Iranian Elections: Ahmedinejad's Victory and The Aftermath!

[MwanaFalsafa1]

...And that's what they're doing right?...but they're being told not to demonstrate at all!

Kui they have demonstrated ikafanyika a recount. Ahmadinejad ameshinda kwa kura 11million mpaka Ayatollah akauliza mtu ataibaje kura zote hizo. So at this stage the best place for the people to go and demand there rights is the court. Na hata kama useme the court inaongozwa na Ayatollah you have to ask yourself Ayatollah anaruhusiwa kufanya hivyo kikatiba? Kama ana ruhusiwa then let the man do his job.

 

[kui]

Kui before complaining you have to know sheria zao. Katiba ya Iran imempa nguvu zote The Ayatollah so it is within the Ayatollah's judistriction kuamua hii kesi. Kwani Mousavi hakujua kwamba Ayatollah ana nguvu zote. Kwa nini asinge lalamikia katiba? I don't like it but ni sheria yao and I have to respect it.

Mwana F, that's what am saying, of course he knows by the end of the day, tha Ayatollah jud. will decide their fate, na pia nasema, they's nothing they can do...am being cheap but it's true, kesi ya mbuzi wampelekaa fisi.

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

Mwana F, that's what am saying, of course he knows by the end of the day, tha Ayatollah jud. will decide their fate, na pia nasema, they's nothing they can do...am being cheap but it's true, kesi ya mbuzi wampelekaa fisi.

Lakini Kui kama katiba yao wenyewe imempa hizo nguvu Ayatollah sasa hapo ni kosa la nani? Tupende tusipende katiba is very clear kwamba Ayatollah has the final say. Je Ayatollah angekua in favor of Mousavi ungesemaje Kui?

 

[kui]

Kui they have demonstrated ikafanyika a recount. Ahmadinejad ameshinda kwa kura 11million mpaka Ayatollah akauliza mtu ataibaje kura zote hizo. So at this stage the best place for the people to go and demand there rights is the court. Na hata kama useme the court inaongozwa na Ayatollah you have to ask yourself Ayatollah anaruhusiwa kufanya hivyo kikatiba? Kama ana ruhusiwa then let the man do his job.[/QUOTE

AND WHO COUNTED THE VOTES, SI WENYEWE HAOHAO... I think it would've been fair someone from somewhere different to do the recount...

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

I am sure if the roles were reversed here basi na supporters wa Ahamadinejad nao wange lalamika vile vile. Kama wamempa nguvu ya kisheria Ayatollah it means they have trusted him to make the right choices for them. So hauwezi kuilalamikia sheria when it is not in your favor lakini uisupport when it is in your favor.

 

[kui]

Lakini Kui kama katiba yao wenyewe imempa hizo nguvu Ayatollah sasa hapo ni kosa la nani? Tupende tusipende katiba is very clear kwamba Ayatollah has the final say. Je Ayatollah angekua in favor of Mousavi ungesemaje Kui?

He has the final say yea but, at this point, nothing will be fair...and the Ayatollah will never be in mousavi's favor.

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

AND WHO COUNTED THE VOTES, SI WENYEWE HAOHAO... I think it would've been fair someone from somewhere different to do the recount...

Ok so what do you suggest should have been done or should be done?

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

He has the final say yea but, at this point, nothing will be fair...and the Ayatollah will never be in mousavi's favor.

What if he was in Mousavi's side? Ungesema anamuonea Ahmadinejad?

 

[kui]

Ok so what do you suggest should have been done or should be done?

The recount is important but, not with someone from within...wouldn't come out fairly.

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

The recount is important but, not with someone from within...wouldn't come out fairly.

So who should it be? Nataka kusikia mawazo yako. Maana ukikataa kitu lazima utoe alternative.

 

[kui]

What if he was in Mousavi's side? Ungesema anamuonea Ahmadinejad?

Noo!, bwana we hiki kitumbua kishaingia mchanga...Ahmadinajad kashinda but, they've learn their lesson. You can't put people down all the time.

 

[kui]

So who should it be? Nataka kusikia mawazo yako. Maana ukikataa kitu lazima utoe alternative.

Anybody from out of their circle

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

Noo!, bwana we hiki kitumbua kishaingia mchanga...Ahmadinajad kashinda but, they've learn their lesson. You can't put people down all the time.

The problem here is the system not the election. The system here is that if need be the Ayatollah will have the final say. Mousavi must have known how the system works before he entered into this process. So why should he complain simply because the system didn't work for him? Kama wameona kuna tatizo hili ni fundisho kwamba katiba inabidi iangaliwe upya lakini again that is up to the people of Iran.

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

Anybody from out of their circle

And how sure can we be that those outside the circle won't favor any candidate? Na pia you have to no who is within the circle kujua hao ambao watakuwa outside the circle ni wakina nani.

 

[kui]

And how sure can we be that those outside the circle won't favor any candidate? Na pia you have to no who is within the circle kujua hao ambao watakuwa outside the circle ni wakina nani.

Ngoja nikuweke kiporo...ntakurudia!

 

[MwanaFalsafa1]

You know I feel your pain Kui but tunabidi tujue there is no such thing as a perfect democracy. A good example is the U.S. in their 200 elections. Any system will always favor one side over the other whether we like it or not. What a candidate must do is to make sure the scale is tipped in their favor. Which ever way you look at this election ilikuwa lazima ifavor one candidate, it just happened that that candidate was not the one you preferred. I'm just trying to look at this in an unbiased way and considering their katiba.

 

[Gamba la Nyoka]

Aisee hii ni very good debate:

Jana nilipoangalia ile hotuba ya Khamenei nimepata wazo kwamba ile system ya Iran inawafaa:

1. ile ni system ambayo ni blend kati ya religious sytem na secular system. Upande mmoja unatoa spiritual guidance na upande wa pili unatoa secular guidance, ili Iran iwe stable inahitajika hizi system zifanye kazi vizuri, busara, hekima inabidi vitawale sana lasivyo kutakuwa na mikwaruzano isiyoisha.

2.Iran kama taifa liliokuwa chini ya Ufalme kwa miaka mingi(rejea persia empire) na pia ufalme wa juzi hapa ule wa Shah uliong'olewa, ni taifa ambalo uwepo wa strong man umekuwa ni sehemu ya culture yao,kwa zamani role hii ilikuwa ikishikwa na mfalme lakini kwa sasa imeshikwa na Ayatollah, japo at the same time kuna modernization ambapo raisi anachaguliwa kidemokrasia.

3.Iran ikifuata Western System nadhani haiwezi kuwa stable, kwa sababu system ya west haiblend na culture yao ambayo ni partly ufalme ufalme plus spirituality plus modernization, Western system itaondoa umoja wa wairan na kusababisha civil tensions.

4. kwa jinsi kwamba serikali ya Bush iliwahi kukiri kwamba kuna budget maalum ya kuidistabilize Iran, siwezi kuona ni kwa namna gani Marekani haijatia mkono katika suala hili.

5. Irani kuviblock vyombo vya habari kama BBC mimi ninaona sawa, hasa ukizingatia role iliyoplay BBC Persia Channel katika kuuangusha utawala wa Waziri mkuu Mossadegh, pale ambapo BBC persian channel ilipokuwa ikituma Coded messages ambazo wapinduaji walikuwa wakitumia kuwasiliana.

6. Iran itaibuka katika mgogoro huu ikiwa very much Stronger, kwa maana haki itakuwa ni jambo ambalo Viongozi wa Iran watakuwa macho nalo.

7. Mousavi nguvu yake ni power of the moment, yeye binafsi nadhani atakuwa anahofia fate yake na legacy yake ndo maana anajaribu kuwatumia waandamanaji ili apate better deal haraka iwezekanavyo, na at the same time waandamanji siyo kwamba wanamzimika Mousavi kihivyo, bali nao wanamtumia ili waweze kupeleka ajenda yao mbele.

 

[Masanja]

I am no fan of Khamenei or Ahamednejad, lakini katika hili swala I am very much purturbed na the so called democrats. Honestly, all this is just a western ploy trying to meddle in the affairs of Iran and cause Chaos. They have for long time failed to get a perfect excuse to interfere in Iran to arraign the neuclear project.... Now that opportunity has presented itself they are trying to.

No doubt there might have been irregularities, but what westerners and their stoogies in Iran fail to understand is that you cannot steal 11 million votes. I personally would support the opposition stance if there was no western influence. Harafu hawa waandamanaji ni watu wa mjini.."kizazi kipya" yet I can assure you...ukienda vijijini..Ahamednejad alishinda kwa landslide..hata wakipiga kura tena..jamaa atashinda..

Knowing what the western world want.. No body can ever tell me that US, UK and their western allies have genuine interests in the lives of common Iranians..they just want to get an excuse for regime change. Bila aibu juzi nasoma op-ed ya Wolfwitz na maneo-con kibao eti wanashadadia US iwasaidie Iranian opposition...ni hawa hawa..wameipiga Iraq..Afghanistan..kwa ajili ya ku-export democracy! Its really sad..na watu tumeshakunywa koolaid ya CNN..kuilaumu serikali ya Iran..hivi lakini kwa nini...democracy iwe ni ile wazungu wanayotaka? if their preferred candidate doesnt win..then there is no democracy..if the dictator wins..then no problem....as long as they want him..

When it comes to democracy I trust no body in the western world. And the good thing is they have the CNN, BBC, France24 et al..doing their bidding. Yaani mimi nimekereka mpaka sina hamu na hawa wazungu..wanavyojifanya wao ndo wanajua definition ya freedom.

I am not a fun of Iran..ila katika hili..niko pamoja na hawa wazee..maana wazungu wa magharibi wanatugeuza wajinga wote collectively...somebody needs to stand up and flex like them..

 

[BAK]

13 June 2009 13:47 UK
BBC News Online

Country profile: Iran

Iran in Maps
Iran became a unique Islamic republic in 1979, when the monarchy was overthrown and religious clerics assumed political control under supreme leader Ayatollah Khomenei.

The Iranian revolution put an end to the rule of the Shah, who had alienated powerful religious and political forces with a program of modernization and Westernization.

Persia, as Iran was known before 1935, was one of the greatest empires of the ancient world, and the country has long maintained a distinct cultural identity within the Islamic world by retaining its own language and adhering to the Shia interpretation of Islam.

Overview
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In 2002, US President George W Bush declared Iran as part of an "axis of evil". Washington accuses it of undermining its efforts in Iraq and of trying to develop nuclear weapons.

Iran, which is building its first atomic power station with Russian help, says its nuclear ambitions are peaceful.

AT-A-GLANCE

Politics: Conservatives have kept reformers at bay and retain power in the complex system of religious and democratic government
Economy: Iran holds 9% of world oil reserves; a critical shortfall in jobs has hit the young
International: Iran has defied international pressure over its nuclear programme; it is accused of funding terrorism and some fear its burgeoning regional influence

Timeline
In 2006 the government announced that it had succeeded in enriching uranium. President Ahmadinejad said Iran has an "inalienable right" to produce nuclear fuel.

The country has an abundance of energy resources - substantial oil reserves and natural gas reserves second only to those of Russia.

Iran has been led by a conservative elite since 1979, but appeared to be entering another era of political and social transformation with the victory of the liberals in parliamentary elections in 2000.

But the reformists, kept on the political defensive by powerful conservatives in the government and judiciary, failed to make good on their promises.

Former President Mohammad Khatami's support for greater social and political freedoms made him popular with the young - an important factor as around half of the population is under 25.

But his liberal ideas put him at odds with the supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, and hardliners reluctant to lose sight of established Islamic traditions.

The elections of June 2005 dealt a blow to the reformists when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Tehran's ultra-conservative mayor, became president.

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Full name: Islamic Republic of Iran
Population: 72.2 million (UN, 2008)
Capital: Tehran
Area: 1.65 million sq km (636,313 sq miles)
Major language: Persian
Major religion: Islam
Life expectancy: 69 years (men), 73 years (women) (UN)
Monetary unit: 10 Iranian rials = 1 toman
Main exports: Petroleum, carpets, agricultural products
GNI per capita: US $3,470 (World Bank, 2007)
Internet domain: .ir
International dialling code: +98

Leaders
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Supreme leader: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

The supreme leader - the highest power in the land - appoints the head of the judiciary, military leaders, the head of radio and TV and Friday prayer leaders.

Ayatollah Khamenei, the authority on matters of state

Iran: Who holds the power?
Moreover, he selects six members of the Guardian Council, an influential body which has to pass all legislation and which can veto would-be election candidates.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was appointed for life in June 1989, succeeding Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic republic. He served two consecutive terms as president in the 1980s.

He has intervened on behalf of conservatives, coming into conflict with former president Mohammad Khatami and other reformists.

President: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Tehran's ultra-conservative mayor, won a run-off vote in elections in June 2005, defeating his rival, the former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, to become Iran's first non-cleric president for 24 years.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad defends Iran's nuclear programme
Much of his support came from poorer and more religious sections of Iran's rapidly growing population, particularly outside Tehran.

Promising an administration of "peace and moderation", he said his government would press on with Iran's controversial nuclear programme.

His outspoken style and hard anti-Western line have often caused outrage abroad, most notably in 2005, when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and described the Holocaust as a "myth". He denied implying a threat to Israel.

Local elections in December 2006 - his first major test at the polls since coming to power - saw his allies trailing moderate conservatives and reformists.

But parliamentary elections in March 2008 - in which many pro-reform candidates were disbarred from standing - saw a strong showing not only by the president's supporters but also by more pragmatic conservatives who oppose his confrontational style of dealing with western countries.

In 2008, he faced mounting criticism of his handling of the economy, with hardship on the rise as a result of falling oil prices and the UN sanctions imposed in response to Iran's nuclear programme.

However, predictions that the parlous state of the economy was likely to damage Mr Ahmadinejad's re-election chances were confounded when he appeared to win a landslide victory in presidential elections in June 2009.

Born near Tehran in 1956, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a former provincial governor and Revolutionary Guards officer. He was actively involved in the Islamic revolution and was a founding member of the student union that took over the US embassy in Tehran in 1979. But he denies being one of the hostage-takers.

Media
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The struggle for influence and power in Iran is played out in the media.

The press in Iran
The relatively free press, a tangible achievement of former President Khatami's government, has been targeted by conservatives. Many pro-reform publications have been closed and reformist writers and editors jailed. The conservative judiciary has also campaigned against the liberal media.

There are some 20 major national dailies, but few Iranians buy a newspaper every day. Sports titles are the biggest sellers.

Broadcasters are more restricted than the press. Despite a ban on owning dishes, foreign satellite TV channels are widely watched; this is largely tolerated by the authorities. Stations operated by exiles in the US were said to have played a role in student protests in 2003.

State-run Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting - IRIB - operates national and provincial networks. Its Jaam-e Jam international TV channels are available worldwide via satellite. IRIB targets Arabic speakers in Iraq and the Middle East via the Al-Alam and Al-Kawthar TV networks.

It launched an English-language satellite station, Press TV, in 2007. President Ahmadinejad said its mission would be "to stand by the oppressed of the world".

Television is very popular, with more than 80% of Iranians being regular viewers. The most-watched network is the third state channel, the youth channel.

IRIB's radio channels include a parliamentary network and Radio Koran. The Voice of the Islamic Republic of Iran, an external radio service, broadcasts via shortwave and the internet.

Iran online: Internet use has mushroomed

Iran's bloggers thrive
By early 2008 there were around 23 million internet users (InternetWorldStats). The web is the main forum for dissident voices. Access is easy to arrange and affordable for middle-class households.

However, service providers are prevented from allowing access to sites deemed to be pornographic or anti-Islamic.

News sites are becoming increasingly important in providing information and insight. They often have strong political leanings. There are tens of thousands of weblogs, with bloggers active both in Iran and among the diaspora. Officials, including President Ahmadinezhad, have launched blogs.

Foreign broadcasters target audiences in Iran; they include the Washington-backed Radio Farda, a music-based station aimed at younger audiences.

The press

Tehran Times - English-language daily, published by state-run body
Iran Daily - English-language, published by official news agency IRNA
Iran News - English-language
Aftab-e Yazd (Sun of Yazd) - reformist daily
Kayhan (Universe) - conservative daily
Resalat (Message) - conservative daily
Etemaad (Confidence) - reformist daily
Etemaad-e Melli (National Trust) - owned by National Trust Party leader Mehdi Karrubi
Jomhuri-ye-Eslami (Islamic Republic) - conservative daily
Jaam-e Jam (Jam's Cup) - large-circulation daily, published by IRIB, reflects broadcaster's editorial line
Television

IRIB - state-run, operates four national networks, provincial and international services
Press TV - IRIB's English-language satellite channel
Radio

IRIB - state-run, operates eight national networks, provincial services and an external service
News agencies

Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) - state-run, English-language pages
Iranian Students News Agency (ISNA) - English-language pages
Fars News Agency - affiliated to Revolutionary Guards, English-language pages
Mehr News Agency - affiliated to Islamic Propagation Organisation, English-language pages

 

[Brutus]

What about those areas where people voted up to 140%, 110%, like over 100%, wakati there was only, I think 70% only of people who voted?? where are all these excess numbers come from??, yaani Mousavi jamani kashindwa at his own ethnic group????, oh!, come on now...

Naona umesahau 2000 Al Gore alishindwa TN na 2004 Sen. Edwards alishidwa ku-deliver NC kwa Kerry.. and you know the outcomes, they both lost election. So si ajabu kwa Mousavi kushindwa kwenye eneo lake la kujidai.
US and its allies wahesabu 4 more years za Ahmadinejad tu. I remember US President aliahidi kuwa na direct talk na watu kama huyu jamaa, so avumilie tu. Welcome to the real world!