare in mind that their earlier proxy military intervention using Ethiopia (without Africa support) was a disastrous failure too.

    Fact: despite all the a-foregoing, on this Horn of Africa Theatre, our Eastern African strategic interests and those of the Western Nations converge completely; AMISOM's failure in Somalia has geopolitical repercussions that reverberate beyond this region, indeed even today are expressed repeatedly fears of a radicalization of European and American Islamic youth. However, as the Theatre draws to a close, divergence of policy emerges, as the Western Nations struggle to re-assert their primacy over this Region using age-old tactics including the threat of a withdrawal of Military Support for the KDF by US Senate, and reports of KDF-malfeasance by their tame NGOs and Civil Society groupings. The game being played has not changed in type despite the language getting smoother – America is armstwisting GoK to reset American relevance in East Africa.

    Fact: Proven Oil and Natural Gas in Uganda, Kenya, South Sudan, Ethiopia and Somalia exceed all Arab Oil and Russian Oil combined. And that is just one element alone – HydroCarbons.

    So, if East Africans could just for one moment overcome the perennial pettiness of our engagement, we can together conquer the new world. Literally!!
     
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    Great one Delta4 let me also add two words: oil, China!
     
  4. Askari Kanzu

    Askari Kanzu JF-Expert Member

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    Well, what are you trying to say with all this mumbo jumbo?

    Fact: Kenyan security agencies risk losing massive foreign support after a committee of the US Congress proposed to withhold funds citing human rights violations.
     
  5. Delta4

    Delta4 Senior Member

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    Mumbo Jumbo, eh? It looks like I was overly optimistic, fella!!

    We are unevenly, unfairly matched. Carry on, as-you-were!
     
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    Thank you, sir!
     
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    No, no. Tis not I you owe thanks to, man, that your gumption is wanting. Providence. And prayers.
     
  8. Askari Kanzu

    Askari Kanzu JF-Expert Member

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    Once again, thank you sir. And still, kenya may lose Sh1bn in US aid to military (the title of this thread!)
     
  9. Delta4

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    Look at these figures, and lets chat about them.

    [TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TD]Country
    [/TD]
    [TD]
    [/TD]
    [TD]2012 Budget
    [/TD]
    [TD]Pop 2009
    [/TD]
    [TD]% Kenya's Budget
    [/TD]
    [TD]Donors–factor
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Rwanda
    [/TD]
    [TD]
    [/TD]
    [TD]USD 1.8 Billion
    [/TD]
    [TD]10,5M
    [/TD]
    [TD]13.47%
    [/TD]
    [TD]32.37%
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Uganda
    [/TD]
    [TD]
    [/TD]
    [TD]USD 4.1 Billio n[/TD]
    [TD]32.4M
    [/TD]
    [TD]30.00%
    [/TD]
    [TD]29.60%
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]
    Tanzania
    [/TD]
    [TD]
    [/TD]
    [TD]USD 8.1 Billion
    [/TD]
    [TD]41.1M
    [/TD]
    [TD]61.85%
    [/TD]
    [TD]33.1%
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Kenya
    [/TD]
    [TD]
    [/TD]
    [TD]USD 13.2 Billion
    [/TD]
    [TD]39M
    [/TD]
    [TD]0%
    [/TD]
    [TD]8.7%
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Ethiopia
    [/TD]
    [TD]
    [/TD]
    [TD]USD 6.954Billion
    [/TD]
    [TD]83M
    [/TD]
    [TD]52.68%
    [/TD]
    [TD]33%
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Nairobi city
    [/TD]
    [TD]
    [/TD]
    [TD]USD 185 Million
    [/TD]
    [TD]2.5 M
    [/TD]
    [TD]
    [/TD]
    [TD]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]


    Triangulate those figures anyway you want - per capita, against GDP, per sq Km, poverty / literacy-index, child mortality, bitumen roads, etc.etc

    I will post a bit later the Defense Spending for East African Nations, including Ethiopia, for year 2011, and the projections for this year later.

    Haya, twende kazi!!
     
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    haha, mate you got him in a tight spot. He wont budge...
     
  11. Smatta

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    The operational word there Bwana Askari Kanzu is MAY, Kenya has not yet lost and it will not lose the 1 billion aid. If you took a few minutes to read and not just skim through the article you will note that this statement/decision will be overturned once the US is satisfied that the concerned parties have been well investigated and necessary legal measures taken against them, so no need to jeez your pants, at least not yet.

    ''But the government can ensure the crucial funds are not withheld if it shows that thorough investigations have been conducted to identify those responsible.''
     
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    Askari Kanzu JF-Expert Member

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    This is pathetic. You must be suffering from what I call the kenyan syndrome. Why all this hoity-toity prevarication?
     
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    Askari Kanzu JF-Expert Member

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    Exactly, and I do not see why people are getting so agitated to the point of unleashing ad hominem attacks on my persona.
     
  14. Delta4

    Delta4 Senior Member

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    Askari Kanzu - You are pathetic. Where and what is the prevarication? What do you dispute? You reckon logic is a mono-word exercise?

    Tanzania despite all your hoity-toity arrogance, are the single biggest recipients of Foreign Budgetary Support in the entire Eastern African Region including the dysfunctional Democratic Republic of Congo!!

    For every Tsh.100 spent by your Government this year on ALL GOVERNMENT SPENDING PROGRAMS, a full Tsh.33 was gifted by Foreign Governments!! Year after F@ucking year!! The Americans and Europeans own over a third of your Government, brother!!

    Even Rwanda coming out of her civil war beats Tanzania in exerting Uhuru of her Nationhood!!

    Now, cease with the juvenile retorts, and engage with rationality.
     
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    Askari Kanzu JF-Expert Member

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    speak for yourself. why are you behaving like a wounded hyena?
     
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    Mwembetayari JF-Expert Member

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    It seems logic is an allergen for some individuals on this forum. Compare the well thought out response from Delta4 to the childish and idiotic rhetoric from Askari Kanzu and company. However, for a country with the biggest begging bowl in the region, Sh1B is a mighty big deal.

    Excuse the blunt commentary but that might be the only way to make a connection with some of these geniuses.
     
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    Askari Kanzu JF-Expert Member

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    This is what I call "mental" masturbation. You probably got your daily orgasm after writing this piece, mr. mwembebado.
     
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    Mwembetayari JF-Expert Member

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    Case and point
     
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    ha ha ha ha, come back again!
     
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    It only logical guys we cool aour heads and retain rational and incisive debates AK and friends from bongo you tend to disgress
     
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