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Jenerali amshambulia Musyoka kwa kumsapoti JK

Discussion in 'Uchaguzi Tanzania' started by Zak Malang, Oct 25, 2010.

  1. Zak Malang

    Zak Malang JF-Expert Member

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    Dear Ndugu Musyoka, many thanks for the advice, but perhaps another time..?
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    By Jenerali Ulimwengu

    I believe some things are simply not done.

    For instance, at a moment when a neighbouring country is having a particularly intense electoral campaign you do not, just do not, weigh in on any contender’s side if you are anyone of importance in your own country.

    Whatever your preference in the neighbours’ political contest, you do not go public with it, for that makes for extremely poor neighbourliness.

    That’s a simple lesson that the Vice President of Kenya, Kalonzo Musyoka, would do well to learn, and learn well.

    He recently went on record as saying that it would be good for Tanzanians to re-elect President Jakaya Kikwete because, according to him, the East African Community still needs him.

    As sentiments go, there is nothing in Mr Musyoka’s statement. Indeed, there are millions of people, in Tanzania and elsewhere who would like to see Kikwete returned in the October election, and that wish goes down as being absolutely legit.

    What falls short of basic propriety, however, is the station occupied by the maker of that statement.

    Mr Musyoka, in case he has forgotten, is the Vice President of Kenya, Tanzania’s neighbour, and whatever he says in public on Tanzania is construed to represent what official Kenya thinks on matters Tanzanian.

    So, by a very small extension, one would be forgiven for thinking that the Kenyan government has already made up its mind as to whom it would like to see attend EAC summits after October.

    I strongly suspect this is not so, and that Mr Musyoka “misspoke,” in Hillary Clinton’s parlance. But this “misspeech” on the part of a ranking official of a neighbouring country can have grave diplomatic consequences.

    A little recent history of the region comes in handy here:
    Suppose that, in December 2007, when the citizens of Kenya went to those fateful polls, the vice president of Tanzania had voiced his support for one of the candidates in that particular election, and that the results had been the same as they came to be.

    Would President Kikwete have had the legitimacy and moral authority to play the role he came to play when matters soured?

    Would the contestant, have agreed to be mediated by a party that had already shown its hand in such a partisan manner?

    Mr Musyoka may not know this, but there were many people in the region who thought that Raila Odinga, leader of ODM, was the Kenyan leader most suited to help the region consolidate co-operation and foster greater integration.

    Needless to say, Mr Musyoka had other ideas, and his attitude crucially affected the outcome of that election, with the consequences that we all know, and which brought Kikwete to the rescue.

    Tanzania is engaged in perhaps its most hotly contested election in a while, and passions are wont to rise now and then.

    There have been unfortunate accusations and counteraccusations, calumnies and vituperations flying in all directions, involving the main contenders in a contest that is long on rhetoric but short on ideological substance, a heady mixture that could, mark my word, could, lead to trouble.

    In such circumstances, people of goodwill and wise counsel in the region are advised to follow the developments with care, get to understand the intricacies of the campaigns and the personalities behind them, even though most of what comes out of the campaigns will be promises that cannot be delivered.

    The Community now boasts five member states, and each one of these will be holding periodic elections. We are going to have elections every year (almost), with the terrible toll that elections tend to take on Africa’s fragile polities. What the region needs least are politicians who misspeak.

    Let’s remind ourselves again, that all politics is local. Mr Musyoka would do well to — what else for a born-again gentleman? — pray for Tanzania’s elections to pass off peacefully, but to otherwise let well enough alone.

    Chanzo: The East African
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    Mfwatiliaji JF-Expert Member

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    Huyu Mkamba malaya ni wa kukemewa kabisa..kwa sasa waachane kabisa na siasa na uchaguzi wetu Tz.
    Thanks Generali U kwa kuona hili mapema na kelikemea wazi..
    I am very sorry mods kwa lugha kali, si kawaida yangu..wala msinifungie, mimi si mkabila wala mbaguzi.
    By the way nawaelewa sana hawa watu..nimeishi nao muda wa kutosha, hawatuheshimu kabisa, in most cases wanatudharau. And, most of the time wanajaribu kupandikiza chuki dhidi yetu!!
    To hell
  3. Raia Fulani

    Raia Fulani JF-Expert Member

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    Bora kajibiwa. Nani asiyejua kuwa musyoka ni opportunist? Ni ********!
  4. Mag3

    Mag3 JF Gold Member

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    There are a few things one has got to know about the Vice President of Kenya Mr. Musyoka before one takes him seriously.

    • Mr. Musyoka was one of the Presidential aspirants in the General Election in Kenya.
    • Mr. Musyoka could not even garner 10% of votes cast.
    • Mr. Musyoka was perceived by 90% of Kenyans as a playboy and so rejected him.
    • Mr. Musyoka was used by Kibaki as a spoiler for ODM and after elections was rewarded with the vice presidency.
    • Mr. Musyoka, like our current leader, lacks the vision, the acumen, the aggresiveness and the qualities of a serious leader.
    • Mr. Musyoka's only quality like that or our own leader, was claimed to be his good looks.
    • Mr. Musyoka is a joke and an opportunist and such statements from him come as no surprise.
    • Mr. Musyoka shares a lot in common with Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete our current President.
    Just as the people of Kenya rejected Mr. Musyoka, so Tanzanians should reject his twin brother, Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete, come October 31st.
  5. Msongoru

    Msongoru JF-Expert Member

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    thanx mfuatiliaji!
  6. The Dreamer

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    Thank you "General" for telling him the truth. He got to put his house in order before trying to export his old fashioned politics. What a rubbish vice president that he is!
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    kalonzo siku zot4 ni mwehu anataka kupita katikati yao kama vile alivopita katikati ya raila nakibaki
  8. Gurudumu

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    Kenyan's innate lust to plunder tz's resources is exactly what he was confidently communicating. Officially, of course. Kenyan companies form number one investor in tz, once a south African place, the ugly fate we will not easily recover from.

    I therefore, respectifully, disagree with generally. Else, he wanted to play diplomatic himself!
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    kijiichake JF-Expert Member

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    kama hamumjui poa bwana kalonzo wa musyoka mfalme wa siasa za kikabila za ukambani basi leo ndo mumjue ena mangelete syake kana wafikili ni walaila odinga kumbe ni msaliti adhokie kwa kimbaki tiwo.samahani sana imenibidi ni tumie lugha ya kikamba hapo juu.niwaonyesheni vile huyu pepo wa kutoka mkoa wa mashari kenya kalonzo alivyo wasaliti wa kenya baada ya upinzani kushinda ulio ongozwa na mheshimiwa raila wa odinga.nimejaribu kufuatilia mienendo ya liatonga mrema kidogo inaelekea kuwa kama ya kalonzo wa musyoka,ila tofauti liatonga ni mtz na kalonzo ni mkenya hawa wote wawili ni maadui wa mabadiliko.kalonzo alishirikiana na kibaki kumuhujumu raila odinga,liatonga anashirikiana na kikwete kumumujumu slaa. lakini nawatahadharisha na mapema wawe kujua hili kama vile maji yanavyo furika na yasizuiliwe na chochote vivyo hivyo mabadiliko yanayofurika tz hayatazuiliwa na yoyote ni lazima nilazima tena nilazima tuwaondoe ccm mwaka huu wakiiba kura mungu atwaandama ka alivyo muandama farao.twendeni tukapige kura tuwachue viongozi tuwapendao bila kuogopa ati kura zitaibiwa au kunakitisho toka kwayoyote ila mungu tu.slaa atashinda tena usindi wa kishondo jk atambulia patupu tena patupu.
  10. M

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    Namshukuru sana Jenerali Ulimwengu. Maneno aliyoyasema Musyoka yalikuwa ni ya hatari kabisa na yanaonyesha kuwa Kikwete ni kibaraka wa Kenya na ndiyo maana wanataka aendelee kuwepo kwenye uongozi. Sisi hatumtaki kama wanampenda basi wanaweza kumchukua akawatawale.
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    Gosbertgoodluck JF-Expert Member

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    Is there any significant difference between Musyoka and Kikwete? If there is, it's Musyoka and Kikwete themselves who know.
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    "By the way nawaelewa sana hawa watu..nimeishi nao muda wa kutosha, hawatuheshimu kabisa, in most cases wanatudharau. And, most of the time wanajaribu kupandikiza chuki dhidi yetu"

    nakubaliana kabisa nawe hasa katka kipengele hicho cha juu nilichokukoti hawa jamaa wanatuoana sisi tuko nyuma sana kwa kuwa wao wanazungumza kiingereza tena kwa lafudhi mbovu,hivyo kwa hilo wanajiona wamesoma sana bahati nzuri tu kwao vyuo vya kifalafala vilianza siku nyingi sasa ujinga ni wetu hivi sasa kila kampuni binafsi hasa za wawekezaji wamejazana sijui sheria zetu za kazi ziko likizo au watu hawataki kuzisimamia ?
    matokeo yake wanajiona wamaana kuliko sisi ukiuliza utaambiwa nyinyi wavivu!! lakini kisa wanachopapatikiwa ni kujua kiingereza tumeshapiga sana kelele lakini serikali imetia pamba masikioni ndo maana wanatudharau na diploma zao za vyuo vya uchochoroni wanapewa kazi,na kama huo ushirikiano wa afrika mashariki tujiulize kuna watanzania wangapi wanafanya kazi kwenye makampuni ya kenya aloo jambo hili huwa linaniuma sana roho yaani jamaa kwa kiingereza chao ndo na kazi zetu wanapewa wao halafu kuna mtu anajiita profesa kaaa tuu kwenye huo uwaziri wa kazi ndio maana wanajenga dharau nimeshawahi kufanya nao kazi wapumbavu kwelikweli!!! kama inawezekana tutafute mail za magazeti ya kenya tuwapelekee salaamu wajue tumekerwa na muhuni kalonzo musyoka!! nadhani yule msemaji wa cecafa mkenya jina silikumbuki yanga walimfundisha adabu mpaka akaomba msamaha alileta lugha chafu nusura apigwe tofali pale tff kama si wasamalia wema kumwokoa akajifanya yeye hajui kiswahili kwa ule uupuzi wake aliyoutamka eti alidhani neno la kawaida adabu zimmemshioka mpaka leo!!
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    There are, of course, significant differences and similarities. One is a proffessional begger and another is a plunderer. They are both myopic
  14. Ikimita

    Ikimita JF-Expert Member

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    That's why he is called Ulimwengu 'the big name', he is done it again!! Well done.
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    Fulaha yao kutuona wa Tz tunazidi kuwa masikini.
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    Penye BOLD hapo mimi ni hoiii hha ha ha senksi