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Kenya and its WAZUNGUs

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by Game Theory, May 7, 2009.

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    Game Theory JF-Expert Member

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    they practically own the fertile land in Kenya and of course they can kill black Kenyans at will

    Even the recent Kenyan civil war was indirectly caused by scarcity of arable land to black Kenyans who bled for their country lakini founding fathers wao wakaona bora ardhi ibaki kwa wazungu na hakukufanyika any meaningful land reform the result is this :

    Prominent white Kenyan convicted of manslaughter - Africa, World - The Independent


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    is it a colonial mindset au nini?
     
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    MzalendoHalisi JF-Expert Member

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    Are black Kenyans 2nd Citizens after Wazungus in Kenya?

    Kenyans are so proud of Wazungus, it is a negative mind set!

    Good the at least huyu mzungu atafungwa! The maximum sentence ni life imprisonment!
     
  3. Who Cares?

    Who Cares? JF-Expert Member

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    arghhhhhh...acha wawachinje tu...what else can they do?? maana hata hiyo fertile land wanayo then wanaweza kuwauwa njaa...ndioo...kwani blacks watalima wapi na nini?...au wakifunga viwanda vyao uchumi si utakufa..do you think kibaki will allow that just for a single kenyan blood?

    na wenzetu wasivyokuwa na demokrasia na utawala wa sheria that nzungu ataondoka na kwenda zake UK...then the chapter is closed...haya ni maoni yangu tu (ONYO: utumiaji wa maoni yangu bila ridhaa yangu unaweza kuleta madhara)
     
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    And in Tanzania we have Indians and Arabs (and the occasional white perso, our good friend Sinclair from Tanzania Royalty) stealing everything that is not nailed to the ground and nothing happens to them.

    Black Tanzanians are refused entry into certain hotels, are refused loans from banks and are generally treated with disrespect in their own country.

    I am really sick of this African mentality of thinking everything foreign or white is somehow superior to us and we must bow down to them.

    When are we going to wake up? When?
     
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    This has reminded me of one thing happened to me recently at Dar es salaam internt. DIA, It was check inn time for KLM in my front there was a mzungu, yule askari hata hakuangalia alivo bebesha mizigo kibao wala kukagua pass yake wala nini, alijichekesha tu akamwambia have a nice trip!

    Zamu yangu we... akaanza kakagua pass, document.. mizigo.. hoo pc ngapi nikamwacha alipo rizika sikumkawiza, nikamwambia we acha ushamba, mbona huyo mzungu hujamkagua lakini mimi kwa vile mmatumbi mwenzio ndo mpaka.. lo!
    Akaishia kusema siyo hivo, samahani.. nikamwambia sikukatazi kunikagua, lakini kama kazi yako ni kukagua hata yule usimuogope, mkague tu..

    But nilijifunza kwamba aisee wazungu walitupandikiza kitu mbaya, ya kujidharau hata sisi wenyewe na kuwaona wao ndo super human beings!

    Inasikitisha sana.
     
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    White Kenyan aristocrat convicted of killing black poacher


    07/05/2009 - 12:58:53
    A descendant of Kenya's most famous white settlers was convicted of manslaughter today for shooting a black poacher on his vast estate.

    It was the climax of a case that has stirred simmering tensions over race and land in Kenya.

    Eton-educated Thomas Cholmondeley (aged 40) looked down when the verdict was read. Some of his family and friends in court started crying.

    The shooting of 37-year-old Robert Njoya in 2006 was the second time in just over a year that Cholmondeley had shot dead a black man on the farm in the Rift Valley. The lake-studded region was once dubbed "Happy Valley" because of the decadent lifestyles of its colonial settlers.

    Judge Muga Apondi reduced the charge from murder to manslaughter, saying the shooting was without malice or intent. Cholmondeley has said he fired in self-defence, aiming at a pack of dogs, and that he did not see Mr Njoya. The victim was apparently poaching on the farm.

    Sentence is expected to be announced next Tuesday. The maximum for manslaughter is life in prison. Cholmondeley has already served three years since his arrest in 2006.

    Cholmondeley is the great-grandson of the third Baron Delamere, one of Kenya's first major white settlers more than a century ago. His father is the current holder of the title and Cholmondeley is his only heir.

    The case has received huge publicity because of Cholmondeley's aristocratic heritage and his grandfather's place in Kenyan lore. The fourth Baron Delamere was married to Diana Broughton, whose lover was shot in the head on the outskirts of Nairobi in the 1940s.

    Broughton's first husband, Jock Broughton, was tried for murder and acquitted, an episode that inspired the book "White Mischief," which also was made into a 1987 film starring Charles Dance and Greta Scacchi. The book highlighted the free-spending, often alcoholic ways of some of the early colonialists in Kenya.

    Charges in the earlier case against Cholmondeley were dropped amid high-level government intervention, enraging Kenyans who say he received special treatment because of who he was.

    Both cases have exposed deep tensions about the British presence in Kenya, with many citizens resentful that the best land was taken over by the British government during colonial times. After Kenya's independence in 1963, many departing settlers transferred land to Africans, with Britain underwriting some of the costs.

    Some settlers, including Cholmondeley's family, kept their land and became Kenyan citizens. But now, an increasing number of Kenyans are saying the land simply does not belong to whites.

    The farm, to which Cholmondeley is the only heir, is about 56,000 acres and prone to frequent intrusions. Many residents in the area carry rifles for safety.

    Serah Njoya, the dead man's widow, said this week she had struggled to bring up their four children since the killing.

    "I do not have a job. Life has become very hard for me," she said.

    Source: www.breakingnews.ie
     
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  8. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    This fool got away with murder.Kafungwa miezi minane tu na amini
    usiamini jela yake itakua very different na ya wafungwa wengine.

    Kenyan aristocrat gets 8 months for killing


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    NAIROBI, Kenya (CNN) -- A Kenyan judge Thursday sentenced one of the country's most famous white aristocrats to eight months in prison for fatally shooting a suspected poacher on his family estate.

    The case of Thomas Cholmondeley, 40, has highlighted the country's fractious relationship with its British colonial past. Cholmondeley is white and his victim was black.Justice Muga Apondi said he did not take race, color, wealth or status into account in deciding the sentence for Cholmondeley, who was convicted of manslaughter.

    "There should be no suggestion that there is one law for the rich and one law for the poor," Apondi said.

    In deciding what he described as a "light sentence," Apondi noted the 1,097 days that Cholmondeley has already served behind bars.

    "I do believe deeply that the process has humbled the accused person," the judge said. "This court has taken into consideration that the accused has been held in custody for slightly over three years since he was arrested."

    Cholmondeley was charged with shooting Robert Njoya, a stonemason. Njoya was on Cholmondeley's expansive Rift valley ranch and wildlife sanctuary with two others and a pack of dogs.Cholmondeley, suspecting Njoya of poaching, fired his rifle and killed him.

    "I find that there is no evidence that the accused acted with malice aforethought," Apondi said Tuesday.

    He added that the defendant tried to render first aid to Njoya after the shooting.

    Cholmondeley spent three years in a maximum-security prison while the case was beset by delays and controversy.

    Fueling public anger was another incident, in which Cholmondeley was accused of shooting a game ranger who was out of uniform. That case was dropped because of a lack of evidence.
    Cholmondeley comes from a prominent British family that includes the third Baron Delamare, who came to Kenya at the turn of the 20th century and became one of the country's most prominent white settlers.

    The Eton-educated Cholmondeley has transformed his Soysambu Ranch into a wildlife sanctuary and tourist attraction. He also has started a number of notable businesses in the region.
    Most of Kenya's white settlers left after the country's independence in 1963.Many of those who stayed took Kenyan citizenship. Though they represent a tiny fraction of the landowners in Kenya, some Kenyans resent their ownership of property

    Kenyan aristocrat gets 8 months for killing - CNN.com
     
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    miezi nane?...haha! Sheria za Afrika bwana. wewe kajaribu kufanya hivi katika nchi zao...utaozea jela!
     
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    Ndo hapo sasa....fweza inanunua hukumu!Huyu Hakimu lazima amekula
    mlungula ama amepata maagizo kutoka 'higher places' if you know what
    I'm saying.

    Kumbuka huyu ni mwaafrika wa pili anayeuwawa kwa kupigwa risasi
    na huyu mzungu.Na katika both cases amenusurika kuswekwa lupango.
    Kama waafrika kweli tujue kuna kazi.Hata katika nchi yako huna haki
    na huna mahala pa kukimbilia for justice.
     
  12. MwanaFalsafa1

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    This is unjust. Only in Africa would a judge have the audacity to give such a ruling. Only in Africa would an obvious favoring like this happen right in front of people's eyes. ONLY IN AFRICA!
     
  13. Abdulhalim

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    Naona watu mnaongea na ma-emotions kibao, lakini jaji ktk utoaji hukumu anaangalia sheria zinasemaje according to his or her professional competence , there is no room for opinions nor emotions ktk kazi za kitaalam...this is what laid down the verdict.

     
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    Mzungu mwenyewe huyu hapa chini.

    Thomas Cholmondeley on Crime & Investigation Channel C C&I.jpg
    Hapa akiwa chini ya ulinzi mkali anasindikizwa mahakamani na pingu jamaa hawataki utani polisi.

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    Hapa jamaa anasikilizia hukumu yake mahakamani.
     
  15. Chapakazi

    Chapakazi JF-Expert Member

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    Mazee, we know what the law says. Hatujasema kuwa judge katunga sheria. But you have to remember...the judge has discretion. Unajua hilo? Ndo maana penalty/sentencing clauses zinatoa the maximum option tu. Ina maana judge ana discretion katika kutoa kifungo lakini asizidi hiyo maximum iliyoandikwa katika sheria. Kwa mfano, kuiba inaweza ikasema maximum ni miaka saba. Judge anaweza kumpa miaka yeyote mpaka saba. Lakini pia katika kutoa hukumu, lazima angalia wenzake wamefanyaje katika similar scenerio na mitigating factors za hiyo kesi.
    Sentence ya manslaughter ina maximum ya life in prison, alafu unampa mtu aliyeshafanya hicho kitendo tena kwa mara ya pili miezi nane tu! Hiyo ni haki? Kwa iyo mtu akiua hata kwa bahati mbaya, miezi nane inaonekana ni haki kwako? Watu wanafungwa zaidi kwa kugonga mtu bahati mbaya na gari, huyu yeye tena ametumia silaha kabisa!! It doesnt look right!
    But yet again, the facts have been watered down to us on this publication. Cha maana ni kusoma hiyo judgment.

    Yani nikae kwao nibaguliwe, nije nyumbani nikose haki....hehehe. Afrika kuna kazi sana.
     
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    Hoja iko wazi. Jaji ametumia competence yake kutoa hukumu. Kama kuna watu hawajaridhika na hukumu sheria inatoa nafasi kwa procedure zaidi. Hamna sarakasi zaidi.
     
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    Chapakazi JF-Expert Member

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    I see he's very competent hadi kutoa hukumu ya namna hiyo.
     
  18. Makalangilo

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    Sympathising with the white man?Are you related to the colonialists in anyway?Aibu gani hii!
     
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    Sheria ni msumeno..any idea?
     
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    Fredwaa New Member

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    ain't interested
     
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