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God was behind Big Bang, universe no accident: Pope Benedict

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    By Philip Pullella Philip Pullella – 33 mins ago

    VATICAN CITY (Reuters) – God's mind was behind complex scientific theories such as the Big Bang, and Christians should reject the idea that the universe came into being by accident, Pope Benedict said on Thursday.

    "The universe is not the result of chance, as some would want to make us believe," Benedict said on the day Christians mark the Epiphany, the day the Bible says the three kings reached the site where Jesus was born by following a star.

    "Contemplating it (the universe) we are invited to read something profound into it: the wisdom of the creator, the inexhaustible creativity of God," he said in a sermon to some 10,000 people in St Peter's Basilica on the feast day.

    While the pope has spoken before about evolution, he has rarely delved back in time to discuss specific concepts such as the Big Bang, which scientists believe led to the formation of the universe some 13.7 billion years ago.

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    God was behind Big Bang, universe no accident: Pope - Yahoo! News
     
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    Mheshimiwa kule Madrasa haya mambo ya uongo kama huo huwa tunabainishiwa, na ndio maana tunapenda Madrasa, tunajua elimu ya Kidunia imejaa uongo. Tunafundishwa Dunia imeumbwaje na Mwenyezi Mungu. Nimefurahia sana hii Thread kwani wengi husema Madrasa ni "Elimu Akhera" na Elimu hii ya Uongo husema "Elimu Dunia"
    Papa amesema kweli na kila aliyepita Madrasa analifahamu hilo analo sema PAPA !
    (angalizo: zipo hoja za kisayansi zinazokubalika)
     
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    Mkuu ningefurahi zaidi kama ungetuletea ushaidi ili uwafunze wale wa ilmu ya c darwin kuwa dunia iliumbwa na allah wenu.

    Insha-allah, nategemea kupata ilmu kutoka kwako Ally Kombo, kuhusu uumbaji kutokana na allah.
     
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    Lazima huyp Papa hii kaipata kwenye Qur'an kwa sababu kwenye bibilia hakuna hii kitu:

    The Quran on the Expanding Universe and the Big Bang Theory

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    Description: This article delineates the correlation between the most accepted scientific explanation of the origin and expansion of the Universe, and the description of its origin and expansion in the Quran.
    By Sherif Alkassimi (© 2008 IslamReligion.com)
    Published on 16 Jun 2008 - Last modified on 01 Jul 2008
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    Category: Articles > Evidence Islam is Truth > The Scientific Miracles of the Holy Quran
    Category: Articles > The Holy Quran > The Scientific Miracles of the Holy Quran
    Hubble's Law

    For thousands of years, astronomers wrestled with basic questions concerning the universe. Until the early 1920's, it was believed that the universe had always been in existence; also, that the size of the universe was fixed and not changing. However, in 1912, the American astronomer, Vesto Slipher, made a discovery that would soon change astronomers' beliefs about the universe. Slipher, noticed that the galaxies were moving away from earth at huge velocities. These observations provided the first evidence supporting the expanding-universe theory.[1]

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    Before the invention of the telescope in 1608, man could do little more than wonder about the origin of the universe. (Courtesy: NASA)

    In 1916, Albert Einstein formulated his General Theory of Relativity that indicated that the universe must be either expanding or contracting. Confirmation of the expanding-universe theory finally came in 1929 in the hands of the well known American astronomer Edwin Hubble.
    By observing redshifts[2] in the light wavelengths emitted by galaxies, Hubble found that galaxies were not fixed in their position; instead, they were actually moving away from us with speeds proportional to their distance from earth (Hubble's Law). The only explanation for this observation was that the universe had to be expanding. Hubble's discovery is regarded as one of the greatest in the history of astronomy. In 1929, he published the velocity-time relation which is the basis of modern cosmology. In the years to come, with further observations, the expanding-universe theory was accepted by scientists and astronomers alike.

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    With the Hooker Telescope, Hubble discovered that the galaxies were moving away us. Above are photos of known galaxies. (Courtesy: NASA)

    Yet, astonishingly well before telescopes were even invented and well before Hubble published his Law, Prophet Muhammad used to recite a verse of the Quran to his companions that ultimately stated that the universe is expanding.
    "And the heaven We created with might, and indeed We are (its) expander." (Quran 51:47)
    At the time of the revelation of the Quran, the word "space" was not known, and people used the word "heaven" to refer to what lies above the Earth. In the above verse, the word "heaven" is referring to space and the known universe. The verse points out that space, and thus the universe, happens to be expanding, just as Hubble's Law states.
    That the Quran mentioned such a fact centuries before the invention of the first telescope, at a time when there was primitive knowledge in science, is considered remarkable. This is more so considering that, like many people in his time, Prophet Muhammad happened to be illiterate and simply could not have been aware of such facts by himself. Could it be that he had truly received divine revelation from the Creator and Originator of the universe?
    The Big Bang Theory

    Soon after Hubble published his theory, he went on to discover that not only were galaxies moving away from the Earth, but were also moving away from one another. This meant that the universe happened to be expanding in every direction, in the same way a balloon expands when filled with air. Hubble's new findings placed the foundations for the Big Bang theory.
    The Big Bang theory states that around 12-15 billion years ago the universe came into existence from one single extremely hot and dense point, and that something triggered the explosion of this point that brought about the beginning of the universe. The universe, since then, has been expanding from this single point.
    Later, in 1965, radio astronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson made a Noble Prize winning discovery that confirmed the Bing Bang theory. Prior to their discovery, the theory implied that if the single point from which the universe came into existence was initially extremely hot, then remnants of this heat should be found. This remnant heat is exactly what Penzias and Wilson found. In 1965, Penzias and Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMB) that spreads through the universe. Thus, it was understood that the radiation found was a remnant of the initial stages of the Big Bang. Presently, the Big Bang theory is accepted by the vast majority of scientists and astronomers.

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    A microwave map of the leftover from the Big Bang that gave birth to the universe. (Courtesy: NASA)

    It is mentioned in the Quran:
    "He (God) is the Originator of the heavens and the earth…" (Quran 6:101)
    "Is not He who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the likes of them? Yes; and He is the Knowing Creator. His command is only when He intends a thing that He says to it, ‘Be,' and it is." (Quran 36:81-82)
    The above verses prove that the universe had a beginning, that God was behind its creation, and all that God needs to do inorder to create is to say "Be," and it is. Could this be an explanation as to what triggered off the explosion that brought about the beginning of the universe?
    The Quran also mentions:
    "Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?" (Quran 21:30)
    Muslim scholars who have explained the previous verse mention that the heavens and earth were once one, and then God caused them to separate and form into the seven heavens and Earth. Yet, due to the limitations of science and technology at the time of the revelation of the Quran (and for centuries to follow), no scholar was able to give much detail about how exactly the heavens and earth were created. What the scholars could explain was the precise meaning of each word in Arabic in the verse, as well as the overall meaning of the verse.
    In the previous verse, the Arabic words ratq and fataq are used. The word ratq can be translated into "entity" "sewn to" "joined together" or "closed up". The meaning of these translations all circulate around something that is mixed and that has a separate and distinct existence. The verb fataq is translated into "We unstitched" "We clove them asunder" "We separated" or "We have opened them". These meanings imply that something comes into being by an action of splitting or tearing apart. The sprouting of a seed from the soil is a good example of a similar illustration of the meaning of the verb fataq.
    With the introduction of the Big Bang theory, it soon became clear to Muslim scholars that the details mentioned with regards to the theory go identically hand in hand with the description of the creation of the universe in verse 30 of chapter 21 of the Quran. The theory states that all the matter in the universe came into existence from one single extremely hot and dense point; that exploded and brought about the beginning of the universe, matches what is mentioned in the verse that the heaven and Earth (thus the universe) where once joined together, and then split apart. Once again, the only possible explanation is that Prophet Muhammad had truly received divine revelation from God, The Creator and Originator of the universe.


    Footnotes: [1] The First Three Minutes, a Modern View of the Origin of the Universe, Weinberg.

    [2] When the light an object emits is displaced toward the red end of the spectrum. (http://bjp.org.cn/apod/glossary.htm)
     
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    Hivi wee umesha soma Biblia au unaropoka tuu.
     
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    Leta ushahidi, wacha story. mimi nimekuwekea ushahidi hapo juu, kuwa big bang imetajwa kwenye Qur'an na zaidi.
     
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    Angalia mashaka haya ndani ya Kolani yako,

    ALLAH ALIDAI KUWA HANA MSHIRIKA, lakini hapa anatumia WINGI "PLURAL" WE CREATED??!!! Now tell me, who was working with your allah?
     
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    Hakuna ushaidi wowote zaidi ya kujipiga rungu la kichwa mwenyewe. Kwanza naanza kwa kudebunk post yako halafu nitakuletea watertight and impeccable exhibit from the Bible.
     
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    So far, your allah anadai tu kuwa aliumba dunia, lakini bado hajasema aliiumba vipi na kivipi. Bado hujaleta aya inayosema au onyesha au eleza au fafanua ni kivipi allah wako aliumba dunia, zaidi ya madai kuwa eti allah na wenzake waliumba dunia.

    I need ayat that shows and explain the creation
     
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    The broad-minded see the truth in different religions; the narrow-minded see only the differences – Chinese Proverb
     
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    ......... and what is the truth?
     
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    Few things here:
    First, allah claims that he separated the heavens and the earth, meaning the heaven and earth were joined and was one thing.
    Now, (i) where was allah when he was separating the heavens and the earth?
    (ii) what was the first thing your allah created?
    (iii) and where was your allah, since the heaven was not existing at the time of his creation?
    (iv) how did allah created mankind according to Koran?
     
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    Kadri siku zinavyokwenda mbele ndivyo ukweli unavyodhihika, kazi itakuwa kwako binadamu, ama kuukubali au kuukataa ukweli.
    Nimekuwekea references naomba uzipitie kwa makini ili uelewe kilichoandikwa, usiwe na jazba, hautaelewa.

    Creation of the Universe - Harun Yahya

    Harun Yahya - Articles - The Big Bang Echoes through the Map of the Galaxy

    Harun Yahya - Big Bang Theory, the - Download Page

    http://www.jamiiforums.com/jf-doctor/98110-maajabu-ya-kuumbwa-kwa-binaadamu-the-miracle-of-mans-creation.html

    http://www.harunyahya.tv/videoDetail/Lang/4/Product/1251/THE_CREATION_OF_THE_UNIVERSE



     
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    Baba Mtu, thanks for your reply. I listen to some of your attachement but so far I didn't see any constructive and impeccable word from allah himself.

    Do you have any ayats that supports your thoughts?
     
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    mkuu tunasubiri water tight and impeccable exhibit from the bible,ni mda sasa tangu utuahidi au bado unaandaa?
     
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    GENESIS 1:1 NKJ
    1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. GENESIS 1:2 NKJ

    2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.


    Isaiah 45:18 uses the same Hebrew words as Genesis 1:2, saying God did not create it that way.

    ISAIAH 45:18 NKJ
    18 For thus says the Lord, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: "I am the Lord, and there is no other.


    Isaiah 45:18 makes it clear there is a time period between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
     
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    God Created Everything
    REVELATION 4:11 NKJ
    11 "You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and by Your will they exist and were created."


    REVELATION 10:6 NKJ
    6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer,


    ISAIAH 42:5 NKJ
    5 Thus says God the Lord, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it, Who gives breath to the people on it, and spirit to those who walk on it:

    ISAIAH 45:12 NKJ
    12 I have made the earth, and created man on it. It was I -- My hands that stretched out the heavens, and all their host I have commanded.
     
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    Through Jesus
    EPHESIANS 3:9 NKJ
    9 and to make all people see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;

    COLOSSIANS 1:15-18 NKJ
    15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
    16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
    17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
    18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.


    JOHN 1:1-3,10 NKJ
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    2 He was in the beginning with God.
    3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
    10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
     
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    After Its Kind
    GENESIS 1:11 NKJ
    11 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so.

    GENESIS 1:24 NKJ
    24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind"; and it was so.
     
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    Man Created In Image Of God

    GENESIS 1:26-31 NKJ

    26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

    27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

    28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

    29 And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the
    face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

    30 "Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"; and it was so.

    31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
     
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