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Jordan is Palestine

Discussion in 'International Forum' started by October, Dec 7, 2010.

  1. October

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    Dutch politician Geert Wilders was in Israel on Sunday and gave a speech in Tel Aviv at a conference of the HaTikvah movement, headed MK Prof. Aryeh Eldad (National Union).

    Before the conference, MK Eldad spoke with Israel National News TV and explained his own proposed two-state solution in which two states refers to the State of Israel and the Kingdom of Jordan.

    Wilders, who is the leader of the Dutch Party for Freedom and who has been a staunch critic of Islam, started his speech by saying that Israel “is an immense source of inspiration for me.” He added that he is “not ashamed to stand with Israel, but proud. I am grateful to Israel. I will always defend Israel. Your country is the cradle of Western civilization. We call it the Judeo-Christian civilization with good reason.”

    Wilders blamed the Arab leaders as well as Islam for what he called “the plight of the Palestinians in refugee camps in Lebanon, Gaza, and other places,” and said that ‘Palestine’, where many say that the PA Arabs should return, is, in fact located in Jordan.

    “Israel, including Judea and Samaria, has been the land of the Jews since time immemorial,” said Wilders. “Judea means Land of the Jews. Never in the history of the world has there been an autonomous state in the area that was not Jewish. The Diaspora of the Jews, which began after their defeat by the Romans in 70 [C.E.], did not lead to the departure of all the Jews from their ancient homeland. Jews had been living in the Jordan Valley for centuries until the Arab invaders drove them out in 1948, when the provinces of Judea and Samaria were occupied by the Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan, which abbreviated its name to Jordan in 1950. And until 1967, when Israel regained the ancient Jewish heartland of Judea and Samaria, no one, not a single Islamic scholar or Western politician, ever demanded that there be an independent Palestinian state in the so-called West Bank.”

    He added that Israel must not trade land for peace and not “assign Judea and Samaria to another Palestinian state – a second one, next to Jordan,” since, as he said, the conflict in the Middle East is not a conflict over territory, but rather an ideological battle.

    Wilders mentioned the expulsion from Gaza of 2005 and said that this “sacrificing” of land by Israel did not attain peace but rather made the situation worse, simply because the conflict is ideological.

    “Ideologies must be confronted with the iron will never to give in, ‘never, never, never, never – in nothing, great or small, large or petty.’ That is the lesson which the world learned from Winston Churchill when he confronted the evil ideology of Nazism,” said Wilders.

    He added that Israel needs defendable borders and that for this reason Jews must settle Judea and Samaria. Wilders called the Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria “an expression of the Jewish right to exist in this land. They are tiny outposts of freedom, defying ideological forces which deny not only Israel but the entire West the right to live in peace, dignity and liberty.”

    Wilders also said that Islam threatens not just Israel, but the entire world, and added that “Without Judea and Samaria, Israel cannot protect Jerusalem. The future of the world depends on Jerusalem. If Jerusalem falls, Athens and Rome – and Paris, London and Washington – will be next.”

    As for the PA Arabs, Wilders said that “Since Jordan is Palestine, it is the duty of the Jordanian government to welcome all Palestinian refugees who voluntarily want to settle there.”

    “Allowing all Palestinians to voluntarily settle in Jordan is a better way towards peace than the current so-called two-states-approach (in reality a three-states-approach) propagated by the United Nations, the U.S. administration, and governing elites all over the world,” he said. “We only want a democratic non-violent solution for the Palestinian problem. This requires that the Palestinian people should be given the right to voluntarily settle in Jordan and freely elect their own government in Amman. If the present Hashemite King is still as popular as today, he can remain in power. That is for the people of Palestine to decide in real democratic elections. My friends, let us adopt a totally new approach. Let us acknowledge that Jordan is Palestine.

    Wilders concluded his speech by saying: “Toda raba [thank you]… And shalom to all of you.”

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  2. October

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    I agree totally with Mr Wilders. Palestinian state has never existed. There is no Palestinian Language.
    70% of Jordanians consider themselves to be Palestinians, so it is natural that the the so called Palestinians could easily be assimilated in Jordan than in Israel..

    So the two state solution should be the state of Israel and the Hashimite Kingdom of Jordan.
     
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    yes-its often true-there should be nothing called Palestinian state
     
  4. Kinyambiss

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    Great you people are geniuses. I m sure no one thought of this solution before. Very very smart. Idiotas..!!
     
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    is it true? true of God
     
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    Kaka taratibu ndugu yangu, jaribu kuacha ushabiki kwenye serious issues. Hili jukwaa halikukosewa kuitwa jukwaa la Great Thinkers.
     
  7. October

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    Huu sio Ushabiki. It is true. I happened to visit Amman Jordan Sometimes ago, it is true that everybody you ask tells you she/he is a Palestinians and many people have relatives living in the East side of Jordan River which is West Bank. The statistics are shocking because more that 70% of Jordanian Population of 5Million people are Palestinians.

    Palestinians people in the west of River Jordan stated to exist in 1948 before that they were all Arabs of the same ancestry with those living in what in now Jordan, It is a fact that Palestinian Language does not exist, Palestinians nation has never existed. All this "Palestinian thing" on the west of Jordan river was done to create chaos in oder to repel Israel and force them out of their Land.
    If you ask any Jordanian where the borders of Palestine are they will tell you The Mediterranean Sea is the border, they will also mention Tel-Aviv as a city of Palestine. This is what they believe and this is what they teach their children in schools. The one and only goal of the &#8216;Palestinians' is the total destruction of Israel and removal of Israel from their historical Land, Nothing more, nothing less. All this whining and crying about two state solution is just a mechanism to get a lauching pad for other attack on Israel because the goal is to eliminate Israel.

    So the best solution to solve this problem is to allow the Jordanians who call themselves Palestinians to go to their rightful country and re unite with their countrymen in Jordan. This is where they belong because Jordan is Palestine.

    This issue of thinking that one day they will kick Israel and push them to the Mediterranean sea is an illusion which they must not expect to happen. Israel is a reality and it will continue to be there.
     
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    Naona unapiga ngoma na kuicheza Mwenyewe hapo hapo October! Ngoja ujibiwe Kiswahili kwanza na kama haufahamu kizungu kitakuja:

    1) Huyo extrimist Mkiristo anaechukia Waislam na watu wote wasio Weupe(Wa Zungu) hata walio wakisristo kama yaye na Thanks God hata kwa Wazungu wenziwe wana matatizo naye umeona katoa point ya kumtanzaga. Angelikuwa Muislam wangelimwita majina mia! Lazima ujifunze kuna kila aina ya vichwa na sumu na uchambua kabla ya kuruka ovyo.

    2) Nona kasahau kusema kuwa America USA,Canada,Australia, NZ, wazungu wote warudi Ulaya. Na makaburu wa Africa ya Kusini pia warudi Holland.

    3) Halafu tutaanza kufafanua Africa na Makabila gani ya Tanzania yarudi wapi yalikotoka.

    Naon kasahua kusema wale wale Mayahudi kwa vizao zaidi ya 50 walikuwa wakindwa na WAISLAM na kupokelewa wakati Wakiristo wa Kizungu wakiwapiga na kuwatawanya.Pia kazau ni chini ya miaka 60 tu milioni 6 wa Kiyahudi waliteketea kwa Hitler- Mjerumani na jirani yake. Yeye na baba yake walikuwa wapi asiwalinde na kuwapokea? Nani aliyewpokea kisha wakageuka. Huo ndio unafiki na unajurikana tuliuisha usoma katika vitabu!. Hawezi kuubalisha ukweli haki na ubatil.


    Sijui umefahamu kidogo?
     
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    Tatizo kubwa watu ambao si Waislam, wanaleta mada nzito humu juu ya Uislam na matukio yanayo fanana na hayo......... halafu wachangiaji pia wanakua ni hao hao. wanaishia kujichanganya na kufanya upotoshaji(hata mila na desturi za watu na makabila zinahusishwa na Uislam). Uislam kanuni yake kuu ni kujenga "HOJA" kupitia maandiko. Na si kukesha mtu antoa maoni na mtazamo wake! humu ndani kama ni kweli ni jukwaa la "Great Thinkers" watu wasiogope kuuliza masuala wasio yajuwa then watu tuwajengee HOJA zilizoambatana na "AUTHORITIES".....yaani na ushahidi! "ALLAH" ameisifu DINI yake(Uislam) kuwa umekamilika! Leteni hoja na muombe ufafanuzi, bila shaka mtapewa DAAH'WA !
    Ass'salaam aleikum!
     
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    kwa hiyo unamaanisha nini hapa wewe Mkabera?
     
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    Mr Wilders ameongea vyema kabisa katika speech yake,maana Israeli ni taifa lililokuwepo toka enzi na enzi wala hakuna ubishi wowote, nahao wapalestina na Joardan ni kitu kimoja na wanachokifanya kwa sasa ni kama kutojuana lakini ikitokea Israeli wakawaachia eneo wanalolitaka basi hapo ndio utakapo ona Jordani na Plaestine wakiungana kwa haraka sana na kupigana na Israeli ili kumwangamiza kabisa. Mpaka leo palestine bado wanaamini eti Jerusalemu ni mji wao mkuu, jamani hata mtoto mdogo atakwambia kuwa huo ni mji wa Israeli tangu vizazi vya zamani.
    suluhisho la hapa ni kuwaweka tu pamoja hao wapalestina na Joardani kuwa taifa moja, zaidi ya hapo hakuna ardhi yeyote watakayopata toka Israeli.
     
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    As a believer in Jewish Roots and a believer in TORAH ... Geert is my HERO. May the G-D of Abraham, Isaack, and Jacob bless him.Until less than 100 years ago Jordan was called East Palestine.The trouble is that the Arabs are nor really interested in another state, but in the destruction of Israel. As Mr. Wilders said, the conflict is not over territory, but is ideological. Even if the Arabs accepted settlement in Jordan, they would still be most interested in destroying Israel.
     
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    mtafute mtu aitwaye MAXSHIMBA....then um-PM HII MESEJI YAKO KWA MAJIBU ZAIDI
     
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    Kwa wanaoping hii Hoja nina maswali matatu:
    1. Wapalestina waliishi taifa gani mwaka 4 B.C?
    2. Kabla ya mwaka 1967, atu gani waliitwa wapalestina?
    3. nini maana na wapi liliamzia neno Palestina?
     
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    :target:
     
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    a) Usipoeleza maana ya "taifa": Hakuna mataifa mwaka 4 KK
    b) Walewale kama mwaka 1947
    c) Mwaka 135 BK hakika (jimbo la Kiroma, lakini hawakuwa wa kwanza kutumia neno maana walichagua neno lilikuwepo tayari)
     
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    Ukitafuta habari za Uislamu umwulize mti kando la nyumba yako au umwulize mtu wa pili atakayepiga hodi kwako nyumbani kuanzia kesho - heri usimwulize huyu Bwana.
     
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    huyu kipala kavamia huku! Haya jibu maswali kama yalivyoulizwa na si kama yasivyoulizwa
     
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    Hoja kwa hoja au ni UBISHI WA SIMBA NA YANGA!? kuanzia juu mpaka chini sijaona "QUOTES" zozote ziwe za vitabu vya Dini au Historian ku justify mnayoyasema! ndio maana nikasema humu nina mashaka na Great thinkers..................otherwise haya mambo yamo katika QURAN na AGANO La KALE (Ubahatike ambalo halijachakachuliwa sana) utapata mpaka mipaka na Ramani!
     
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    hapo kwenye red nadhani pitia kamusi utapata tafsiri sahihi ya hilo neno, hiyo lugha ina wenyewe, sio ile ya maandishi ya kutoka kulia kwenda kushoto.
     
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