And I dont want to believe that there is Popobawa ooops GÖD or whatever you call....
You see the different!?
JF-Atheists HYPOCRITICALLY Whining!!!
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You see the different!?
Nimekuambia kweli wewe akili zako ni finyu na wala hazina utandawazi.
Hivi unaamini kwamba kuna popobawa?
No wonder... that.... you.... believe... that there is GÖd/°p
Umekua kichekesho.
Kama unaamini kwamba kuna popobawa, sikulaumu kamwe kwamba unaamini kwamba kuna Mungu.
Kua mwanangu kua.
Yeah about Darwin. mbona hujibu hii?
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Labda hujuwi hili, atheist which is about 1% ya watu duniani committed more crimes than any other group of people through communism. There is no way around it and no argument on it.
Let me mention few names, Marx, Lenin, Mao, and etc. Do you remember these people?
MaxShimba; Jerry Billings[Grote beer] is my name. My colleague Cliff Walker and I did answered these allegations in 1999
To help you, If you are not Bruce or Kim!! we can do the same again.
About Marx, Lenin, Mao etc.
This is usually pointed out to us by Christians, whose predecessors got away with wholesale tortuous murder for over a millennium. What was that saying about the beam in one's own eye?
Meanwhile, although Communism teaches the nonexistence of God, that does not mean that Communism is not theistic in some of its practices and in some of its ways of thought. Communism, as practiced in China and the U.S.S.R. during these times, was very fundamentalistic in its approach to Communism as well as to atheism, and it is this fundamentalistic thinking which prompts irrational behavior. Communism taught that it had an exclusive on the truth and that all others, all non-Communists, were in error. At the same time, Communism squashed any dissenting points of view. This is a traditionally theistic way of thinking, if you ask me, acting as if loyal to a higher absolute, as if charged with the burden of protecting the reputation of that higher absolute. Communism failed to rid itself of the vestigial modes of thought resulting from hundreds of years of Christian and Islamic domination.
Also, Communism was very big on teaching slave mentality, an attitude that is usually associated with theistic systems -- not with atheistic thinking. Gora makes a very impressive case that Communism -- or any form of slave mentality, for that matter -- is rightly called a form of theism. Read about it in his book Positive Atheism in the India section of our website.
And again About Marx, Lenin, Mao etc.
Was it their atheism that prompted them to kill? If you can make the case that it was their atheism and their atheism alone that made them kill (if you can eliminate all other possible influences), then I will grant that atheists are responsible for propagating a murderous doctrine and are thus responsible for murder. If you cannot make a direct connection between atheism and the murderous tendencies of the Communists, then I insist that you retract this statement that you made, associating the philosophy of atheism with these murders.
Meanwhile, during the Inquisitions, it was the Christian doctrines more than any other factors that inspired the torture of millions of feeble, harmless women charged with witchcraft. They were put to death in obedience to God's commandment to Moses in Exodus xxii. 18 (immediately following the "Ten Commandments"): "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." They were burned in direct and literal obedience to Christ's statement in John xv. 6: "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." The reason these women were burnt slowly was so that they would have more time to repent (though this would be impossible, since most of them had their tongues torn out before they were burned, and if repentance involves action, how could they repent when bound to a pole with layer after layer of skin burning off of their quivering flesh, and if repentance is a matter of heart, who could switch loyalty toward something or someone who would burn you alive? this just could not be done!). Not to be outdone, Islam inspired the wholesale slaughter of anyone who refused to honor the god and prophet of Islam. All these murders were inspired directly by theism, which demands loyalty and obedience to a Jealous God.
I challenge you to find an example of where the atheism itself is as directly responsible for murderous acts on the part of a society as the various religions have been. True, atheist have committed atrocities, just as Christians and Muslims and Hindus have done. Can these atrocities, though, be directly explained by the person's atheism as clearly as the atrocities that many religious people have committed can be directly explained by that person's absolute belief in an absolute dogma? Again, if you can make a solid case that atheism itself has influenced atrocity as directly as Christianity or Islam has influenced atrocity, I will gladly accept responsibility for propagating murderous doctrines. If you cannot, you owe the atheists who visit and support this site an apology with your implication.
We invite you also to visit our website
http://www.positiveatheism.org/index.shtml
Jerry aka Darwin or Grote beer
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Darwin,
Mtu aliye lowy profane na crass kama huyu ndiye anajidai pious na godly.
Kama kuamini katika mungu ndiyo kunampa mtu mitusi ya hivyo niache niwe atheist.
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Jerry Billings:
The most oppressive and human-killing regime's have been those of the Communists, founded on Karl Marx's Atheist "political doctrines". It is clear and open to everyone who knows the truth about communisms.
Yesterday, November 28, 2009, Ukraine said, they are going to burry 50,000 civilians who were killed by the communists regimes. I saw it on CNN last night.
In the past century, it is estimated that Communism is responsible for the deaths of between 85,000,000 - 110,000,000 people.
Yet, as had happened in 1932-1933, with Stalin's Holocaust against 7,000,000 in the Ukraine, the West passively denied the famine with the League of Nations accepting the USSR, and sweeping trade deals with the United States under Roosevelt.
Never a firm rebuke from its media... casual indifference from government which have always demonstrated the most casual disregard to human suffering, abuse of human rights and religious persecution.
For this, the Silent Holocaust continues...
The most oppressive and human-killing regime's have been those of the Communists, founded on Karl Marx's Atheist "political doctrines". It is clear and open to everyone who knows the truth about communisms.
Yesterday, November 28, 2009, Ukraine said, they are going to burry 50,000 civilians who were killed by the communists regimes. I saw it on CNN last night.
In the past century, it is estimated that Communism is responsible for the deaths of between 85,000,000 - 110,000,000 people.
Yet, as had happened in 1932-1933, with Stalin's Holocaust against 7,000,000 in the Ukraine, the West passively denied the famine with the League of Nations accepting the USSR, and sweeping trade deals with the United States under Roosevelt.
Never a firm rebuke from its media... casual indifference from government which have always demonstrated the most casual disregard to human suffering, abuse of human rights and religious persecution.
For this, the Silent Holocaust continues...
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Sijui chochote wakati umeshindwa kujibu swali langu? Umeshindwa kujiondoa katika contradiction uliyojiweka?
Angalia unavyo dismiss blatantly halafu una kimbilia kusema atheist wako dismissive.
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Umsoma hiyo post n kuielewa? Unaweza kuonyesha kwamba waliuliwa in the name of atheism?
Communism wala si atheism, ni vitu viwili tofauti.Kwa mfano, mimi ni atheist, lakini si Communist.
Hao walioua wameua kwa sababu zao, wala si kwa sababu ya ukomunisti.
On the flip side, wangapi wameua kwa jina la ukristo? Ushawahi kusikia The Crusades? Hawa wamepata blessings kutoka katika biblia kabisa, nao utasemaje?
Nionyeshe kitabu rasmi cha atheism kinacho sanction kuua kama biblia inavyo sanction kuua.
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Msaada wa bure kwa ma-atheists:
One infamous Communist, Lenin, once said, "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism.
Karl Marx, the founder of Communism, alifanya yafuatayo:
Marx laid down five basic "scientific laws"1: (1) There is no God. (2) Everything is material. (3) Human nature is the product of the economic environment in which the individual is raised. (4) A special environment creates a special class. (5) The proletariat must win.
One infamous Communist, Lenin, once said, "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism.
Karl Marx, the founder of Communism, alifanya yafuatayo:
Marx laid down five basic "scientific laws"1: (1) There is no God. (2) Everything is material. (3) Human nature is the product of the economic environment in which the individual is raised. (4) A special environment creates a special class. (5) The proletariat must win.
Do you know why?
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Kwa nini hawa watu mashambulizi yao makubwa ni juu ya wakristo na Mungu? Hii inadhihirisha kwamba ukristo ni nguvu ya kweli inayoishi dhidi ya uongo. Malango yote ya ulimwengu wa kufikirika yamewekwa chini ya miguu ya kweli ya Mungu. Hebu sasa hawa jamaa wajifunge kibwebwe wazilete hoja zao kuutetea ukommonist uliopinduka kichwa chini miguu juu na waachane na ku-copy na ku-paste nadharia zilizosahaulika tu mara baada ya kifo cha wenye nazo
Umesoma nakuelewa hii au ndio kimombo kinakupa shida?
Usiwe na wasiwasi hivi karibuni tutaanzisha pia page ya kiswahili
About Marx, Lenin, Mao etc.
This is usually pointed out to us by Christians, whose predecessors got away with wholesale tortuous murder for over a millennium. What was that saying about the beam in one's own eye?
Meanwhile, although Communism teaches the nonexistence of God, that does not mean that Communism is not theistic in some of its practices and in some of its ways of thought. Communism, as practiced in China and the U.S.S.R. during these times, was very fundamentalistic in its approach to Communism as well as to atheism, and it is this fundamentalistic thinking which prompts irrational behavior. Communism taught that it had an exclusive on the truth and that all others, all non-Communists, were in error. At the same time, Communism squashed any dissenting points of view. This is a traditionally theistic way of thinking, if you ask me, acting as if loyal to a higher absolute, as if charged with the burden of protecting the reputation of that higher absolute. Communism failed to rid itself of the vestigial modes of thought resulting from hundreds of years of Christian and Islamic domination.
Also, Communism was very big on teaching slave mentality, an attitude that is usually associated with theistic systems -- not with atheistic thinking. Gora makes a very impressive case that Communism -- or any form of slave mentality, for that matter -- is rightly called a form of theism. Read about it in his book Positive Atheism in the India section of our website.
And again About Marx, Lenin, Mao etc.
Was it their atheism that prompted them to kill? If you can make the case that it was their atheism and their atheism alone that made them kill (if you can eliminate all other possible influences), then I will grant that atheists are responsible for propagating a murderous doctrine and are thus responsible for murder. If you cannot make a direct connection between atheism and the murderous tendencies of the Communists, then I insist that you retract this statement that you made, associating the philosophy of atheism with these murders.
Meanwhile, during the Inquisitions, it was the Christian doctrines more than any other factors that inspired the torture of millions of feeble, harmless women charged with witchcraft. They were put to death in obedience to God's commandment to Moses in Exodus xxii. 18 (immediately following the "Ten Commandments"): "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." They were burned in direct and literal obedience to Christ's statement in John xv. 6: "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." The reason these women were burnt slowly was so that they would have more time to repent (though this would be impossible, since most of them had their tongues torn out before they were burned, and if repentance involves action, how could they repent when bound to a pole with layer after layer of skin burning off of their quivering flesh, and if repentance is a matter of heart, who could switch loyalty toward something or someone who would burn you alive? this just could not be done!). Not to be outdone, Islam inspired the wholesale slaughter of anyone who refused to honor the god and prophet of Islam. All these murders were inspired directly by theism, which demands loyalty and obedience to a Jealous God.
I challenge you to find an example of where the atheism itself is as directly responsible for murderous acts on the part of a society as the various religions have been. True, atheist have committed atrocities, just as Christians and Muslims and Hindus have done. Can these atrocities, though, be directly explained by the person's atheism as clearly as the atrocities that many religious people have committed can be directly explained by that person's absolute belief in an absolute dogma? Again, if you can make a solid case that atheism itself has influenced atrocity as directly as Christianity or Islam has influenced atrocity, I will gladly accept responsibility for propagating murderous doctrines. If you cannot, you owe the atheists who visit and support this site an apology with your implication.
Kiswahili simnasema mpanda ngazi huanzia chini.
Nilianza na Moses wa Torah mlishindwa kujibu ambako huko watu wa deen ndio akili zenu zilikoanzia.
Hao madhehebu mengine hawakatishi hapa, hasa kutokana wanashindwa kujibu mwanzo wao ambao ulikua Musa/Moshee/ Moses
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One infamous Communist, Lenin, once said, "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism.
Why do you think Lenin used Marx's asinine by saying atheism is covalent and inseparable from communism?
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