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JK ,EL, kitimutimu?

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by utu wangu, May 12, 2008.

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    utu wangu Member

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    Wajameni Naomba Data Kwa Mwenye Nazo Hasa Kwa Wenzetu Walio Tz.
    Ni Kweli Hawa Maswahiba Wawili (jk,el)hawaivi Tena Chungu Kimoja?habari Tulizozipata Ni Kwamba Muungwana Kachoshwa Na Ubinafsi Wa Huyu Mwenzie Na Ukiukwaji Wa Makubaliano Yao Kabla Ya Kutwaa Madaraka.
    Ndo Maana Akamtoa Kafara Kwenye Ishu Ya Richmond Ili Kumzima Spidi Yake.

    Je Kuna Ukweli Wowote Au Ni Kiini Macho?mwenye Data Atumwagie Tafadhali.
     
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    Mutu JF-Expert Member

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    liesemamalo lipo...ngoja tusikie wenye data wansemaje .
    Ila kulingana na mimi sioni kama EL katolewa kafara na JK kwa maana chombo kilichohusika ni bunge sio serikali.Sasa hapo I don't see the connection.
    Isijekuwa ni ni taarifa za kutuosha akili kuwa JK ni antifisadi.
     
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    Lambardi JF-Expert Member

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    Siasa mchezo mchefuu.....jamani lolote linawezekanaa...hata mimi naliona kwa mbali sanaa....lawezekana...jamaa amekuwa mpole sana na hasisikiki tenaa..akifanya mchezo atapoteza ubungee...
     
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    Bubu Msemaovyo JF-Expert Member

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    SKILLS4EVER hata mimi ninaiona ule ukaribu uliokuwako kabla umezimika, lakini tusubiri kusije kuwa na mtandao wa chini chini wa kiuhusiano. Kama hili lipo basi ni heri na ushindi kwa wananchi tunaoumia kwa kunyonywa waziwazi na viongozi wetu. Mungu zidi kutupatia nguvu ya kukabiliana na mafisadi hawa.
     
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    Silas A.K JF-Expert Member

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    EL na JK kwasasa wanauhusiano wa kinafiki na kama habari za mwanahalisi iliyopita kuhusu kuwepo kwa kambi inayofanya kampeni Tanzania nzima ili wapate nafasi ya kugombea 2010 ni kweli basi hiyo kambi lazima itakuwa inapata ufadhili wa EL na RA. Hakuna ubishi kwamba EL ni billionare kwahiyo kufund shughuli kama hizo akishirikiana na mshirika wake RA siyo suala gumu.Ikitokea EL akitaka kugombea uongozi wa nchi 2010 hata mimi nitaingia katika kampeni ya kummaliza,nipo tayari kuacha shughuli zangu zinazonipatia kipato ili nipite nchi nzima kuwaonyesha watanzania ubaya wa huyu dhalimu. Mungu ibariki Tanzania!
     
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    Phillemon Mikael JF Gold Member

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    ...ni kweli hilo linasemwa hapa nyumbani...kuwa hawa wajamaa walikuwa wamekubaliana kuachiaana madaraka...na jk aliona spidi ya mwenzake ilikuwa kubwa mnu ndio maana kuna wakati walikuwa wakifukuzana ziara mikoani ..huyu akiweka mguu huyu anatoa...na ndio maana hivi karibuni wakuu wa mikoa .,wilaya ,na wakurugenzi wenye influence ya lowassa wote watamwagwa...maana inasadikiwa walikuwa na ajenda...ya kumpandisha lowassa...jk ataweka timu mpya ...

    "kamba hukatikia pembamba...jk aliona njia ya kumtosa kabisa lowassa ili asijeibuka 2010..ni kumkatia...kwenye kosa linaloonekana!
     
  7. Ben Saanane

    Ben Saanane Verified User

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    Safi sana kama utabiri utatimia.

    Watanzania Ukombozi uko njiani,hawa jamaa sina huruma nao ila wasitumie raslimali zetu.Kwa kweli sina huruma nao hata kidogo!
     
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    Game Theory JF-Expert Member

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    RA naye nasikia anaway his options vile vile
     
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    Jamco_Za JF-Expert Member

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    Vita ya kunguru tijara kwa panzi. Waache wacharurane provided tunapata Mafisadi wananchi hatujali ili litakuwa zuri kwa upande wetu kulinganisha na wao maana kila mtu atataka kumchafua mwenzi na kambi yake kwahiyo wataumbuana machafu yao yote.
     
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    Kipanga JF-Expert Member

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    Sio mchanga wa macho jamani kweli??? Unajua waarabu wa pemba wale...Siamini sana kama JK anaweza kumuingiza mkenge EL kiaina kiasi hicho. But as usual time will tell...Let's wait and c'
     
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    IsayaMwita JF-Expert Member

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    Hili ni changa la macho, hawa jamaa urafiki wao ni wa siku nyingi, tusubiri.
     
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    Ben Saanane Verified User

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    Wote hao ni wezi wa raslimali zetu tu,hatuna cha kupoteza wakiparuana wao bila resources zetu
     
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    Mwikimbi JF-Expert Member

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    nani anakumbuka urafiki wa thomas sankara na campaore huko bukina faso? ilifika mahali usalama w ataifa wakamwabia sankara kuwa vampaore anataka kukupindua yeye akajibu kuwa akitaka hakuna wa kumzuia kwa kuwa walikuwa marafiki sana,baadaye utabiri ulitimia compaore akampindua sankara tena akamuua. urafiki wa sankara na compaore ulikuwa wa bond hasa hasa tena wa kufa na kuzikana, urafiki wa EL na Jk umeanzia huko udsm na kwenye kinywaji chochote cha wezekana, kwenye siasa hakuna rafiki au adui wa kudumu. kuna tetesi kuwa EL hakushirikishwa hata kwenye mabadiliko ya kwanza kwenye baraza la mawaziri yale yaliyomngoa mshabaha pale energy ministry, kuna mtu wa ukakika anasema uhasama ukuaaanzia hapo, inasemekana EL alikuwamaafia akitanua, si unamjua? mengi yatasikika subirini
     
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    jmushi1 JF-Expert Member

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    Who cares?
    Wote ni mafisadi na their days are numbered!
     
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    Katibu Tarafa JF-Expert Member

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    hakuna jipya huu ni udaku tu,tena uliokomaa.siku wakiacha kuwalipa richimonduli kidogo tunaweza kuzungumza
     
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    Ipole JF-Expert Member

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    Ndugu zangu sio suala la kumtosa hilo ni kosa lake mwenyewemaana hawezi mutu akaachiwa anchota mamilioni eti kwa ajili ya uswahiba hapana EL alikuwa anakwenda mbio sana maana alikuwa anakusanya pesa za maandalizi ya uraisi lakini nawaeleza watanzania wenzangu huyo mutu hafai ana roho mbaya kama mtakumbuka wakati a;lipokuwa anafanya ziara mikoani alikuwa anawdhalilisha sana vingozi mbalimbali mbele ya wananchi akiwata wasimame na wajibu hoja papo kwa papo yeye alipotakiwa ajibu hoja bungeni akasema anajua tatizo ni uwaziri mkuu "mkuki kwa nguruwe"
     
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    Lunyungu JF-Expert Member

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    Kafara kwa issue Richmond nitakataa kabisa labda kwa jambo jingine.EL atakuwa alimua kufa kiume kumsaidia JK , Richmond ni mali ya JK na RA so EL kafara ipi tena ?Pitia data kuhusu kafara mengine naweza kukubali .
     
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    siWA baRAFU Member

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    Mie naona suala la kusimamisha watendaji mbele ya wananchi ni suala la kawaida tu katika utendaji..hii ni mojawapo ya technique za uongozi katika ku-promote pre-emptiveness, especially wa watendaji wa mikoa..actually maswali mengi kama hayo mwananchi wa kawaida hutakiwa kuyauliza kupitia SLP..je ni nani anajua kama wananchi hawa hujibiwa maswali na pia hoja zao? Mie kinachoniacha hoi ni huu u-busy wa viongozi wetu, ambao ukienda kwenye office zao ambapo mara nyingi makatibu mukhtasi wao hawakutambui, basi utasubiri mpaka uchanganyikiwe..kwa kweli kwa kufuata utaratibu wa kawaida, siku ambapo unaenda kuwaona hao mabwana basi siku hiyo uwe umeitoa muhanga kwa ajili ya kupoteza muda wa kusubiri..otherwise ukisema mwambie huyo jamaa kwamba ni fulani yupo nnje hapa anakusubiri, basi mara moja utaambiwa pita ndani..ama kama ni tight sana basi utapewa hata kikombe cha chai hapo usubiri.. tukirudi kwa mzee wa richmond..kasi yake ya kujijengea umaarufu ilikuwa kubwa mno..kiasi cha kuelekea kumfunika mshakaji na bosi wake pia..hivyo hiyo imetokea kama oportunity kwa mheshimiwa kuzima kasi na yeye kurudi kewani kwa gia ya kupambana na ufisadi..lakini shughuli za maendeleo ndio ivo...hakuna tena...
     
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