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Karume: No elections next year in Zanzibar if...

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  1. BAK

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    By Salma Said, Zanzibar
    THE CITIZEN
    2009-11-16

    Zanzibar President Amani Abeid Karume says no eligible voter will be left out in the registration of voters in the Isles ahead of next year's elections.

    President Karume told reporters at Zanzibar Airport on Saturday evening that the elections would not be held if all eligible Zanzibaris would not be registered.

    He was speaking after arriving from Dar es Salaam where earlier in the day he received an honorary doctorate degree from the Hubert Kairuki Memorial University in recognition of his role in the eradication of malaria in Zanzibar.

    President Karume said Zanzibar would be reduced into a laughing stock if the elections went ahead despite some Zanzibaris having been denied their democratic right to register as voters.

    Mr Karume made the remarks at a time when hundreds of supporters of the opposition Civic United Front in Pemba claim that they have been denied registration because they don't hold Zanzibari residency identity cards.

    CUF officials maintain that the authorities are using the exercise to update the permanent voter register to sabotage the party ahead of next year's elections in which Zanzibaris will elect their president and members of the House of Representatives.

    The Zanzibar Electoral Commission, on the other hand, has denied the accusation, saying no Zanzibari who has met all conditions has been denied registration.

    However, President Karume's promise is likely to prove significant, coming a few days after holding historic talks with CUF secretary-general Seif Shariff Hamad, during which the two men agreed to resolve their longstanding differences.

    President Karume made it clear on Saturday that his promise that all eligible Zanzibaris would be registered as voters was not a condition set during his meeting with Mr Seif, hitherto his fiercest critic.

    He said his reaching an agreement with Mr Seif to work together for the betterment of the lives of Zanzibaris did not mean that conditions were set during the meeting at State House.

    President Karume said he had been praying for peaceful, free and fair elections next year.

    "We want both the winners and losers to accept the results this is possible only if the elections are free and fair," said Mr Karume, who will not seek re-election after serving his second and final five-year term.

    In another development, President Karume said he would appoint two CUF members to the House of Representatives once he received their names from the opposition party.

    Under an agreement reached several years ago, President Karume is supposed to appoint two CUF members to the House of Representatives, but he has not done so partly because of the party's now-abandoned stance not to recognise him as President of Zanzibar following the disputed elections in 2000 and 2005.

    President Karume commended Mr Hamad for his "bold" decision to publicly announce that CUF had decided to recognise his Government.

    "Zanzibaris are one people we should not allow minor things to divide us. Whether one comes from Unguja, Pemba, Tumbatu, Kojani, Fundo and Uzi is irrelevant. The important thing is that all are Zanzibaris," he said.

    Meanwhile, CUF's women's wing has apologised to Mr Hamad after he was heckled when he announced that CUF had decided to recognise President Karume.

    The wing's deputy executive secretary, Ms Zahra Ali Hamad, said yesterday that it was "regrettable" that Mr Hamad was heckled and shouted down by hundreds of women who attended the rally at Demokrasia grounds earlier this month.

    "We apologise for our behaviour that day. We did not understand the message that was being put across we've now understood, and we are sorry," she said.

    She said many CUF women supporters were bewildered when Mr Hamad made the announcement because "they were still thinking of the hardships they have endured under the CCM rule".

    Ms Ali said CUF women members were proud to be among the agents of change in Zanzibar, and praised Mr Hamad for his "exemplary" leadership.

    Mr Hamad accepted the apology, and said he had forgiven those who heckled him because "they didn't know what my message meant".

    "I wasn't angry, I was smiling even when people we screaming here because I knew no one among you is against me," he said.

    Mr Hamad said it was not easy to meet President Karume and agree to end hostilities, adding that he was not surprised that some people became hysterical when he made the announcement.

    CUF supporters protested angrily after Mr Hamad announced that the party had agreed to recognise President Karume's government, prompting the public rally called a day after the State House meeting to end in chaos.
     
  2. Kibunango

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    Vizuri sana....
     
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    As much as I would like to go into the issue, I must point out a distracting dereliction of the most basic rules of journalistic integrity, attribution, sourcing and quotations.

    Before going out any further, I would not like to neglect the possibility of President Karume making such a nonsensical statement as the above quoted.The only reason I am letting him off the hook and concentrating on the journalistic integrity of the reporter is because Karume is not quoted directly as having said the attributed.

    The above quoted statement, made by the journalist, is not supported anywhere else in the piece by a direct quote.This lead me to conclude that - discounting the case of a Karume overpromising slip - the journalist's powers of comprehension, interpretation and narration are severely lacking.

    Indeed, the only direct quote attributed to President Karume is "We want both the winners and losers to accept the results this is possible only if the elections are free and fair,"
    The fallacy of the far above quoted statement statements lies in the unverifiability of the registration of all eligible Zanzibaris. How can you ensure that all eligible Zanzibaris are registered? There are eligible Zanzibaris in Likoni Mombasa and Stockholm Sweden, are they going to be registered too? What about those who are in Zanzibar and eligible but do not care for the electoral system, are they going to be forced just to be able to say all eligible voters are registered?

    This points to the ever deteriorating quality of our so called journalism.Even a person with the most basic of understanding of logic would question the validity of an exercise to register "all eligible Zanzibaris". The callous irresponsibility demonstrated by this macabre cancer is deepened by the fact that it is not merely an isolated incident, but an established trend.

    This simpleton-like mentality of giving sweeping unverifiable statements must be stopped at once if our reporting is to be taken seriously, and if indeed the president did utter these words, this intellectually sombre diction betrays a horrible plight for our nation.

    Show me someone who cannot organize words and I will show you one that cannot organize thoughts.
     
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    B-ray acha kuchanganyikiwa. Watu wa Likoni na Sweden (hata wawe na asili ya Zanzibar wanaipataje elegibility ya kupiga kura? kwa mujibu wa sheria za uchaguzi za Zanzibar?
     
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    Obviously you did not get my point. Wanasema kura hazitapigwa mpaka kila mtu aliye eligible asajiliwe. Utawezaje ku verify kwamba kila mtu aliye eligible kupiga kura amekuwa registered? Hata kama ukichukua miaka 1,000 kufanya verification process, ukimuacha mtu mmoja tu aliye eligible kura inabidi zingojee kila mtu.Sasa katika situation kama hiyo verification process kwamba kila mtu aliye eligible kasajiliwa itafanyikaje?

    Tuache kupigiana hadithi za abunuwasi na tuwe serious for a minute. Au hizi loose talk zishakubalika kuwa "Standard operating Procedure" ndani ya bongo? Kiasi kwamba yule anayedemand precision ndiye anaonekana mwehu?
     
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    On second thoughts the above quoted statement is logically inconsistent.

    Ukishasema "if all eligible Zanzibaris would not be registered" then automatically hamna election, you don't need Karume to declare that truism.

    If

    All eligible Zanzibaris = not registered

    Then automatically hamna election, atakayepiga kura nani wakati all eligible Zanzibaris are not registered?

    On the other hand if the reported meant "If any eligible Zanzibari would not be registered" then this raise the verifiability issue I raised above.

    Waandishi Kiingereza kinawapiga chenga.

    Wahariri wamelala usingizi wa pono.

    Viongozi hawajui wanachosema!
     
  7. simplemind

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    Baadhi ya wanzanzibari wakazi hapo hapo unguja/pemba are dis en fran chised sembuse waliopo likoni au sweden.Sheria pungufu zisiwe excuse ya kuminya haki ya mwananchi kupiga kura.Shuhudia democracy Sudan below.

    (The government of Sudan has now opened voter registration centres in three Sub-Saharan countries previously left out by the National Elections Commission.

    Sudanese nationals in Diaspora will now be able to register and participate in the 2010 elections from South Africa, Kenya and Uganda. Another centre has also opened in Malaysia bringing the countries identified by NEC for the exercise to 14.)
     
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    Ningeelewa kama wangesema "hakuna Mzanzibari aliye eligible atakayetaka kusajiliwa na kukosa nafasi" or something along those lines.

    Lakini this issue ya "the elections would not be held if all eligible Zanzibaris would not be registered." haiko logically consistent.
     
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    Sawa. Nafikiri ni kweli wadau wenzangu siku hizi wanalala usingizi wa pono. Hii si hali nzuri.
     
  10. Mzee Mwanakijiji

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    kama ataandikishwa mpiga kura mmoja basi huyo mmoja anatosha kabisa kusababisha uchaguzi mkuu uwepo! are these peope i.diots? Sheria haisemi waandikishwe "eligible voters wote!" ndio uchaguzi uwepo!
     
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    At the risk of sounding presumptious, I have a hunch - if only in order to make sense out of nonsense- walichotaka kuandika ni "hakuna Mzanzibari aliye eligible atakayetaka kusajiliwa na kukosa nafasi" ila wame butcher delivery na maana nzima.

    I won't be surprised kama aliye butcher ni Karume mwenyewe, inawezekana pia hii maana imekuwa distorted na muandishi. Of course the even deadlier combination of the two is also highly possible.

    Kwa sababu hamna direct quotes, hatuwezi kujua Karume alisema nini na muandishi kasema nini.

    Yaani mwandishi anaacha kuweka a direct quote on the most central part of the piece, anaenda kuweka a direct quote on some hum-drum boilerplate about free and fair elections, in Zanzibar of all places!
     
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    Wakuu zangu,
    Mnaona sasa niliyoyasema!..
    CCM siku zote huleta watu toka bara kupiga kura Zanzibar na ikiwa Wazanzibar wote watajiandikisha ina maana CCM wanaweza kabisa kuiba kura kirahisi lakini kama ingekuwa tu kwa wakazi wa Zanzibar CUF ingekuwa mshindi.. Kama hujui kusoma alama za wakati ni vigumu sana kunielewa.
     
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    Speaking of ugumu wa kueleweka.

    Kitu pekee ambacho ni kigumu kukielewa hapa ni jinsi gani umeweza kuelewa sentensi isiyoeleweka.
     
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    Ndio ilivyo mkuu wangu.. kasome Biblia au kuran utaelewa zaidi.
     
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    Bluray JF-Expert Member

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    Biblia na Kurani sasa unajiconvolute kabisa mwenyewe, mwishowe uta conclude kama rais wako "mapenzi ya mungu hayo" si ndiyo bottom line ya biblia na Kurani?

    Ukiamini Biblia na Kurani hata huu uwanaharakati wa hapa JF utakuwa bure tu.

    Biblia na Kurani ni tools za oppression.
     
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