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Jinsi Kibaki anavyohujumu hali ya baadae ya nchi ya Kenya.

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  1. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    Secret letters tell why Kibaki skipped Mau

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    By Juma Kwayera

    The Mau controversy has blown the lid off the latent wars President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga[​IMG] have been struggling to suppress.

    It has also emerged that Kibaki is not a lame-duck president as alleged often. Secret letters from State House and Office of the President show he is at the centre of the feuds in his own Party of National Unity (PNU) and the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM).

    The letters, which refer to meetings the President has held with his lieutenants at State House on various occasions, provide rare evidence of how Kibaki was using the Mau forest controversy to repay his political debts and railroad his succession by scuttling potential threats in PNU and ODM.

    At the core of the meetings is the requisition of Sh1 billion through a letter signed by Head of Civil Service Francis Muthaura to compensaste well-connected individuals who acquired public land unprocedurally.
    Sources told The Standard on Sunday that the President is keen on repaying the political debt he owes his benefactors in the 2007 polls. Kibaki is alleged to have given priority to Uhuru Kenyatta, who stepped down for him, consolidating the Central Province vote in the last presidential poll.

    Kibaki began laying the groundwork for his succession by stoking embers in PNU that saw Gichugu MP Martha Karua being sidelined. At the time of her resignation mid last year, Karua had been Kibaki's shield against adversaries in the Coalition Government.

    Also relegated to the periphery is Internal Security Minister George Saitoti, whose presidential ambitions on a PNU ticket have not grown past his election as chairman of the party in 2008.

    The profile of Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka, who discreetly cut a pre-election deal with Kibaki to form a coalition with PNU, has also dipped as the President reportedly looks to prop up Uhuru, who is also chairman of Kanu.

    No holds barred

    Having peeled Agriculture Minister William Ruto from Raila, the President is now concentrating on buttressing the Kikuyu-Kalenjin (and possibly Kamba) alliance.

    "His loyalty to the KKK alliance forced him out of Mau tree-planting trip as he was increasingly coming under attack for elevating Raila to prominence," the source, a member of the committee co-ordinating the restoration of the Mau forest, divulged.

    Separately, sources citing intelligence reports say the President is hamstrung by his utterances on Mau that have enhanced the PM's profile.
    Letters between Muthaura and Finance Permanent Secretary Joseph Kinyua, copies of which The Standard on Sunday has, illustrate how the President primed the Prime Minister for embarrassment.

    Despite denials from his key supporters, the letters show in the lead up to the Mau tree planting on Friday, Kibaki held meetings at State House with Uhuru, Ruto and other Kalenjin MPs that culminated in the December 14 directive to Uhuru to set aside Sh1 billion to compensate Mau and Embobut forest landowners.

    The outcome of the meetings touched off a fresh round of controversy in the Cabinet after line ministers, save for Lands Minister James Orengo, were sidelined because of their opposition to compensation.

    Forests Minister Noah Wekesa and Environment Minister John Michuki are on record having told the President "not to pay a cent to people who broke the law and stole public property."

    At some point, sources said, Wekesa confronted the President with a requisition for medicine by the Ministry of Health, "which Treasury had declined to honour for lack of money". The Standard on Sunday has copies of the letters.

    Wekesa is saddled with more than 2,000 people in his Kwanza constituency who were evicted from the Cherangany and Mt Elgon forests and argues the decision to compensate Mau landowners would trigger a flurry of claims from other grabbers.

    Selective compensation

    "Even if Kibaki wants to help Uhuru or Ruto, he is making a mistake that would saddle the next government with a huge debt burden with potential for unrest. If the Government [wants to give in] to the demands funds would be channelled to paying off people who stole public property," says Mr Kibisu Kabatesi, the spokesman for Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi.

    Large landowners named in the Ndung'u Commission report and the Taskforce on Mau Forests Complex findings have also reached out to the President through their proxies in the Cabinet.

    According to letter signed by Muthaura: "This group had voluntarily left forest on persuasion by local Member of Parliament Hon. Dr Linah Jebii Kilimo and the Provincial Administration with the promise that the Government was to assist them resettle at an appropriate place outside the Gazetted Forest area."

    The letter, dated December 18, 2009, instructs Kinyua to set aside the money as agreed at meetings at State House. The meeting was attended by Uhuru, Ruto, Saitoti, Special Programmes Minister Naomi Shaban and Lands Minister James Orengo.

    Significantly, the letter neither mentions nor shows the resolutions were copied to the Prime Minister, Michuki and Wekesa, who are charged with restoration and repossession of excised public land.

    Muthaura and Kinyua could not be reached for comment by presstime yesterday.

    http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/news/InsidePage.php?id=2000001146&cid=159&story=Secret%20letters%20tell%20why%20Kibaki%20skipped%20Mau
     
  2. MaxShimba

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    Kenya kuna kazi kweli kweli. Na jinsi Wakikuyu wanavyo penda ardhi, sijuwi kama kuna mtu ataweza kutoa huo ugonjwa wa mapenzi ya ardhi.

    Moi naye aliambukizwa hako kaugonjwa na kujilimbikizia mashamba kibao, mpaka ya chai.
     
  3. Ab-Titchaz

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    Mkuu Maxshimba,

    wala hujakosea. Hii ishu nimetonywa na mshkaji flani na bado ananipa nyeti
    kuhusu the goings-on over yonder. Yaani Kibaki na jamaa zake wanafanya
    juu chini kuhakikisha kua Raila hatopata urais come 2012. Most of they
    calculations are based on tribal arithmetics which is really unfortunate for
    this nation that has great potential.Yaani nashangaa vile huyu mwanae
    Kenyatta anapangiwa kua Rais wa Kenya in the future despite the fact that
    yeye pamoja babake marehemu na mamake ni wezi wakubwa wa ardhi ya
    wakenya.It is a really sad state of affairs.

    Juzi juzi kulikua na hii ishu ya msitu wa Mau ambapo wakulu kama kina Moi
    na vibaraka wake wameiba hekari kibao. Raila akaamua kua for the benefit
    of the country these lands need to be repossesed. Kiabki relunctantly
    akakubali na project ya kupanda miti katika sehemu ambapo miti kibao ilikua
    imebwagwa na kampuni ya huyu Uhuru Kenyatta kwa jinja TIMSALES.
    Imagine after promising to be in attendance akachomoa last minute. Raila
    akaamua kama waziri mkuu he would go ahead with the project. The project
    was a success na Ministers na MPs kadhaa walihudhuria pamoja na the
    diploamatic community. Raila stature was therefore enhanced both locally
    and internationally to chagrin of these Kikuyu mafia folks.

    Sasa leo tunapata habari kuhusu hizi background dealings na barua za
    kutisha.

    I will gather more data ya kuweka humu ili watu waone kulikoni Kenya.
    Amini usiamini ifikapo 2012, kutakua na fujo lengine na chanzo kitakua hii
    ishu pamoja wizi wa kura kumfanya Uhuru Kenyatta awe Rais.

    Nawasilisha.
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    Patachimibika huko hata hawa wanaotetea serikali ya Kibaki humu ndani ni Kikuyus wako radhi hata kutukana wakiambiwa ukweli! we waache na ujinga wao watatwangana siku si nyingi 2012 si mbali!
     
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    Not only that, wanataka kuhamisha matatizo yao kwenye EAC. Mimi nasema whatever happens haitawezekana hizi nchi ziungane kuwa na rais moja na kufuta mipaka.

    Kama walishindwa wakati wa kupata uhuru kabla hii sumu haijaingia wataweza sasa? Wengi wanaona vinaelea nchini Tanzania lakini hawafahamu WTZ wametoa sacrifice namna gani?
     
  6. Ab-Titchaz

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    Mkuu Geza Ulole,

    U right on the money. Sikutaka kusema lakini thats whats up.
    Kenya kuna kazi hata kama watakuja humu na kupinga...ishu ya
    ukabila ni kubwa na katika hali hii Rais Kibaki anatetea wakikuyu..No Doubt!

    Regards.
     
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    True dat, bro.
     
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    Hii ni moja ya kipande cha Mzee Moi.



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    Kenya na Tanzania hakuna tofauti, sisi tuna ukabila nyie mna udini, yours is even worse lakini ni vile haijakita mizizi, only time will tell.
     
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    Wewe Smatta, extent ya udini wa Tanzania si sawa na ukabila Kenya. Tanzania hakuna dini inayomiliki ardhi, wala raslimali yoyote at the expense ya watu wa dini nyingine. If anything, there are minor skimirshes ambazo huisha. Hakuna chama cha dini yoyote Tanzania. Kama ni CUF, kama kweli ni cha dini kama inavyosemekana, CUF is only relevant to the Zanzibar which has also nothing to do with the Union (in my opinion). Nielemishe kwa hili kama unaweza!
     
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    Hi KBwoya, I understand you when you say that the extents are different, thats how we felt before the 2007 elections, we knew that there was tribal animosity amongst different tribes in Kenya but we saw that it wasn't that serious to get to the Rwandans extent, but this is where we were wrong. We dint know that neighbors would strike against neighbors, classmates against classmates, and friends against each other. Never under estimate the power of the politicians incite full tongue, coz if you do, you will witness the extent of human beings barbarity.
     
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    Kenya mna ukabila na udini. Kenya udini uko juu kuliko Tanzania. Unataka tukupe "facts" sio? Au unadhani hatujui. Mambo mengine ndugu yangu Smatta uwe unakubali..sio lazima uwe unatetea kila kitu wakati hali halisi inaonyesha vinginevyo.
     
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    Nipe facs ndugu yangu kwamba kuna udini Kenya, nakungoja unifungue macho.
     
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    Smatta; thanks kwa kuyasema haya... kama watanzania tutayadharau haya maneno for whatever reasons itakuwa mbaya... Hakuna kitu mbaya kama underestimating risk ya division ya society

    Ni siasa za maji taka ndizo zinazogawa makini wa afrika, kwa kenya ni ukabila lakini kwetu naona kuna mbegu ya udini inapandwa na kwakweli imeanza kuchipuka!!! God forbid...
     
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    Thats divide and rule policy, its simple, they plant the seed of hate talking about how one group is sidelined, saying that some foreign forces are out to finish them (such stuff). The only ''luck'' that we Kenyans got is that there are 42 tribes in Kenya, if we had 3 tribes ( kikuyu, Kalenjin, Luo) then the situation would have been far much worse than was witnessed. Ubaya ya udini ni huu, dini kubwa Tanzania ni mbili, ukristo na Uisilamu, so separating people based on their religion is quite easy and drumming up support especially foreign is also easy.

    Am not praying anything bad to happen in Tanzania (May God forbid), what am saying is that such problems are not exclusive to some countries, we all have to be watchful and careful on what we say, so that we do not destroy the beautiful countries that we have for political mileage.
     
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    Ladies and Gentleman,

    the point of this thread was to show how Kibaki is undermining Kenya's
    future through back door dealings.What I'm noticing is that we have gone
    ahead to make Tanzania the focus by talking about religion being a
    divisive factor as compared to tribalism. If that was the case then lets
    start another thread about that and exhaust all arguments therein.

    Jaribuni kukaa kwenye mada husika tafadhali.

    Now back to the subject, why is Kibaki doing this yet he signed on the idea of a
    Coalition Governmennt which he promised to make sure works? Why is he
    undermining the Prime Minister, Hon Raila Odinga, who is carrying out
    the wishes of most Kenyans in trying to reclaim Mau Forest? Isnt this
    a recipe for disaster knowing how fragile the political situation is in Kenya?
    Has Kenya's Statehouse been reduced to personal/private property but
    paid for by taxpayers money?

    How does Kibaki have the audacity to collude with Finance Minister Uhuru
    Kenyatta, the son of a known landgrabber, to fleece the taxpayers of
    1 billion Kenya shillings just to compensate the fat cats in Mau (read Moi)?
    That Kibaki should sanction such is way beyond imagination. If anything
    its an insult to the hardworking taxpayers of Kenya. Does he really have
    the mandate to lead Kenya or he knows he 'stole' the election and doesnt
    really care? Kenya has no money in its coffers to foot this bill and I dont
    think the donor community is willing to do the same. Not after Kibaki skipped
    the tree planting exercise in Mau after he had given his word on the
    committment to conserve these lands.

    The future of this nation does not lie in the hands of individuals or cabals
    but its for all. Kenya's stability is paramount for all other East African
    countres and its only prudent that all stakeholders including Tanzanians
    question what happens. Some might say its not our business but fact is
    kukianza kuungua lazima Tanzania itakua affected one way or the other.

    President Kibaki ought to be ashamed of himself!
     
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    Ni kweli mwalimu... i am one of them people who went astray... sorry about that!!
     
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