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Israel's right to self-defence

Discussion in 'International Forum' started by Echolima, Nov 25, 2011.

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    Echolima JF-Expert Member

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    The headlines and video images allegedly showing Israeli spies in Dubai are titillating, but they mask the serious issues involved in the death of Hamas terrorist Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. Along with predictable European hand-wringing over forged passports, this case is the latest example of the failure of the international legal system and the United Nations to provide a remedy to mass terror.

    Al-Mabhouh was a cold-blooded murderer—in an interview just last year on Al Jazeera he boasted about kidnapping and then killing two Israeli soldiers. He was also a major figure in arranging arms shipments from Iran to Gaza. Al-Mabhouh shared responsibility for the thousands of rocket attacks fired at civilians in Sderot and other Israeli towns, which resulted in last year's war in Gaza. In his travels, the Hamas terrorist was probably making arrangements for the next round of attacks.

    But international law provides no means for stopping terrorists like Al-Mabhouh, or for his Hizbullah counterpart, Imad Moughniyeh, whose life ended with an explosion in Damascus in 2008. (In addition to numerous attacks against Israelis, Moughniyeh has been blamed for the 1983 Beirut bombings that killed hundreds of American and French peacekeepers and the murder of Lebanese President Rafik Hariri.) Cases involving Muslim terrorists, supported by Iran, would never be pursued by the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, or raised in the framework of the United Nations. Al-Mabhouh violated the human rights of untold Israeli civilians, but the U.N.'s Human Rights Council— which is dominated by such moral stalwarts as Libya, Algeria, and Iran— has no interest in Israeli complaints.

    It is equally hard to imagine Interpol issuing arrest warrants in response to Israeli requests. And if warrants were issued, history shows that German, French, Belgian, and other European governments would not risk the consequences of acting on them. Little effort was ever made to apprehend the perpetrators of the Munich Olympic massacre, or of the deadly bombing attacks against synagogues in Istanbul and Athens. It's a widely known secret that European governments had ungentlemanly agreements with the PLO that allowed the Palestinians to operate from their territories, provided the terror attacks occurred elsewhere. Not until 2003 did the EU even put Hamas on its terror list. Hizbullah is currently free to operate in Europe.

    The bitter reality is that for Israel, international legal frameworks provide no protection and no hope of justice. Instead, these frameworks are used to exploit the rhetoric of human rights and morality to attack Israel. In European courts, universal jurisdiction statutes, initially created to apprehend and try dictators and genocidal leaders, are now exploited as weapons in the service of the Palestinian cause. In this way, Israeli defense officials are branded as "war criminals."

    Similarly, Richard Goldstone's predetermined "fact finding inquiry" into the Gaza war makes no mention of Al-Mabhouh or Iran, which supplied Hamas with over 10,000 rockets for attacks against Israelis. Mr. Goldstone and his team have remained silent about what would be the "legal" way to bring jihadi murderers to justice. In their efforts to demonize Israel, Palestinian terror actually doesn't really exist. The Goldstone team simply refused to accept conclusive Israeli video evidence of Hamas war crimes.

    The same legal distortions are found among the organizations that claim to be the world's moral guardians, such as Human Rights Watch. HRW's systematic bias is reflected in a Middle East division that sees no problem in holding fund-raising dinners in Saudi Arabia— one of the world's worst human rights violators and a country officially still at war with Israel— to help finance their campaigns against the Jewish state.

    In the absence of any legal remedies or Western solidarity, Israel's only option to protect its citizens from terror has always been to act independently and with force. When in 1976 a group of Palestinian and German terrorists hijacked an Israel-bound Air France plane to Uganda and separated the Jewish passengers, Israel decided to act. In a daring mission, it rescued all but three passengers while killing all terrorists and several Ugandan soldiers who had been protecting the terrorists. Back then, Israel's detractors also fretted about the "violation of Ugandan sovereignty" even though dictator Idi Amin was in cahoots with the terrorists. Entebbe, though, quickly became the gold standard for successful counter-terror operations. Only a year later, Israeli-trained German special forces freed in Mogadishu, Somalia a Lufthansa plane hijacked by Palestinian terrorists. Similarly, when after years of horrific suicide bombings Israel pioneered the targeted killings of Hamas terrorists— often with the help of unmanned drones— Israel's Western adversaries complained about "extrajudicial assassinations." Today, though, U.S. forces have copied Israel's technique with their own drone killings of jihadi terrorists in the Afghan-Pakistan border region.

    Unlike those Predator strikes, though, which hardly raise an eyebrow in the West these days, there was no "collateral damage" in the mysterious Dubai hit. No innocent civilians were hurt, no buildings were damaged. Justice was done, and al-Mabhouh's preparations for the next war ended quietly.

    All this is lost on those diplomats, "legal experts," and pundits who blame Israel for Dubai, and angrily denounce the passport infractions. In the absence of viable alternatives, and a refusal to share any of the risks, they are in no position to condemn actions aimed at preventing more terror.
     
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    Mutambukamalogo JF-Expert Member

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    So whats your take on this!?
     
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    Echolima JF-Expert Member

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    Self-defence right
     
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    Nonda JF-Expert Member

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    Is this self defence right only for Israel?
    Or every entity, gvt or country has this right?
     
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    Nonda JF-Expert Member

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    All this is for self-defence otherwise it will wiped-out
     
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    Echolima JF-Expert Member

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    Ni haki Israel iyakatae maazimio mengine yanapitishwa kwa Interest za mataifa ili kuliondoa au kuliumiza Taifa jingine, litaungwa mkono tu azimio llenye kujenga na wala si kubomoa Taifa.
    Bila shaka hata Tanzania ingefanya hivyo, maana Mara nyingi sana tume-Violate, NONDA wewe ni mzee wa kunukuru najua utakuwa na kumbukumbu hizo.
     
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    Nonda JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu Echolima

    Na hili utalitetea vipi? Vipi utaitetea Israel? Huo uovu, uonevu waufanyao ni hiyo right of self defence unayoizungumzia hapa?

    THE MAPS TELL THE TRUE STORY
     
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    Achahasira JF-Expert Member

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    safi sana mkuu,vitu vinaenda kwa proof
     
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    kamili JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu tufafanulie vizuri kama una maana Izrael ina haki ya kufuta utaifa wa nchi fulani kama ilivyofanya kwa Palestine. Na una maana ganu kusema hata Tanzania ingefanya hivyo hivyo? maana ninavyofahamu Tanzania inajali na kuheshimu mataifa mengine na utu wa watu wa mataifa hayo, tofauti ni Izrael ambayo imekuwa ikiwanyima dawa, chakula na huduma zingine za kibinadamu wapestina, achilia mbali kuwauwa hovyo kwa mabomu mpaka ya sumu.
     
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    An arabic designed map!!! That is why bado hawa waarabu wa kipalestina ni Watumwa kwa Myahudi. Hii ni mpaka kihama,.
     
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    Zaidi ya marekani, hamna nchi dunani inayoisuport Israel.
     
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    1.kuwanyima Dawa wapalestina kuuawa na mabomu-hizo ni propaganda za waarabu ili waonewe Huruma
    wao wanapokea misaada mbali-mbali ya ki-utu wanaouawa ni magaidi waliobobea
    Hata Tanzania atokee mtu aseme ataifuta kwenye USO Wa Dunia tutatumia Haki yetu ya Self-Defence.
    Hata Idd Amin alipovamia tulipomtoa kwenye mipaka yetu tuliona haitoshi askari wetu waliingia vitani kupigana kumuondoa madarakani hapo tulikiuka sheria za kimataifa.
    Hata dicteta Gaddafi alipoleta Askari wake askari Wa TZ waliingilia mawasiliano kwenye ndege yao hivyo Kusababisha kupotea njia badala ya kutua Entebe wakatua kwenye uwanja Wa KIA kwa kuingiliwa mawasiliano ya ndege yao hili pia kulikuwa kuvunja sheria za kimataifa but we did that for the name of Self-Defence.
    Asikudanganye mtu kila nchi ikiona maslahi yake yako hatarini watayakataa maazimio yoyote maana kuyakubali ni sawa na kujimaliza wenyewe
    Mbona huzungumzii mabomu ya kijitoa Mhanga na ugaidi Mwingine mwingi tu na kwa sababu hiyo wanatumia haki yao ya Sel-defence.
     
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    Nonda JF-Expert Member

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    mkuu Patmos Island

    Ungetusaidia kwa kuiweka ramani ya patition ya 1948. Mgao waliofanya wazungu. UN na wazungu ndio walifanya patition au?

    God bless Patmos and USA!
     
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    Nonda JF-Expert Member

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    HRW: New laws marginalize Palestinian Arab citizens | Israeli Occupation Archive

    Hata kama hilo ni kweli, basi ni Israel wanaogopa hilo. Israel will no longer be jewish.
    Umesikia case ya Texas..soon hispanic majority...hilo ndio jambo wanaloogopa waisraeli pia.

    Kwa hiyo, mwishowe hawana ujanja. Ama taifa moja na wao watakuwa minority au nchi mbili. kwa sasa msisitizo uko kwenye mipaka ya 1967.
     
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    The history is very clear that, the area known as Palestine was a province of the Ottoman Empire from the 16th Century until the British took control in 1917. From 1917 until 1948, the area was under British operational control and, later, mandate.There was never a Palestinian nation.
     
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