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JF being used by Jews to condemn Iran?

Discussion in 'Habari na Hoja mchanganyiko' started by Lampart, Dec 28, 2009.

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    Lampart Senior Member

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    JF BEING USED BY JEWS TO CONDEMN IRAN!!!

    • Tanzania has nothing to do with Iran’s internal affairs
    • Our cooperation is based on mutual respect
    • Let’s not interfere in Iran’s internal affairs if we cannot interfere in ZNZ’s

    Some well-intentioned Premium members of this Forum seated leisurely in their Vijijis in Butiama are unknowingly and unwittingly being used by the western and Jewish propaganda machines to confuse the ordinary members of this Forum.
    These Premium members amid our midst are trying to sway the opinion of Tanzanians to be in favour of the Jewish and US against our recent stand to join hands with our brothers and sisters in Iran who are struggling to extricate themselves from the quagmire of western and Jewish influence.
    We, Tanzanians as a country cannot and should not interfere in the internal affairs of
    another brotherly country for the benefit of the Americans and for the
    benefit of the Jewish people who have for more than 50 years now subjected the Palestinian people into a sanguinary suppression, slavery and misery – unseen in any past colonial rule in this planet.

    The current standoff between Iran and the Western powers has nothing to do with Tanzanians and should be seen as an attempt by big powers and the Jewish State
    to coerce a small country into their sphere of influence. Thus, Tanzanians instead of condemning Iran as proposed by some Premium members of our Forum, we should standby the side of the Iranian people who are striving to free themselves from the shackles of Jewish and American domination and subjugation.


    Strange enough, all previous elections in ZNZ were marred by accusations of vote rigging and other irregularities and the SMZ government resorted to more ruthless methods to contain the opposition than presently used by the Iranian authorities.
    As a result, more than 70 people were killed in ZNZ in 2001 and we as a country
    never condemned these killings which were perpetrated by our own police force.
    To say something now against the Iranian people as proposed by these Jewish agents in our Forum amounts to double standard.
    How dare today we Tanzanians want to make such big noise because of 5 people killed in Iran while in our own courtyard in 2001 more than 70 people were killed and we remained silent and never uttered a single word????? Is this not self-defeating or is it because there was no JF in 2001?????
    Let the situation in Iran escalates, but our government should not interfere. We already have a lot of problems of our own in ZNZ and on Mainland! Let’s concentrate all of our efforts into our war against MAFISADIS and not against Iran!!!!
    If we cannot interfere in ZNZ why should we interfere in Iran? We as Tanzanians should not be at the service of Americans and Israel. You don’t need to be a political pundit from Harvard to understand that the skirmishes that are taking place from time to time in the streets of Iran today are being orchestrated, spearheaded and masterminded by the Jewish State in collaboration with the Americans. Therefore, how can we as Tanzanians side ourselves with the Jews and the Americans?
    Our silence as in 2001 over ZNZ should be construed as an endorsement of what a legitimate government in Iran is doing and they should have our fullest support. To send any strong and unambiguous message to the Iranian leaders that the Tanzanian people strongly oppose the tactics of fear targeted against civilians who are demonstrating in a political setting will only serve to show how stupid we Tanzanians are. If we did not send a similar message to ZNZ in 2001 how can we have the morale to do so now to the Iranian people?
    We know quite well that some of us Tanzanians are worried of our country’s affiliation with Iran – an Islamic country. But, let’s re-read our History. We have always since time immemorial and since the time of Mwalimu stood up with those being oppressed and therefore to stand up now with the people of Iran should be our natural reaction, because the Iranian people with all the riches that they possess are being economically subdued by the West and are not allowed to build their country as they see it fit.
     
  2. Steve Dii

    Steve Dii JF-Expert Member

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    Kheee.... Kumbe Mkjj ni Jew.... eebwana eeeh!!!
     
  3. Nemesis

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    ebwanae si ndo nashangaa! yaani kuna jamaa hapa kila kitu wao ni udini, ukabila, urangi nk. Yaani ingekuwa kulaumu USA au Israel usingemsikia huyu. Ndo maana anapoona Iran tu basi yeye anawaona Jews. Hizi ndo akili za yule m9ja wa kujilipua.
     
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    Kaa la Moto JF-Expert Member

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    Na mimi ni mzao wa Ibrahim. Ni jew.
    Wakati Iran inalaani Israel yetu mie nalaani Iran.
    50/50
     
  6. Mzee Mwanakijiji

    Mzee Mwanakijiji Platinum Member

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    Kama hamkuitaka serikali yenu kucondemn yaliyotokea 2001 ni kosa la nani?
     
  7. MaxShimba

    MaxShimba JF-Expert Member

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    Naona mambo ya Wayahudi weusi yanaendelea.
     
  8. Abdulhalim

    Abdulhalim JF-Expert Member

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    Duh, mmeihamishia hii thread kwenye jokes ..duh, kumbe mods ni wabaya hivi..he he he..
     
  9. Ngida1

    Ngida1 JF-Expert Member

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    Sio bora hilo kuliko thread ikaondolewa kabisa???
    You don't discuss about Jews and at the same time expect to breathe for ever!!!
    These guys are again controlling the world today!!!!
     
  10. Bluray

    Bluray JF-Expert Member

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    Even if it were to condemn Iran, other than a blank PR diplospeak to underscore Tanzania's position, Tanzania does not have the moral standing to scold Iran because it has it's own abuses to deal with.

    And let's not forget who bankrolled Kikwete into Ikulu. We cannot condemn Iran for the same reason we are supporting its nuclear ambitions.

    Money.
     
  11. L

    Lampart Senior Member

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    At last someone made my day!!!
    Wale wenye akili zao timamu wanachambua nini ni udaku na nini ni ukweli uliowazi ambao hauwezi ukatupwa kwenye Jukwaa la Uzushi na Uwongo!!!
     
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    Lampart Senior Member

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    Mr/Ms/Mrs Nemesis,
    You can sit there and claim all what you want. But, in this day and age who in our country defines what? We aim to build a society based on tolerance and NOT on religion, party line or colour, as u are proposing!!!
     
  14. Steve Dii

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    You could absolutely be right on that Ngida1, I won't contest your assertion nor do i have the capacity to on that note alone. However having read between the lines, by inference, it would therefore be true to suggest that - to a "non-Jewish sympathizer" the support and perpetuation for the course highlighted in statement below is plethoric.

     
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    Steve Dii JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu, Nilifanya makusudi, mlengwa (Mkjj) amenielewa, natumaini na baadhi ya wengine wanaofatilia maandiko yangu na msimamo watakuwa wameelewa. Ahsante kwa hoja.
     
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    Lampart Senior Member

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    Nd. Ngida1,
    Hio ni kweli, lakini kile kikofia robo cheusi sio lazima awe nacho pia?
    Au hata akiwa na jembe/shoka begani inatosha!!!
     
  17. Steve Dii

    Steve Dii JF-Expert Member

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    Ha ha! umeshindwa kabisa kujificha mojakwamoja?!...lol, wala kujizuia kulogin kwa jina tulilolizoea imebidi ujiandikishe upya... unaogopa nini, unakwepa nini au unaficha nini ndugu yetu, can't you just be you for once?!

    Btw, sijapindisha tena. Nilichosema ndicho hicho nilichomaanisha. Si mmoja wa wale wanaopata fadhila kwa kupindisha kitu ambacho wamekiandika wenyewe.

    Kheri ya Mwaka Mpya Pia, Msalimie Baba!

    NB: Sahihisho kuhusiana na tamko lako juu; Mimi SteveD nimeijua JamboForums tangu April 2007, June 2007 nikawa nimejiunga. Sikuandika chochote na wala sikuwa na affiliation wala kuijua JamboForums back in 2006.
     
  18. Kubwajinga

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    Lampart,
    JF is not used by anyone to support Israel more than how you just used it to spread some Jewish hatred. In JF we dae to talk not to hate.


    Both Iran and Israel governments are the most opppressive and religious biased regimes that hapened also to be behind most of the middle east quadmires.


    • We have nothing in common with either Israel or Iran, and it is an insult to ask Tanzanians to side with either of these regimes in a brotherly manner.
    • If we are to support Iranians, which group of Iranians should we be supporting, Mousav group or Ahmedinajad's?
    • How about supporting those on the streets who are dieing just for perfoming their democratic rituals?
    • How abour condemning those hiding in the palaces and using the security forces to kill their own people?
    • Why should we hate the USA, and at the same time stretch our hands to their ever increasing humanitarian and economic assistance?
    • Why should we hate Israel if their oppressive measures are against their own cousins (Arabs) who just happened to be of different religion?
    If we are always condemning what is going on in Gaza and West Bank, we should feel obliged as well do the same to what the Ayatolahs are doing to their people.

    We shouldnt fool ourselves on this brotherhood mentality with some criminals just because of their religious similarities to ours. By the way, neither the Jews nor the Arabs/Persians are our brothers more than how they are related to each other.
     
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    Lampart Senior Member

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    Dear Nd. Kubwa Jinga,

    You might be a great man and I believe you are, but as your name suggests you are still an ignorant person. Please, take it from your nickname and not from me.

    Some of us cannot stomach the sanctimonious sermonizing some members of this Forum who portend to represent the cleanest of us while their homes are pervaded with the very evils and traits that we are all out to eradicate!


    >We have nothing in common with either Israel or Iran, and it is an insult to ask Tanzanians to side with either of these regimes in a brotherly manner.
    Brother, it seems you are not abreast with the news of our country!
    Please, don't ask me. Ask our Foreign Minister, what did he just sign in Teheran few months ago.


    >If we are to support Iranians, which group of Iranians should we be supporting, Mousav group or Ahmedinajad's?
    Again, please, dont ask me. Ask our Foreign Minister with which group did he sign the MOU.

    >
    How about supporting those on the streets who are dieing just for perfoming their democratic rituals?
    Charity begins at home!
    How about supporting those more than 70 people who sacrificed their lives in the streets of ZNZ in 2001? Is that asking too much of you?

    >
    How abour condemning those hiding in the palaces and using the security forces to kill their own people?
    How about condemning JK and his henchmen for using the police force to kill more than 70 people in ZNZ, instead of asking him to sympathize with those pro-Israel/USA fanatics in the streets of Teheran?

    Man, I can go on and on demolishing all of your points, but there is no time, as Mhe Zitto is around and Wagagagigikoko wants to make sure that they get him to answer some few questions - of course including that one on the whereabout of his resignation letter!!!
     
  20. Bluray

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    The amount of anti-semitism going into this thread reeks of "The Protocols of The Elders of Zion"

    Some see JF being used by Jews to condemn Iran.

    I see machinations of the Arab-Israeli issue to create a non-existent Jewry and it's unproven influence on JF and create a scare tactic on the scale of "death panels"

    JF is much clever than that. In an attempt to make JF seem like a pawn of some larger geopolitics, the spinners are showing how much they don't understand the serendipity that makes JF unique.

    To say that JF is used by Jews is to reveal how much one does not know about JF. Trying to control JF is akin to trying to herd cats (Admin himself can't get that right!) it cannot be done, not with watchdogs like the Bluray still scouting the many routes around.

    Finally, as much as you can say some members are used by Jews to unleash a torrent of anti-Iran propaganda, others can equally say that you are being used by Iran in reverse to accomplish the same goals for Iran.

    As far as the truly independent thinkers of JF are concerned, The Tanzanian government stinks and has no moral authority to condemn Iran, but should still condemn Iran if only to show it's stand on principle, a feat we know it cannot do because of the election money connection between Iran and the Tanzania leadership as documented earlier in "Africa Confidential".

    Iran stinks for it's simply brutish oppressive Hammurabi like tendencies.

    Israel stinks because of it's oppression of the Palestinian people.

    That is the beauty of being independednt, you don't have to pick sides in this Iran/ Jews propaganda war. They all stink, Iran, Israel,Tanzania.

    They all stink, so I don't see the point of pitting one stinker against another and trying to come with this propaganda against the use of propaganda. Sheer hilarity!

    Baba Bluray.
     
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