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Keep Borogonja border shut, Serengeti National Park official advises

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  1. Ngongo

    Ngongo JF-Expert Member

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    A WILDLIFE conservation official at Serengeti National Park has recommended that the Kenya-Tanzania Borogonja border should remain shut to save both the park's environment and revenue among Tanzanian tour companies.

    The Borogonja border entry point in northern Tanzania was shut down in the past to prevent Kenyan tour operators from taking too much advantage of Serengeti National Park at the expense of Tanzanian tour operators and the environment, the Head Conservator of Serengeti National Park, Mtango Mtahiko, told Tanzania's Parliamentary Public Accounts Committee (PAC) which is visiting the national park this week. He recommended that the border should remain shut.

    Kenyan tour operators used to sneak tourists 17 kilometres into the Serengeti in Tanzania through the Kenyan Maasai Mara Game Park, saying it is all part of the Maasai Mara at the expense of Tanzanian tour operators. This was made possible through laxity at the Borogonja border area, according to Mtahiko. Tourists came into Tanzania; they watched the animals and returned back to Kenya without paying a cent, which necessitated the establishment of a border post in that area.

    The situation will revert back to the old way if the Borogonja border is opened, he said, arguing that there will be many disadvantages if this border post is opened. Disadvantages will include environmental degradation while Tanzanian tour companies will not be able to benefit from the park.

    "My advice is that this border should not be opened because this is going to affect tourism in Tanzania. The government should think about this now that the country has signed co-operation agreements," Mtahiko said, adding that Kenyans have been putting pressure to force construction of a tarmac road in the park, something which is not good. The pressure has been that the road should pass through areas like Nyamrumbwa, an area known to be a breeding ground for animals.

    The Tanzania National Parks (TANAPA) Acting Managing Director, Allan Kijazi, said construction of a tarmac road in the Serengeti will bring the same consequences as those faced by Mikumi National Park where a tarmac road passes right in the middle of the park. Many animals are killed by being knocked by speeding cars.

    Raphael Chegeni, a committee member who is Member of Parliament for Busega Constituency, said politicians should take into consideration the advice they get from technocrats. The committee has completed its tour of the Serengeti. Their next leg will be Manyara National Park and later Tarangire National Park.

    Source:This day.
     
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    Safi sana wanasiasa tuzingatie ushauri wa wataalamu.EAC ni ujanja wa Kenya kutaka kutumia vivutio vya Tanzania kwa faida yao.Masaimara ni kambuka kadogo sana wala hakana maana ukilinganisha na mbuga ya wanyama ya serengeti inayotambuliwa kimataifa kama maajabu ya dunia.
     
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    You start a thread and your first post is abusive, I seriously question your intelligence (I doubt if you have any BTW). You are not the sharpest pencil in the box because what you have copy pasted (your strongest ability by the way) is a viable issue, which could bring a good discussion but with the abuses that you spew, its a shame that you will kill it instead of letting it die a natural death. But I understand, your educational system is seriously wanting.
     
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    Wanaanza Borogonja kesho watataka Lake Victoria kusiwe na mipaka halafu wataomba Kilimanjaro kwasababu inaonekana kenya watalii wapande mlima huko huko Kenya.Hii mijamaa iandhani bado tumelala temeshastukia janja yao.
     
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    Bado mmelala kaka
     
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    Land not EAC common market issue
    By Staff Reporter
    [​IMG]President Jakaya Kikwete has assured Arusha residents and the rest of Tanzanians that despite the newly signed EA common market protocol there should be no concern about land being taken by foreigners.
    “We have agreed among the heads of state that despite freedom of movement among our people, the issue of land ownership will still be subject to the governing laws of each country,” stated Kikwete at Sheikh Amri Abeid Stadium in Arusha, during the climax of ceremonies to mark the 10th Anniversary of the East African Community last Friday
    [​IMG]Mr. Kikwete, who is now the new chairman of the East African Summit of the heads of state, admitted that Tanzanians were especially sensitive to matters regarding land ownership and expressed gratitude to leaders of the remaining four countries Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi for being accommodating in this matter and letting the issue of land remain in
    the mandate of each state.

    “We have also agreed during our earlier meeting today (on Friday) that despite the signed common market protocol, a member state should decide in which area it is comfortable to invite other EA member states to participate in and the countries will not be forced to accommodate others in areas they deem sensitive,” added Kikwete amid cheers from thousands of residents.
    He did however remind Tanzanians that they have nothing to fear on the issue as all signs indicate that the country will not be swallowed by other EA member states as it has been speculated.
    “Tanzania’s exports to other East African countries rose from US $48 million at the turn of the new millennium in 2000 to more than US $353 million as of last year,” he said. He added that even business between Tanzania and Kenya is favoring the former.
    He concluded, “We have trade surplus with Kenya, which means Tanzania has of late has been exporting more to Kenya than Kenya has and therefore the fears that we are going to end up as market for the country’s products are unfounded”.
    Land has been the most sensitive areas to Tanzanians as they join the common market agreement as the rest of the[​IMG] member states are either over populated or the limited arable land they have is in the hands of a few capitalists or feudal lords.
    According to Tanzanian laws foreigners, whether East Africans or not, are not allowed to own land but it could be leased to them when cleared after meeting conditions as investors through the Tanzania Investment Center.
     
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    Smatta

    unaendelea kutufuatafuata tu. Fuata nyuki, iko siku utaipata habari yake. Nini kinakuwasha? Unadhani unaweza kulazimisha watanzania kuungana na Kenya? You don't know the history of this country, we are not that cheap, our bargaining chip is too high to unite with desperate people like you. You screwep up yourselves in land distribution, now you r turning to Tanzania. Si biashara mnayotaka, maana hata nayo naona hamuiwezi, ingekuwa biashara, mbona hata wachina tunafanya nao. Kinachowawasha ni ardhi, urithi wa babu zetu. Tutakufa na mtu, kwa hili. Nenda mkabanane Mau forest kwenye catchment area, na pia mkamwagilie majangwa yenu ambayo ni nusu ya nzima ya Kenya. Poia, mnataka mje mfanye kazi ambazo waTZ wanaweza bila vibali, kwa taarifa yako, Tanzania ina vyuo vikuu zaidi ya 30 sasa hivi, na vinamwaga graduates kila mwaka, kama hujui, ndio hao hao watawatoa maofisini mkiwa unchi na kuwarudisha Kibera, Huruma na Dandora slums mkabanane huko. Kwanza raslimali zetu zimewatajirisha, mnaiba Samaki kwenye ziwa letu Victoria (mna just 9% of it) na Mt. Kilimanjaro mnadanganya watalii eti ya kwenu, pia mnapitisha watalii kwenye mbuga zetu kiwizi wizi, kwa kuvizia. Raslimali zetu zinachangia si chini ya 25% ya GDP ya Kenya (we donate to you, kwa wizi wenu, sasa mnataka kuja wote..hehe hehe, yatakayowakuta mtajuta. Halafu usinifuate kwenye kila thread yangu ninayokwenda!
     
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    Wajinga ndio waliwao, na wewe na wengine kama wewe ni wajinga na mtazidi kuliwa mpaka kiama, uswahili tu ndio umewajaa, mwapiga domo hapa na hakuna chochote mwafanya ama mwazuia, its a shame that the best you can do ni kuketi vijiweni mki fyata midomo, then you put all your blame into Kenyans entrepreneurial spirit, instead of getting off your backs and do something worthwhile with your life. Waswahili bana
     
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    Sema kuhusu 40% unemployment rate of Kenya! Is that what Kenyan entreprenurial spirit is all about? 1 million slum, the largest in Africa! Kenyan innovation? 4% of Kenyans owning more than 75% of arable land, again a Kenyan business prowess? Uvamizi wa Mau forest? Jeshi la Mungiki, mafanikio ya Kenya nayo? Kwani Kenya hakuna waswahili? Unaongelea Waswahili kama watu wanaoongea Kiswahili au Kama utamaduni? Hii ni tungo tata! Na si kila mtu Tanzania ni Mswahili kama hujui! We may be having problems, but w r not coming to you for a solution, u r coming to us. Try Somalia please. Give us a break, get out of behinds! Kwa maana nyingine umekubali kuwa nyie ni wezi!
     
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    And if you were good and useful people like you lying, everybody would be welcoming u with open arms. But the opposite is the fact, u forget that we know u in and out. Hakuna mtu anachukia kitu kizuri, sadly u r just a liability to us! Nobody is ready to welcome problems.
     
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    Unemployment yenu ni 36%, whats the difference you dweeb? you talking as if your unemployment rate is 4%....

    Sikatai hiyo ya hosing problem coz its known that any developing country usually has this problem because of rural urban migration, na kwani haujaona the new highrises being built to replace the slums(cheaper housin)... thats why in the new proposed constitution we are opting for majimboism so that we can ensure that all the regions develop at the same pace to reduce flocking of people to the major towns.

    About the 4% owning more than 75% of land, thats a big lie, we have land distribution problems, where the elite in the kenyatta and Moi regime took a large chunk of goverment land, kuna kitu ina itwa Ndungu report (am sure youve never heard of it), itatumika ku reclaim all public land from grabbers, the Mau is the first step, the rest will follow, if you dont beleive, Moi's kiptanich farm will be reposesed by the Gvt this week. LAND REFORMS, most of the leases given to pple will be revoked.

    jeshi la Mungiki (if there is anything like that) ishakufa, the top leadership is willing to say the politicians who used to bank roll it, most of its officials are either dead or arrested, only time will tell.

    Na namaanisha uswahili kama culture, wewe ni mswahili, mimi si mswahili lakini nimetoka pande za pwani mwa Kenya, umeshika radar we werii?
     
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    hahhahahahaha... wewe ngwea kila mtu ame tu accept except nyinyi, mnaogopa compe, you know you cant do ish when we are around, toka njee ya your comfort zone hapo ilala, tembea u minle na watu ujue tofauti ya mbivu na mbichi coz right now you talkin as if Tanzania is heaven and your capital city cant even match with upper hill or even Kisumu, pliz, mmeshindwa na nchi yenyu wacha watu wengine wakuje kuwasaidia kujenga. Ama bado mnahitaji time ya ku catch up... hehhehehe,, thats quote is epic.. Hamtawahi catch up nasi, hata tukipigana kila siku, sisi twa reform nyie mnaangalia tu...
     
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    Confined and narrow thinking,
    ndiyo tatizo lenu kubwa, those few areas do not depict the fact on the entire ground of kny.

    Tafadhali, jaribu kuwa na upana wa kufikiri na kuelewa mambo.
     
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    Huu ni upuzi kaka!!
     
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    purely nonsense ,umelewa chang'aa!! Hao ni entrepreneurs au wamachinga tu?You lack something to coordinate your mind ..
     
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    I wrote that post in 2009, thats about 5 years back and now am much older and I bet a bit wiser, but still stand by what I believed back then; you guys will always play second fiddle to Kenya, hata mwaka ujao tukichinjana hamtotufikia ki vyovyote.
     
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    nilishasema nchi ikiongozwa na mvuta weed basi maluweluwe yake ni kutaka kwenda popote pasipopitika,
    leo atatokea HIMO na kuishia NAMANGA kesho TERAKEA ROMBO akarudie SIRARI
    Du namkumbuka IDD DADA AMINI na MTUKULA
     
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