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Kenya is still miles ahead of Tanzania

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by geek, Jun 20, 2009.

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    geek Member

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    Some worrying news for our struggling economy, again we have failed to beat our neighbours. Check this out.......


    Despite its political tensions, Kenya is becoming a more attractive place to do business, the World Bank says in a new joint report. Tanzania and Uganda are meanwhile sliding toward the bottom of the global competitiveness scale, the same study finds.

    The rankings suggest that Kenya is retaining its standing as the East African country with the most favourable investment climate. The report may thus help to restore confidence in Kenya as a business destination at a time when the country is struggling to overcome a host of image problems.

    Kenya moved up six places to the 93rd spot in a survey of 134 countries included in the 2009 Africa Competitiveness Report.

    Tanzania dropped in the tables for the third consecutive year, falling during that time from 97th to 113th. Uganda has also been on a downward trajectory that has taken the country from 108th place in 2006, to 120th in 2007, and to 128th this year.

    Kenya’s advance is being powered mainly by its capacity for innovation, quality of education, and sophistication of financial markets, according to the report.

    The country exhibited strength in “the more complex areas normally reserved for countries at higher stages of development,” the World Bank observes.

    In terms of innovation, Kenya is on a par with tiger economies such as those of India and Brazil, the report states. Kenyan business’ ability to take new approaches is attributed to “high company spending on research and development and good scientific research institutions collaborating well with the business sector in research activities.”

    Tanzania, by contrast, lags in adopting new technologies, which hinders the productivity of its businesses, the report finds. It also ranks Tanzania last in the world in secondary-school enrollment rates and fourth from the bottom in university enrollments.

    Other major drags on Tanzania’s competitiveness are said to include the country’s “poor-quality roads, ports, and electricity supply, and few telephone lines.” The health of the workforce is described as “another serious concern,” due to high levels of diseases such as malaria, tuberculosis and HIV/Aids.

    The latest edition of the Africa Competitiveness Report reflects the research input of the African Development Bank and the World Economic Forum as well as the World Bank. The report was published last week in conjunction with the World Economic Forum on Africa which took place in Cape Town.

    Uganda’s slipping standing in the global competitiveness league results in part from the “very limited” availability of information and communication technology such as mobile telephones and the Internet, the report says.

    Uganda also places second from the bottom, globally, in the health and primary education component of the ranking system.
     
  2. Exaud J. Makyao

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    I'm for this report.
    Kenya is running.
    No joke.
     
  3. Shaycas

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    Few are emerging millionears
     
  4. Van Walter

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    ya wakenya wametupiga bao..wake up bongo
     
  5. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    Wabongo hebu acheni zenu aisee.

    Hii ishu ya kusema wakenya wametuzidi is like trying to
    sell the same old horse twice.Kwa hivyo nd'o iweje?..tuzidi
    kuwafagilia tu and what are we doing to better ourselves.

    Granted wamezidi in some avenues, it doesn't mean we cant
    compete.Some of the comments we make can really deflate
    vijana wakereketwa who are trying to go places and make
    a difference.

    Ukiangalia Kenya through a fine tooth comb utaona kua they are
    more poor people in Kenya today than there were 10yrs ago.
    The rich have gotten richer and the poorer are really worse off
    today. A friend of mine from there, ambaye ni mkimbizi wa kisiasa
    na anaishi Canada, aliniambia in Kenya there two tribes only - the
    rich and the poor....figure out where you lie.Kwa ufupi we are
    just the same.All we need to do is focus on our politicians to
    get them to tow the line maana raia wa kawaida tayari tunajua
    kulikoni.

    There are more avenues and resources in Tanzania than in Kenya
    nd'o maana hizi pirka pirka za kuanzisha EAC wamezidi nazo. We
    need to stay focussed and get down business. Hii habari ya
    kumsifu mwanamume mwenzio hebu tuwaacheni jamani.

    Regards to all.
     
  6. Smatta

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    Props to Kenya. Its about time, was just reading the report and Kenya is number 9 in Africa, in terms of competitiveness, and all the countries that are above us are well endowed in minerals like oil and gold.
     
  7. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    Smatta,

    Hizi ndizo posti unapenda tu...bora zinafagilia Kenya.
    Tukiponda unaanza..."ooh we are hating our neighbors..."
    Mwanamume mnakazi kweli hebu tuhabarishe na hii nayo
    je kulikoni...

    Sh6 billion lost in Kenya Pipeline scam


    By David Ohito

    Just as it was smarting from the unresolved Sh7.6billion Triton saga
    Kenya Pipeline Corporation has again been hit by a multi-billion-shilling
    scandal.

    Details of a massive fraud involving the corporation and contracted
    suppliers have emerged and the shocker is that you the taxpayer will
    pay an extra Sh6 billion sunk into a project that remains incomplete.
    It is the familiar story of cost variations for which our state corporations,
    especially the cash cows such as those in the energy sector, are legendary.
    "Unjustified scope changes were deemed to have been as a result of either
    incompetence or deliberate intention to defraud," the KPC board concedes
    in its minutes of a May 10th meeting.

    This is the project launched by the president and prime minister last
    year, only for Kenyans to learn the two had been duped. The launch
    ceremony for the project took place before KPC could attain the
    increased capacity they had greatly publicised.

    The Standard | Online Edition :: Sh6 billion lost in Kenya Pipeline scam
     
  8. Margwe

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    Mi naamini hamna nchi imefungua milango ya uwekezaji kama Tanzania,nchi ambayo inachukua mrahaba wa chini ya asilimia tatu kwa dhahabu sasa wanataka tuwape nini ndo waseme tumefungua milango?kama madini tumeamua kuwapa bure?

    wameleta sera zao,zimebinafsishwa mpaka Benki zinazojiendesha,mpaka umeme wametuingizia net-problems!

    Kwa kifupi kwa sasa haijaumbwa nchi ya kuipiga bao Bongo tunahitaji uzalendo tu!
     
  9. Smatta

    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    AB, seems that you thrive by seeing your neighbours suffering..LOL.. Why rain on the parade, fungua another thread for the pipeline scam, coz hapa sikujibu aisee. Let me bask on the reality check which will dawn on you some few years to come. Endeleeni kutuponda ndugu zanguni.
     
  10. Mzizi wa Mbuyu

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    Kenya hamna kitu labda kwa watu ambao hawajawahi kufika kule, kinacho wachanganya watu ni ile tabia ya wa Kenya kupenda Ukoloni, koloni...
    Ukifika Nairobi utakuta hadi konda wa City hopper (tuseme daladala) kavaa koti eti kama mzungu!! Kunamaeneo watu wanamiliki eneo kama Ukonga nzima mtu mmjoja tena!! ndani kuna kila kitu, barabara za lami, farasi n.k huku kina Wanjiru wengine wako hoooi! lakini ndiyo maendeleo hayo??
    Maendeleo ya mtu mmoja mmoja!!
    Ripoti za wazungu zina kwaida mno ya kufagilia watu wanaofikiria kama wao!
     
  11. Smatta

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    Buda, ulienda chuo kweli ama ulipitia tu? Yani makanga akivaa uniform nikujaribu kuwa kama mzungu? yako kali jo... kama ni illiteracy, uko mbele.

    Kenya kuna land issues, hatu deny, na zitacome kuisha, kuna reforms zinaendelea na tuko optimistic zita bear fruits, nyinyi mtabaki mkitucheka tu, na maardhi zenyu kubwa na minerals mob coz that is what differentiates us. Si tuna hustle na tuna thirst ya knowledge coz hatuna mashamba ama Tanzanite ama ma diamond za kutu provaidia food, shelter na clothing kama nyinyi, we have to use our brains to cut short the vicious cycle of poverty, ndio maana sisi ni ma enterpreneur, business people, opportunists, proffesionals, coz sir God akikunyima kitu moja ana kubless na zingine kama thao.
     
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    Wanachojaribu hawa weupe ni kufagilia jirani kama Kenya halafu muone Tz mnaachwa nyuma mfungulie au mlegeze zaidi masharti ya uiwekezaji halafu waibe mpaka mwisho. We are tired of these propaganda! What this report is portraying is not develepment as such but life modernization. For instance, what constitutes quality of secondary education, innovations etc? These are merely lip service sentenses.
    In secondary education, Tz students can competently speak swahili relative fellow Kenyans or Ugandan; is this not the truth? But the reverse has been always the case that Kenyans can competently speak English relative to Tz due to Swa-english-and this has been taken as a "quality of secondary education". Tanzania is better placed in terms of investment climate with exception of EPA and too much talkings than actions especially on serious matters such as contracts.
     
  13. Smatta

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    Tell this to the world, maybe, just MAYBE they will believe you. Do you beleive its propaganda, as in seriously, propaganda against TZ why, wakati mmewapatia minerals zote.
     
  14. Mzizi wa Mbuyu

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    Mie nilipita chuo, ila sikuwa na meza kila kitu na kukifanya msahafu kama wewe!! Nyie mnaita Uniform makoti kwa sababu mnayaheshimu sana eti mnaonekana wazungu... waaapi!!
    Hebu angalia jinsi unavyoongeaa ....bado akili yako inaonekana iko Colonised tu!
     
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    Kenya is still miles ahead of Tanzania
    Dear my friends Tanzanians, I salute you all.
    The report about Kenya competitive capacity has attracted my attention. I am in Kenya right now, and I have stayed here for five years consecutively. It is true that some few Kenyans are very rich, but majority are poor, even poorer then we are. It is true then that in the cities especially Nairobi city is richer then many of our cities such Dar, Arusha or Mwanza. But majority of the towns and villages in Kenya are poorer then most of our villages in Tanzania. People are beggars every where you go, but no one is taking care of his/her brother or sister. People are dying with hunger, waiting for the red cross to help them. such a thing will be very really find in Tz.
    Nairobi is the beautiful city, but it has more then five slums around it, and the first biggest slum in Africa (Kibera) is found in Nairobi city. Most of you my friends you don't know what slum mean or looks like. Just to give you a mental picture; in a slum like kibera, it is hardly to get a toilet. If you like have your "ramble", a plastic bag. After you finish keep it until night to throw our in Nairobi River. That is development.
    It is true also that Nairobi or Kenya has many industries compared to Tz. But try to investigate; whose those industries? who own them? Not Kenyans but either British, Indians, Americans, and other business people from abroad who have invested in Kenya. Kenyans are just managers, workers and producers. or they do share some potions in those big companies, hospitals, schools, industries, etc.
    It is true again that Kenya has very good climate which attract investors and tourists. When you talk about Kenya, then we talking about Nairobi and some few town pockets. The rest of the northern Kenya is as if it is not Kenya. No passable roads, no water, no food, electricity, generally no life, but the same Kenya, that is fun, eh!!!!
    Our big problem we Tanzanians, though most of us don't like to see and agree with this that we are like in "cocoon", we are just for ourselves. We can not dear to compete with the rest of the world. Why? One of the reason is that we are limited in communication with others, our language is the barrier when we want to express ourselves to others who are not like ourselves. Swahili is good, it is ours, but is it domesticated language. It will take us much time to universalize our language. The fact is that when we prepare ourselves, the global village is running very fast to over take us. That is why we a legging behind, not the Kenyans, but to the global village.
    We have many good things, yes. But they are undeveloped, unharvested to the maximum. Why? one of the reason is poor technology and skills. We fair to transfare or transmit the already existing knowledge and the newly invented ones. I see the way Kenyans struggling to imitate us Tanzanians in many spheres of life e.g. in bongo flava, in religious songs, even in Swahili language. But it will take them some time to catchup with us in such fields.
    Another thing which hinders us is size of our country. It is wide with semi arid areas. So we need good plan and planners who can implement the planning efficiently. Let us leave dirty politics of Kenyans, let us concentrate on development of people and things. Let us construct infrastructures, not only to the towns, but wherever needed. infrastructures like feeder road, water, electricity, telephones, etc. It is true that Kenyans have most of these things, but to whom and where? It is for the rich and it is only in town. No electricity, water, roads etc at Kibera slum though it is within the city whereby there are million of people living there.
    Let us compete in games and sports. We are no longer in the map of other nations. Why? I just hear Kenya, South Africa, Nigeria, Egypt, and so one. Where are the Taifa stars, Simba, Yanga and the rest? We are so used ourselves and we fear and hide ourselves before the global village. We are so used to the village life, we can not dare to go in town fearing noise of cars, lights and tall building that they fall on us. Come up, they are human beings like use. Let us transform ourselves from crowing to flying. It is true that Kenyans are prepared to take off, what about us. We should go the international sports, market, business, global educational standards. Come out and see the sun. Do not thing whatever we see in dark places is the source of light. It is just a kindle, lamp, star or just a moon. Come out and see the sun, the source of knowledge, the real naked truth.
    My time is over and I am rushing. But I wish you all by brothers and sisters Tanzanians, a pleasant stay, enjoy your peace which is really felt somewhere else.
    Amani Nyoni.
     
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    Sidhani kama suala la kujadili hapa ni kwamba Kenya wametupiga bao!!! We are not in a competition here. Kama Watanzania kweli tunataka maendeleo then kuna haja ya kuyatafuta na sio kupiga maneno ati ohh jamaa wametupiga bao, mara they are running!!

    If we cant walk the talk then we are doomed!
     
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    Ongea kiswahili kama kizungu cha kuchenga Nyoni. SHIDA YENYU KUBWA NI USWAHILI, MWAANGALIA JIRANI AKILA SIMA KILA SIKU MPAKA MWASAHAU KWENDA SHAMBANI KULINDA MCHELE, MTACHEKWA NYIE..

    What jazzes me in this thread is the amount of denial exhibited by some of you. Smell the coffee y'all, you living in a mirage, and one day I will be happy to burst your bubbles so that you can come back to reality. We living in an unequall world, survival for the fittest, just like the animal kingdom where only the strong survive.
     
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    mimi nasema watanzania tunachotakiwa kufanya ni kujaribu kufanya mabadiriko ktk sekta mbali mbali za uchumi ili baadaye tuwapite hata hao wakenya na wengine. Tatizo tulilo nalo sasa hivi ni kuwa na wanasiasa wa.jinga na wezi wanaoshughulikia matumbo yao tu, na hili inabidi tulivalie njuga likome.

    Kingine ni kuhakikisha tunaondoa watu kama Rostam aziz na wenzake nchini kwa sababu wanatuharibia nchi na uchumi wetu.

    Ripoti za wazungu siyo za kutilia maanani kwa sababu ndiyo hao hao (WB) walioshauri Tanesco ibinafsishe administration na leo matokeo yake nadhani kila mtu anayajua. Tanzania inabidi tulenge kuimarisha maisha ya watu wetu wa chini na hivyo tutakuwa tumefanikiwa kama kila mwananchi ataweza kupata huduma muhimu kama chakula, afya, elimu, makazi n.k.

    Ya wakenya waachie wenyewe!!
     
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    Naomba jamani hii kitu aliyosema huyu bwana ihamishiwe kwenye JOKES/UTANI.
     
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    Magezi JF-Expert Member

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    jamani hapa hatubishani na jirani zetu. Nadhani lengo ilikuwa kutoa maoni kuhusu hiyo ripoti. Kila nchi ina matatizo yake na mafanikio yake, kinachotakiwa ni kujaribu kutumia opportunities zilizopo ili tujikwamue watz kwa sababu angalau sasa wananchi wameanza kuelewa wanataka nini, tatizo bado kwa viongozi ambao wanafikiria leo tu.
     
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