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Jacques Chirac, Former French President: FORMALLY INVESTIGATED OVER SCAM..

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Steve Dii, Nov 21, 2007.

  1. Steve Dii

    Steve Dii JF-Expert Member

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    Huu ni wito kwa Mh. Rais Kikwete; tusishangae kwanini wenzetu wameendelea katika nyanja mbalimbali nchini mwao, tusishangae kwanini Tanzania na Afrika kwa ujumla bado tuko masikini; BALI TUHOJI NA KUFATILIA KANUNI TULIZOZIWEKA KATIKA KULINDA MASLAHI YA KITAIFA NA SI KULINDA MASLAHI YA KISWAHIBA.

    Source: BBC.


    Ili nchi yetu iendelee,TUTEKELEZE TUYASEMAYO na kuacha kuoneana aibu kuwa huyu ni swahiba na huyu siye, tuache kuoneana aibu kuwa huyu ni ndugu yangu na huyu siye, huyu ni Rais Mstaafu na huyu siye... Sheria zifuate mkondo wake na wala si mahusiano.


    SteveD.
     
  2. Steve Dii

    Steve Dii JF-Expert Member

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    Presidential immunity huko Ufaransa naona wanajua jinsi ya kuitumia...

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  3. Capitol Hill

    Capitol Hill JF-Expert Member

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    Hivi hatuwezi ku reform katiba ili tuanze kuwa na ACCOUNTABILITY kutoka kwa viongozi wetu? Kwa sababu if we take IMMUNITY away then we can hold them accountable for the wrong doing during their tenure. Zama za kulindana na kutetea UOZO zimepitwa na wakati, kama powerful nation like France, na Marekani (Soma hapo Chini) are taking measures to combat corruption sisi je?
    Ooooops: I just remembered something: WOTE HAWA NI WACHAFU TU KUANZIA PCB mpaka mwisho
     
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    What the heck is our President waiting for?


    Ex-NYPD commissioner Kerik surrenders in corruption probe
    Friday, November 9, 2007


    By JIM FITZGERALD
    ASSOCIATED PRESS
    WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. -- Former New York City police commissioner Bernard Kerik surrendered Friday to face federal corruption charges, in what could prove to be an ongoing embarrassment for presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani.
    Kerik surrendered to the FBI in suburban White Plains, where he was fingerprinted and processed. He was scheduled to be arraigned at noon in U.S. District Court.
    Kerik, the police commissioner under then-Mayor Giuliani and a failed nominee for homeland security secretary, was indicted by a federal grand jury Thursday on charges of conspiracy, mail fraud, wire fraud and lying to the IRS.
    If convicted, Kerik could face up to 142 years in prison and $4.75 million in penalties. The indictment alleges Kerik made false statements to the White House and other federal officials during his failed bid to head the Homeland Security department. Those statements involved failure to disclose payments from a contractor alleged to have mob ties, according to the indictment.
    Kerik was police commissioner under then-Mayor Giuliani
    , and the indictment could complicate matters for the Republican presidential candidate as the first primaries draw near.
    Giuliani endorsed Kerik's 2004 nomination to head Homeland Security. Only days after Bush introduced Kerik as his nominee, Kerik announced he was withdrawing his name because of tax issues involving his former nanny.
    The indictment does not include any charges stemming from allegations of eavesdropping related to former Westchester County District Attorney Jeanine Pirro's pursuit of information about whether her husband was having an affair.
    Prosecutors had been presenting evidence to a federal grand jury for several months.
    The investigation of Kerik, 52, arose from allegations that, while a city official, he accepted $165,000 in renovations to his Bronx apartment, paid for by a mob-connected construction company that sought his help in winning city contracts.Kerik pleaded guilty last year to a misdemeanor charge in state court, admitting that the renovations constituted an illegal gift from the construction firm. The plea spared him jail time and preserved his career as a security consultant, but his troubles resurfaced when federal authorities convened their own grand jury to investigate allegations that he failed to report as income tens of thousands of dollars in services from his friends and supporters.
    Kerik was police commissioner on Sept. 11, 2001, and his efforts in response to the terrorist attacks helped burnish a career that came close to a Cabinet post.
    Giuliani frequently says he made a mistake in recommending Kerik to be Homeland Security chief, but that might not be enough to avoid the political damage of a drawn-out criminal case involving his one-time protege.
    During a campaign stop Thursday in Dubuque, Iowa, Giuliani was asked whether he still stood by Kerik. He sidestepped that question and said the issue had to be decided by the courts.
    "A lot of public comment about it is inconsistent with its getting resolved in the right way in the courts," Giuliani said.
    Associated Press Writers Tom Hays and Pat Milton in New York City contributed to this report.
     
  6. Kitila Mkumbo

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    Ndugu yangu tuta-reform vipi katiba wakati bunge letu akina Mudhihiri 200 na akina Zitto 2? Ndio sisi tukasema, sisi wananchi tunahitaji utambuzi wa kisiasa ili ifikapo wakati wa uchaguzi tusiwe mazuzu wa kuchangua wabunge lundo kutoka chama kimoja hasa chama chenyewe kikiwa ni CCM! That is our starting point. Tuachane na ujinga wa kushangilia ushindi wa kishindo ambao siku ya siku unatupa ujinga, maradhi na umaskini wa kishindo.
     
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    tz_devil JF-Expert Member

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    Mzee wa Ku-Kapitali,

    Wanafahamu kabisa kuwa katiba yetu inamapungufu mengi kwahiyo, hawawezi kubadili katiba inayowapa mianya ya kufanya ufisadi... kwani wamekuwa majuha?
     
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    Nakubaliana na nyie wakuu. Inabidi tuanze (well tuendelee) kupiga debe la nguvu kuliamsha BUNGE LETU na viongozi wake ambao kwakweli wengi wao ni wazembe hamna mfano. Vile vile VYOMBO VYA HABARI vinatakiwa vipige kelele.
    Najua ni long road ahead, lakini ipo siku tutafika..lakini mpaka hiyo siku ije, Watanzania tutakuwa tumedhulumiwa na MAFISADI kupita kiasi kwa manufaa ya "wachache".
     
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    WHY NOT MKAPA?
    1. Over Kiwila Coal Mine deal?
    2. Involvement in business while in Statehouse contrary to leadrship ethics?
     
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    Any attempt to compare French democracy with that in Tanzania is bound not only to fail, but is both shallow and a great insult to France. France has had at least 2015 years to perfect their political system while Tanzania has known multiparty democracy for less than 12 years! Put in another way: France is 200 years strong while Tanzania is 1 year weak!!
     
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    Kamanyola, Sorry, but i'm abound to say that the statement above has high chance of insulting your own intelligence if any. Please review by comparing the age of France's democracy with that of Zambia, then talk about Chilluba! Thanks.

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    This Kamanyola dude is dumb as a rock
     
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    Shut the hell up...you stupi little bia bia
     
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    The French parliament and the courts didn't have to go through protracted sessions (that may be extremely demanding in time and resources) on the issue of removing M. Chirac's presidential immunity. A clause in the constitution of France laying down the merits and limitations of presidential immunity already existed even by the time Chirac became president. This was not so with Chiluba in Zambia: in fact despite massive efforts to bring Chiluba to justice (among other things through constitutional ammendments to abolish permanent immunity for ex-presidents), he is by all accounts still a free man and has not turned in a cent of of the millions of dollars he stole from Zambian treasury.
     
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    ... at least his case was heard, ain't it?! In democratic states, how old does democracy has to be to be seen applicable?!

    Kamanyola, are you really suggesting that in our own constitution nothing is there to stop a president from 'double dealing' as long as he/she stands president, once and after tenure?

    ... anyway, what would you be advocating if Chiluba's still on the lose?

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    Kamanyola Member

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    I am no expert in constitutional law of Tanzania so I cannot answer your question. However its clear what you ask above has little (or rather indirect) relevance to the issue of presidential immunity which as far as I understand this thread is all about.

    As for your other question: I'm afraid I have no idea.
     
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