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Honor killing

Discussion in 'Habari na Hoja mchanganyiko' started by October, Oct 26, 2009.

  1. October

    October JF-Expert Member

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    I would like to ask my Muslim brothers and Sisters, is there any honour in killing?

    UN estimates that the annual worldwide total of honor-killing victims may be as high as 5,000 mostly Muslim women who have 'dishonoured' their families.

    Is there such thing as justifiable homicide in Quran?

    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing[/ame]

     
  2. Buchanan

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    With Quran as a manual for murder, everything is possible!
     
  3. Mbogela

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    Mkuu ukitaka hoja yako ipate kujadiliwa kwa umakini leta source Makini, Wikipidea kila mtu anaweza kuandika ndio maana watu makini hawatumii wikipedia kama reference, ebu fanya kahome work kako kidogo kabla hao brothers hawajakujibu wapi pengine umeona hii maneno, search kidogo alafu tupe hizo source zingine tuone zinasemaje.
     
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    First I must commend you for bringing up this question and for giving Muslims an opportunity to explain the Islamic position on a seemingly controversial issue.

    Honor killing is a practice predominantly practiced in the Indian sub continent in countries like India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan etc as well as by people of that descent.

    This practice is a cultural practice and has no justification in Islamic shariah. They kill relatives who have shamed the families so they are motivated by desire to uphold family honor-the focus is family reputation.

    In Islam you have no right to kill for honor. When you kill for honor who do you want to impress if not other human beings? Doing stuff for human beings is tantamount to worshipping others than God-shirk, so it is in fact a double sin-killing and motivated to impress human beings.

    However, there are instaces where death penatly is the price for breaking the law, for example if you are convicted of killing the penalty is for you to be taken to the gallows.

    I hope that clarifies the practice.
     
  5. October

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    There are so many source available, if you have time follow this link and read for yourself the stuff i am referring to <http://www.unfpa.org/swp/2000/english/ch03.html>

    Also you can read this Research report titled Dynamics of honor Killings <http://www.unfpa.org/upload/lib_pub_file/676_filename_honourkillings.pdf>
     
  6. Buchanan

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    Kwani Waislamu huwa wanakubali mapungufu yao? Waulize juu ya ugaidi watakuambia ETI "uislamu hauruhusu ugaidi, uislamu ni dini ya amani!" Ukisoma Quran 8:12 inasema, pamoja na mambo mengine kwamba "...I will put terror into the hearts of infidels..." Sasa terror si ndio ugaidi wenyewe? Ni pamoja na mambo mengine mengi, wanakataa-unafiki mtupu!
     
  7. Semenya

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    Naona mmeshaanza ma dibate yenu ya DINI acheni UPUUZI NYIE na wewe mtoa mada hiyo sio religious practice haina uhusiano na dini.
     
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    UN waache uzushi wao marekani wanasababisha vita ngapi AFRICA? ambapo watu kibao wanakufa huku. DRC< Searaleone,Central Africa na Somalia.
     
  9. October

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    Wacha Kisingizio cha kutetea ukatili. Acha kumsingizia marekani kila kitu, Una maelezo kua marekani ameanzisha vipi vita DRC au Central Africa au Somalia, si uroho wao wenyewe ndio uliosababisha vita.

    You have not answered the question of this thread, Is there such a thing as honor killing? Does god allow such a thing? Why are they practicing it?

    AU huna majibu ndio maana unataka hizi topic zisijadiliwe?
    Refer to your thread of Complain <http://www.jamiiforums.com/complaints-congrats-advice/42120-mods-hoja-za-kidini-hazijengi-zinabomoa-jf.html>

    Unataka ukweli huu usiwekwe hadharani ili hawa wauaji waendelee kuuawa?
     
  10. October

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    First of all I am surprised you are condemning me for bringing this truth in light, why do you get so agitated when darkness is brought to light, or when evil is revealed in the public? Evil is evil it does not matter who is doing it, there is no reason whatsoever to justify evil even if it is done by people who hide under an umbrella of religion.

    You are saying Honour killing is not permitted in sharia Law, as far as I am concerned I have seen nothing good out of that thing you are calling sharia, the only thing I have heard is women being killed, peoples right being violated, freedom of worship being denied and churches being blown up right here in Somalia, and many other evil things you hear happening everyday.

    If you are rational you will agree to what I am saying and you will not continue to condone violence against innocent helpless women in the name of religion.

    The problem is that you take every criticism as an attack to your religion regardless of how genuine it may. My intention is not to attack religion but to expose evil and fight evil in disguise. Therefore this is clearly a case of good versus evil, and makes no mistake about it... Good will prevail.
     
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    Here is the basis of Honor Killing from Quran

    4.15 Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women - bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way.

    4.15 Na ambao wanafanya uchafu miongoni mwa wanawake wenu, washuhudizieni watu wane katika nyinyi. Watakapo shuhudia, basi wazuieni majumbani mpaka wafishwe na mauti au Mwenyezi Mungu awatolee njia nyengine.

    Sasa rafiki unabisha nini wakati Qurani inatamka waziwazi na kuruhusu haya mauaji haya? Kwa hiyo hao wanaoua wako sahihi kabisa kulingana na neno la mnyaaaaazi 'mungu'

    Pole kama ulikua hujui.
     
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    Hii kweli inaonyesha hawa Ndugu zetu wagalatia ni wavivu wa kufikiri, Nakusaidia tene:

    1) Qur'an takatifu uliyo nukuu, haijasema wauliwe bali wazuwiwe nyumbani

    2) Jaribu kufahamu maana ya Honor killing kabla huja nukuu Qur'an tukufu
     
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    Qur'an 4:89: Take not infidels as friends&#65279; until they fly in Allah's way; but if they turn back, seize them and kill them wherever you find
    them.
     
  14. October

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    Acha uwongo mchana kweupe, Quran inasema wazuiwe nyumbani mpaka mauti iwakute. How clearer do you want it to be.

    4.15 Na ambao wanafanya uchafu miongoni mwa wanawake wenu, washuhudizieni watu wane katika nyinyi. Watakapo shuhudia, basi wazuieni majumbani mpaka wafishwe na mauti au Mwenyezi Mungu awatolee njia nyengine.

    4.15 Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women - bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way.

    Huna hata aibu ya kudanganya mchana kweupe?
     
  15. MadameX

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    Uncle,

    Pease validate your facts ,the same wikipedia tells you that its cultural thing, you will notice its even common among hindus. The verse you have put also deos not support your baseless argument.

    I just want to make it there is alot of things are done by muslims but not necessarily reprsent Islamic, so its same in here......
     
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    We kweli kubwa la wavivu wa kufikiri, HI QUR'ANI ULIYO NUKUU, HAIKUSEMA WALA KU-SUPOORT HONOR KILLING.

    Hivi hapa JF tutumie lugha gani? lazima turudie kila tunachoandika? mjaribu kufikiri nakuwa makini mnapo soma, usikurupuke tu kujibu

    Soma kwa makini, fikiria, rudiatena kusoma mpaka uhakikishe umeelewa ndo ujibu.
     
  17. Tumain

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    Honor killing is equal to "justified war" alisema obama wakati akipeleka jeshi afghanistan ...the same applies to those who fight against his army the talibans..ok

    Muslims are allowed for self defence, and the general rule of law for war "is Hakuna ku-attack mpaka wawe wameku-attack"

    Hairuhusiwa kugeuza kibao ukipigwa kibao huo ni uzezeta na ujinga na ..huo ni utumwa uliofanywa na wazungu kwa waafrica ndio waislamu walisaidia kukomboa Africa harakati zote zilianzia misikitini ok...

    Proud muslim
     
  18. October

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    Kawaida yenu huwa mnabisha kwa maneno lakini mnatekeleza kwa vitendo.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_ZWTx-QUj4&feature=related[/ame]
     
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    Why are Christians so notorious in sinning throughout the world? What is the real secret behind it?

    As the latest devastating and quite embarrassing reality check study about premarital sex in the United States of America have revealed, 95% of all Americans had premarital sex! Now of course, one must take into consideration that out of the 250 million Americans, there are around 12 to 15 million Muslims, which puts them around the 5% percentile. This means that almost 100% of the Jews and Christians in the US had sex before marriage!
    So why is that? What is it about Christians that makes them so noticeably attracted to pornography, sex, sodomy, homosexuality, lust, drugs, alcohol (thousands die from fatal "drinking and driving" accidents every year), bikinis where 99% of the woman's nakedness is fully exposed, inappropriate clothes, immoral TV and media (their white and black-race music is all about love and sex), violence, gangs, thugs and so on? Why is it that where ever there are Christian dominated societies, these evil things are always at their PRIME?
    I've debated Christians long and hard on this subject before, and even demonstrated to them that their bible sings praises and glories about women's vaginas and breasts tasting like "wine", hence it is a book that promotes pornography, but they still insist that Christianity does not promote these things and that it is man that always falls short from the Glory and Will of GOD Almighty. But non-Christians throughout history and throughout the world, including pagans, all combined aren't even close to the Christians when it comes to these evil things!! And in Islam, we don't really fall that short from the Glory and Will of GOD Almighty. A Muslim who lives in an Islamic atmosphere is completely ignorant about these things!

    The Reason!
    After long and hard discussions with Christians, and after giving much thought into this subject, I think I have finally reached the real and main reason as to why these polytheist trinitarian pagans and infidels are so big and attracted and dying for doing the evil things that I mentioned above. You see, in the past my main argument was simply this:
    1- The Bible contains ample pornography in it.
    2- The Bible contains ample mixed signals and confusing messages about morality, in it, that the Christian reader can not draw the lines from them about what is sin and what is not, especially when it comes to things that are socially and widely accepted such as wearing bikinis, drinking alcohol, taking drugs, and going to bars and personally promoting evil and mischief in the society by supporting these things in wealth and in person (by physically being there).
    3- The Bible contains countless contradictions and corruption both in text and conflicts with confirmed history, that no sane person would take it seriously especially when his sexual, alcoholic and/or drugs urge is at its highest peak! By the way, ironically, even the Bible's own theologians say that the Bible contains ample "fairy tales," "fictions," "fables" and "contradictions":
    The Christian and Bible theologians call them "fictions that exist in the Bible"!
    The Christian and Bible theologians say "The original manuscripts had been lost"!
    The Christian and Bible theologians call them "fairy tales and fables in the Bible"!
    So given these indisputable facts that even among the bible theologians themselves don't disagree with, I simply said that the Bible follower will always fall into sin because all he has is satan to guide him/her. But even with these irrefutable points, many Christians have still objected to them and said that the Bible is innocent from promoting the evil things mentioned above!
    With this said, let me now silence those folks, and I say this respectfully and without hostility, with a new fact about their Bible that will shed more light upon them by Allah Almighty's Grace, Mercy and Will:

    The "man falls short" lie!
    As I mentioned above, most Christians use the claim and excuse about "man always falls short from the Glory and Will of GOD Almighty." This, however, is a very dangerous statement and belief, especially when one follows a corrupt and self-contradicting book like the Bible! The Christians' religion is so perverted and so corrupt that it teaches them that everything that man does is a sin! Man is so surrounded and so flooded with sin that there is no way his belief in GOD Almighty and righteousness would save him from the Eternal Punishment of Hell. He needs a savior and that savior is none other than their false god, who ran to Egypt for his life from King Herod, and who said only GOD Almighty knows and no one else when he was asked about when the Hour will come [2], Jesus Christ.
    Their lies not mentioned in the OT: Now it is worth mentioning that the crucifixion and resurrection lies that form the entire christian belief, have no basis whatsoever in the Bible's Old Testament!
    Now to us Muslims, Jesus Christ is a Prophet from GOD Almighty just like all of the other Prophets, peace and blessings be upon all of them (that includes Prophet Muhammad also), but to the Christians, he is the Creator of the Universe despite this god's embarrassing weaknesses and the countless others that we mentioned on the site. Now it is also worth mentioning that Prophet Jesus said that he is not "good" and that only GOD Almighty "good" and no one else (Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19) [1]. This was his response when a person called him "good master".
    But anyway back to the point, the Christians have so minimized the meaning of "sin" and turned everything into a "sin" including even breathing air, that it no longer became required of them to really try to stop themselves from committing any sin because, to these corrupt infidels, the flood of sins and sinning is so overwhelming that one might as well just give up and live and enjoy his life to the fullest as they are exactly doing now and have been consistently doing throughout the world and history. They also invented the lie of that all sins are equal and all sins deserve the punishment of death! So to these infidels, saying an inappropriate word to someone is the same as committing adultery. This again takes us back to the point about them turning everything into a sin and that only their false god, Jesus, can cause for these sins to be forgiven.

    They have destroyed the true meaning of the word sin!
    And they have invented the lie of "the savior"
     
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    Sasa mwizi anapochomwa moto Dar na mob wanaochukia wizi utasema ndio sheria na katiba ya nchi

    Jaribu kutafautisha Culture/tamaduni na Sheria za kiislam, na ndo maana kilasiku tunasema, msijifundishe uislam kupitia western media, watawapotosha, tumia akili yako acha kuburuzwa, sio kila anachosema mzungu nisawa, hayamambo tulishayaacha we vipiiii!!
    !!
     
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