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Is the Kenyan goverment intentionally killing kiswahili?

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by Smatta, Jan 20, 2010.

  1. Smatta

    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    Kenya has made a decision that appears to downgrade the importance of Kiswahili at a time when East Africa’s lingua franca is expected to play a bigger role in regional integration.

    The subject will no longer be a compulsory paper in the Standard Eight national examinations, according to a new government policy.

    Kenya Certificate of Primary Education (KCPE) examination candidates can forgo Kiswahili and instead be tested in Kenyan Sign Language, which will be examined for the first time this year.

    An estimated 700,000 pupils are expected to register for the KCPE examinations this year.

    Kenya National Examinations Council (Knec) boss Paul Wasanga said no candidate would be allowed to sit both Kiswahili and sign language.

    The announcement signals a major policy move since Kiswahili is the national language. It is also the most commonly spoken language in the region.

    The proposed draft constitution has recommended that the language become an official language, giving it status similar to that of English.

    Kiswahili has been compulsory language in both primary and secondary school examinations.

    According to the new circular, candidates will be examined in seven subjects though sitting six papers.

    The papers are: English, Kiswahili, Kenyan sign language, Maths, Science and Social Studies. Pupils must choose between Kiswahili and sign language to ensure they are graded on five subjects as required by the syllabus.

    Mr Wasanga asked education officials to ensure teachers and pupils are made aware of the new rule

    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/845754/-/vpd9vw/-/index.html
     
  2. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    Wow!!!...Yaani Sign language stands as an option against Kiswahili?
    Not even french, german or even spanish? Kisha inaitwa Kenyan sign language.
    Does that apply internationally?

    Kweli kazi mnayo.

    Who made this policy decison by the way?
     
  3. Smatta

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    I dont know what this pervs at the ministry of education have been smokin, but theyve got this right here twisted.. Shame on them
     
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    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    Smatta,

    Well stated.

    Kiswahili should be by intents and purposes held in the same regard
    as English. If anything its authentic and original to our people as
    compared to English or any of those foreign languages that are taught.

    Those mofos are busy stealing money instead of coming up with policies
    that reflect our heritage and culture in Education.
     
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    The tanzanian ones intend to teach chinese anyway!you wonder who will do it?i wonder if we know enough kiswahili and english ?germans spanish and arabs wonder why chinese?policy making in the dark continent must show elements of dakrness in it i presume-somebody said the govt buys 4 times 4 v8 ve4hicles for ministers because the roads are rough bwana!what else you need from these people?
     
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    It is for your own merits dude just a little info. Kabila Jr won presidency cause he speaks Kiswahili (to demonstrate how swahili has gained popularity in DRC to be a factor in an election in a Lingala/French nation whereas in Rwanda, shools are teaching swahili seriously probably in 10 years to come we will be talking of another story while in Burundi most of the people speak it while Uganda is also trying but not that much! i am just wondering how will Kenyans entaract with French speaking countries that borders EA region? Wait for them to learn English? The good thing is the same people who might support this ill adviced decision have motives behind that can not go beyong their constituent borders! they will come with excuses like why not Luhya, Luo or Kikuyu be taught? but at what cost? ask yourself, obvious DIVISION! i.e. isolating the lower class Kenyans within tribal languages while the higher class intermingling cause they can speak english! I pity you guys!
     
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    Jamani ajabi ni nini? Siyo hii lugha ya alama ni chombo cha watu bubu? Kwa hiyo mwanafunzi aliye bubu anahitaji kujua lugha hii vizuri naona ni kweli ishara ya maendeleo ya kwamba Kenya inawapa nafasi kuijifunza vizuri. Bila shaka katika shule chache za pekee kwa wanafunzi wasiosikia. Ili wasiwe na mzigo mno wanaweza kupunguza lugha nyingine hapa n Kiswahili. Labda afadhali wangepewa nafasi ya kuchagua kati ya Kiingereza na Kiswahili?

    Hakuna hatari ya kwamba kijana asiyependa Kiswahili atakimbilia lugha ya mabubu maana inafundshwa kwenye shule za pekee.
    Sioni tatizo wala hatari kwa Kiswahili.
     
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    Mkuu Kipala,

    soma hio article tena.

    The students are being given an option of choosing between Kiswahili
    language and Kenyan Sign language at the primary school level. That
    is very unfair baring in mind if you dont want to do do either itakuaje?
    Ingekua katika shule za sekondari ningeelewa maana mtu hapo yuko katika
    pirka pirka za kutaka kuspecialise katika area flani.

    Kisha ukiangalia tena unaona kua English is compulsory in itself and not
    Kiswahili. Hapo sasa uzalendo uko wapi mkuu?

    Ukienda Kenya unaambiwa eti Kiswahili is their National Language and
    English is the Official Language. Sasa hebu nihabarishe hii inakaa vipi
    akilini ikiwa lugha ya taifa haifundishwi shuleni?
     
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    Smatta,

    The gravity of the matter has made Karega Mutahi to recant.
    This was gonna cause an uproar to say the least.

    PS disowns directive on Kiswahili

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    Education PS Karega Mutahi (above) disowned a Kenya National Examinations Council circular allowing Standard Eight pupils to make a choice between Kiswahili and the Kenyan Sign Language. He instead said only candidates with hearing difficulties would be allowed to choose between the two


    By BENJAMIN MUINDI and HUGHOLIN KIMARO

    A hasty retreat by the Kenyan Government on a new directive that seeks to make Kiswahili an optional subject in Standard Eight exam on Wednesday threw the education sector into confusion.

    As scholars protested at the radical move, Education permanent secretary Karega Mutahi disowned a Kenya National Examinations Council (Knec) circular allowing Standard Eight pupils to make a choice between Kiswahili and the Kenyan Sign Language. He instead said only candidates with hearing difficulties would be allowed to choose between the two.

    That was contrary to the Knec circular, sent to all schools, which read in part: "Candidates will be expected to take either Kiswahili or Kenyan Sign Language but not both." Later, Knec boss Paul Wasanga also supported Prof Mutahi.

    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/846628/-/vpdxd3/-/index.html
     
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    This is the same country that has been constantly whining about Tanzania's

    reluctance to join EAC, and now look what they are doing. Similar to Njonjo, these

    people have been brain washed by their colonial masters for so long to a point they

    embrace and cherish everything Mzungu brought. Low self esteem is the major reason they

    don't embrace Kiswahili, and that is why Ukabila will continue to be a pandemic in Kenya.
     
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    Asante kwa jibu. Naelewa msimamo wako lakini bado naona makelele juu ya circular hiyo ni ya ajabu kidogo.
    Yaani nani atachukua somo kama sign language kama hajaathiriwa na matata ya kusikia??? Hakika hakuna atakayechagua somo la mtihani kama hajafuata somo lenyewe shuleni, na somo hili lafundishwa kwa watoto pekee wenye shida hii!!. Mwanafunzi wa kawaida hawezi kuchagua kwa sababu hajafundishwa sign language!

    Na kama ameathiriwa nayo napongeza Kenya kwa kuweka utaratibu hao nao wapate nafasi ya kufanya mitihani yote.
    Lakini kama hawa watoto wanachukua mitihani naona isingekuwa haki kuwalazimisha kuchukua mtihani mgumu kushinda wale wasio na matatizo haya. kwa hiyo nakubali mantiki wapewe chaguo ili wasiwe na masomo ya ziada katika mtihani.

    Swali kuwapa chaguo lipi ni hatua nyingine. Hapa nimeshakubali si lazima iwe Kiswahili.
    kwa jumla naona ni mfano wa gazeti kutoa taarifa inayofanana na uwongo. Taarifa hii imesababisha majadiliano ambayo imekwenda mbali na hali halisi - samahani nikisema hata hapa JF.
     
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    What's the point behind the constitutional (draft) provision that Kiswahili is the national language while at the same time making it optional at primary school examination? Why shouldn't the 'Kenyan sign language' become the national language? With or without Kenya Kiswahili will be spoken with others in Africa and elsewhere as it has always been done.
     
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    Again, mis-communication of the circular. The PS said something else the director communicated totally a different thing!!!!!
     
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    They are still high from all that Free education money they embezzeled...they are not thinking straight...amazing!!! aaaamazing...
     
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    This was a decision made by a few examination officials and it has become
    under so much pressure that the education permanet secretary has
    reversed it.

    Kiswahili is one of the most valuable things we have in the estern and Africa
    as a whole.

    Spoken by more than 120 millions people in Africa and recognized as an
    international languages by others.

    It is listed in the Face book as one of the languages where you can set your
    computer to display in Kiswahili and only a person, very deep in a colonial
    slumber who cannot see this fact.

    It has even more speakers in Africa than the English or French.
     
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    You are very right.
     
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    Ive lived in Kenya myself....and one thing I've learned from them is they loath to be Independent and have falled in Love with being colonized.

    No wonder Indians with British Citizeship are the most respected people in Kenya even above their President. Kenyans in Kenya live like foreigners in their own country and they consider this a prestigious status.

    Jamani wasameheni hawa watu....madhee hawa jamaa wanapenda kuwa colonized kinoma. Wanajisifu kwa kuwa the best House boys in East Africa na waajiri wa kizungu na kihindi huwapenda zaidi kwa jinsi walivyo na mioyo ya kutawaliwa....yaani wahindi wanaoamini kuwa binadamu akifa anageuka mnyama huwa wanaamini kuwa mkenya akifa hugeuka Punda.

    We subiri kidogo tu.... watatangaza kuwa kiebrania ndiyo Lugha yao ya taifa. Tusishangae.

    Hiyo Federation sijui itakuwaje!!!!!!!
     
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    Yo punk, I just put this ish up here so everybody would see it, because lets be honest nobody really wants to get stuck speakin a foreign language, no matter how much we say we luv it, there is a time that everyone wants to speak that lil swahili or sheng just to connect with his roots and youth.now you coming up in here, talkin through yo a*s, as if Kenyans are denouncing swahili is uncalled for and straight out coon. You talking about us enjoying colonization is effed the eff up, who in this world likes to be a second class citizen? No one, so stop that bull crap, and do something about the education system in your country. ONE
     
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    You are way out of line!!! do not generalize, just because you met a few house boys and house gals...
    the unemployment rates in Kenya and in Africa as a whole has made even the most self respecting individaul a servant of the so called wahindi na wazungu...its about survival...
     
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    Re: Is the Kenyan goverment intentionally killing kiswahili?
    Ive lived in Kenya myself....and one thing I've learned from them is they loath to be Independent and have falled in Love with being colonized.

    No wonder Indians with British Citizeship are the most respected people in Kenya even above their President. Kenyans in Kenya live like foreigners in their own country and they consider this a prestigious status.

    Jamani wasameheni hawa watu....madhee hawa jamaa wanapenda kuwa colonized kinoma. Wanajisifu kwa kuwa the best House boys in East Africa na waajiri wa kizungu na kihindi huwapenda zaidi kwa jinsi walivyo na mioyo ya kutawaliwa....yaani wahindi wanaoamini kuwa binadamu akifa anageuka mnyama huwa wanaamini kuwa mkenya akifa hugeuka Punda.

    We subiri kidogo tu.... watatangaza kuwa kiebrania ndiyo Lugha yao ya taifa. Tusishangae.

    Hiyo Federation sijui itakuwaje!!!!!!!


    Eaaaassssy Smatta and Nyaralego that was his opinion, that is the way he describes Kenyans being Pundas or donkeys or ngamias for those landlords just like your opinion on Tanzanians being lazy no offense! ;) easy buddies let concentrate on the main issue here that Kenyans need to upgrade their swahili now to reach a level of business swahili and not sheng anymore or scrapping it from the syllabus! cause Rwandese and Ugandans are coming and as a matter of fact though many Tanzanians swahili is their mother tongue, it is only the mandatoryness at secondary school that improved their grammar and made it that official today to be used in Parliaments and Offices! may be we need to make it a compulsory for job seekers in Tanzania to be competent in swahili for official use, i know Smatta will for sure improve his swahili within a month cause there is no way he will want to go to Nai this soon! :eek::D
     
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