Germany: Why all this poverty in Tanzania?

[Ogah]

Is it?............

 

[Njilembera]

Hiyo ni diplomatic language ... hawezi kusema kuwa anajua tatizo ni CCM government... kama ningekuwa mimi TZ govt ningejua donors wameanza kutoa criticism zao kiaina....

Excellent observation! I was having a chat with a Swede who returned from Guinea Bissau and she was saying the same thing about that country as the Ambassador is saying about TZ! Down to the point she said, ONLY ONE PERSON needed to change the system, the PRESIDENT! I think she was right. What difference has it made when JK decided to do what he desired, has the parliament ever stopped him from doing that! We have a system in Africa where a national leader has all the powers! Ndiyo maana namtaka Slaa maana yeye ameweka wazi kabisa, jambo la muhimu ni kumpunguzia Raisi madaraka.

Hoja hii CCM hawajaishitukia!

 

[Mkandara]

Hakuna sababu yoyote inayowahusu wananchi isipokuwa UONGOZI MBAYA. NI Uongozi mbaya unaopanga policies mbaya. Uongozi ukishindwa ku generate ajira huwezi kuwalaumu wananchi kwa kutokuwa na kazi wakizungusha mijini kujitafutia riziki zao. Ni uongozi mbaya unaofanya wananchi kutojituma kufanya kazi kwani kama utaratibu ni mbaya watu hutafuta nafasi za kuchomoka kazini. Mishahara kama hailingani na maisha ni vigumu sana wananchi kuweka nguvu zao ktk kazi isiyowawezesha kuishi - common sense!

Huyu balozi kazungumza wazi kabisa:-
1. Tanzania is a country with everything to make it happy. It has among the longest coastlines, big railway lines, massive agricultural potentials and water sources as well as an abundance of other natural resources, but it is not using them well," - SERA na Vipaumbele BOMU kwa majibu haya - It appears to me that you (Tanzania) are stretching yourselves to the limit while all resources you need to register development are there waiting to be exploited..

Na alipotupa Hint hii:- My honest opinion is that the country could have made a lot more mileage from these comparative benefits than has happened," he pointed out, saying even merely tapping the immense potential in tourism a little more seriously, would have made a world of difference.

Sasa tujiulize ni kitu gani kimetukwamisha hata ktk Utalii? - hakuna zaidi ya UFISADI. 3/4 ya Utalii unauzwa nje na fedha hulipwa huko huko ktk account zao kabla watalii hawajaingia nchini na fedha hizo hatuzioni pia serikali inakosa kodi za haki isipokuwa ya kukadiriaNa kibaya zaidi wenye mashirika haya ni wabia na Viongozi wetu wenyewe.

 

[RAJ PATEL JR]

I believe many of you have it right. I think it is both a leadership problem as well as a problem of the mindset of Tanzanians. This mindset might be due to the failed socialist experiment. However, Singapore has proven than mindset and behavioural issues can be solved if you have a strong leader with vision and enough popular support. So really it comes down to leadership. Every country I have looked at that overcome development issues had a strong leader with a solid understanding of all all areas of a country, economic, social, political, etc..

I think what Tanzania might need is what I call economic transformation. Now the problems that face Tanzania are not unique, most African countries face the same problems. However, Tanzania has fewer excuses for failure and average performance. So let me go ahead and list the problems.

- Idle labor
- Insufficient Skilled Labor
- Insufficient Capital
- Insufficient number of entrepreneurs
- Government restrictions limit competition
- Slow government responsiveness
- High prices of value add goods
- Low quality of goods produced (some might want to argue with me on this but I have tried alot of Tanzanian made products. And basically they look great and are packed great but they can not compete with stuff made in Europe. There is no expert with enough knowledge of the product and manufacturing to tweak it enough to make it good)
- High cost of expertise (Over reliance of foreign labor which is highly paid - Some get higher salaries than they get in Europe)
- Poor infrastructure.

Here is the kicker. The only real problems are excessive government regulation and idle labor.

Excessive government regulation basically blocks all new business of ideas from entering the economy unless they are favored by the government. They provide a means for corruption as government has a reason to block stuff. I understand the concern among Tanzanians of having people especially foreigners do whatever they want and ruin the country. However, the cost is an inefficient economy and increased corruption.

Idle labor is huger. if you walk around Dar, or anywhere in Tanzania you see so many idle people. They are able healthy but aren't doing anything. The trick is to somehow get to be working on something productive most of the time. Imagine if we had 5% traditional iron workers, 10% carpenters, 5% mechanics, 5% stone masons and we had used the land to plant massive forests 20 years ago. We would all live in nice wooden/stone houses. We would have stone roads. We would have simple machines but they would work.

The problem is the government is not looking at the issue of labor and training as critically as needed. We don't need people being trained to make trinkets for tourists we need Engineers, chemists, carpenter, iron workers. Then we need the government to provide an alternate startup funding bank. So that local entrepreneurs can get low interest (6%) loans and start their businesses. However, corruption must be stamped out for this to work. So once again it is leadership. This country can achieve 15% growth I know it. However the leader are patting themselves on he back with 5% growth while the masses live in squalor.

Ban Bongo Flavor.
Introduce alcohol prohibition like during the great depression in the 1930's.
Stop wasting that precious time running mouths and gossiping at bars/pubs on weekends i.e instead of engage into something productive, majority of Tanzanians spend more time on boozing:A S 112::moony:
Don't be passive, kind and wait for the government to do something for you.
Be aggressive, go get it by any means necessary, take advantage of what sarrounds you, and don't worry about the government

 

[Mdondoaji]

Ban Bongo Flavor.
Introduce alcohol prohibition like during the great depression in the 1930's.
Stop wasting that precious time running mouths and gossiping at bars/pubs on weekends i.e instead of engage into something productive, majority of Tanzanians spend more time on boozing:A S 112::moony:
Don't be passive, kind and wait for the government to do something for you.
Be aggressive, go get it by any means necessary, take advantage of what sarrounds you, and don't worry about the government

Wewe ni katika watu wana akili finyu sipata kuona na unazungumza mipumba dizaini hata darasa la nne ulishindwa kupita is this kweli the depth of your analysis. Pum**** kabisa how can Tanzanians being aggressive while they have no capital, corrupt government and and leaders who do not respect the rule law?

 

[Azimio Jipya]

You can invest on everything you know ... but if you have overlooked CONSCIOUSENESS as the tool for investment in your development plan you are done .... and destined for extinction!!!

 

[PatPending]

Ban Bongo Flavor.
Introduce alcohol prohibition like during the great depression in the 1930's.
Stop wasting that precious time running mouths and gossiping at bars/pubs on weekends i.e instead of engage into something productive, majority of Tanzanians spend more time on boozing:A S 112::moony:

Pumba hizi, what a person chooses to do in their own spare time is neither mine, yours nor the state's business. Watu wanahaki ya kupiga domo saa yeyote ile. Hivi unaifahamu the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights, nenda kazisome, Tanzania tuliisign kama zilivyofanya nchi zingine za Umoja wa Mataifa.

Hivi unafahamu kwamba Prohibition only gave rise to bootleggers and ended up creating crime cartels that grew so powerful to the extent that they ended up running some major cities like Chicago?

Na pia uki-introduce prohibition unatarajia ajira za wafanyakazi wa viwanda vya vileo, mabaa, mahoteli na outlets pamoja na wakulima wa shayiri, zabibu, miwa n.k watakula wapi? Pia umefikira matatizo yaliyoripotiwa kule Kenya hivi karibuni ya kuhusiana na Chang'aa?

Nenda katafakari vizuri

 

[Kibanga Ampiga Mkoloni]

mimi mwenyewe sijui kwanini tanzania ni masikini

mbona ipo wazi ni rushwa tu!

 

[Kibanga Ampiga Mkoloni]

Is it?............

Yeah IT IS!

 

[Pakawa]

Tanzania ni maskini kwa sababu ya upumbavu na ujinga wa viongozi wake wameshaiuza nchi. Watu wataondokanaje na umaskini wakati kuna wachoyo wabinafsi ambao kwa jina moja tunawaita mafisadi wenye kujilimbikizia mali pamoja na kusign mikataba feki etc etc. Vichwa vya viongozi wetu vimejaa maji taka sio machafu.

 

[RAJ PATEL JR]

Wewe ni katika watu wana akili finyu sipata kuona na unazungumza mipumba dizaini hata darasa la nne ulishindwa kupita is this kweli the depth of your analysis. Pum**** kabisa how can Tanzanians being aggressive while they have no capital, corrupt government and and leaders who do not respect the rule law?

Yes, I'm grade 4 drop out, but have the ability to argue with anybody based on facts.
You are among those who blame the government for each and everything. You expect too much from the government.
I'm pretty certain that you have plenty of arable land in your village, but you are languishing in poverty in Dar. Be creative and use your brain. If you need capital to fund a start up or set up a shop then that's not the responsibility of the govt.. Go see a loan officer at any of those local banks with a viable business plan and be able to give a thorough presentation.
Take a deep breath and remember to drink Kool Aid.

 

[PatPending]

I'm pretty certain that you have plenty of arable land in your village, but you are languishing in poverty in Dar. Be creative and use your brain. If you need capital to fund a start up or set up a shop then that's not the responsibility of the govt.. Go see a loan officer at any of those local banks with a viable business plan and be able to give a thorough presentation.

Ndugu yangu hivi unaishi na kuifahamu Tanzania hususani hii sekta ya fedha au unageneralize tu?

Take a deep breath and remember to drink Kool Aid.

Are you for real? presumably you also want him to eat southern fried chicken and watermelons eeh

 

[RAJ PATEL JR]

Pumba hizi, what a person chooses to do in their own spare time is neither mine, yours nor the state's business. Watu wanahaki ya kupiga domo saa yeyote ile. Hivi unaifahamu the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights, nenda kazisome, Tanzania tuliisign kama zilivyofanya nchi zingine za Umoja wa Mataifa.
Hivi unafahamu kwamba Prohibition only gave rise to bootleggers and ended up creating crime cartels that grew so powerful to the extent that they ended up running some major cities like Chicago?
Na pia ukiintroduce prohibition unatarajia ajira za wafanyakazi wa viwanda vya vileo, mabaa, mahoteli na outlets pamoja na wakulima wa shayiri, zabibu, miwa n.k watakula wapi? Pia umefikira matatizo yaliyoripotiwa kule Kenya hivi karibuni ya kuhusiana na Chang'aa?

Nenda katafakari vizuri

I agree to disagree and accept constructive critism. You have a good point. I know thousands of jobs might be at stakes if JK introduces prohibition, but at least it will save Tanzania from being the nation of chronic alcoholics like the case of US during the depression era or Zambia during Kaunda.
6-month Prohibition might help!!

 

[ejogo]

tatizo tuna policies za kichama au za raisi aliyepo madarakani,badala ya kuwa na policies za nchi ambazo chama chochote au raisi yeyote atakayekuwa madarakani lazima azipe vipaumbele.

 

[sblandes]

Mind set ya watawala ndio shida,wananchi wamekata tamaa sababu ya mipangilio ya serikali isiotekelezeka mwaka hadi mwaka.

Inatakiwa mabadiliko makubwa ya mawazo na kutenda kwa usahihi zaidi kila wakati.Lakini usitegemee wale walioshindwa kufanya hayo tunataka wafanye miujiza la hasha.

Tukubali kwamba watawala hawana muarobaini wa kutukwamua matatizo inatakiwa tupiga hatua mmoja zaidi ya kukubali ukweli nini bora na nini sibora kwa maedeleo ya taifa letu tuache cheap politics na ushabiki wa uwendawazimu. Kama Kiranja hana majibu amwage manyanga na msululu wa makada wake.

Si aibu kukubali ukweli, aibu ni kujifanya unayo majibu sahihi ya kukwamua nchi wakati hata chembe ya jibu huna.

 

[RAJ PATEL JR]

Mind set ya watawala ndio shida,wananchi wamekata tamaa sababu ya mipangilio ya serikali isiotekelezeka mwaka hadi mwaka.

Inatakiwa mabadiliko makubwa ya mawazo na kutenda kwa usahihi zaidi kila wakati.Lakini usitegemee wale walioshindwa kufanya hayo tunataka wafanye miujiza la hasha.

Tukubali kwamba watawala hawana muarobaini wa kutukwamua matatizo inatakiwa tupiga hatua mmoja zaidi ya kukubali ukweli nini bora na nini sibora kwa maedeleo ya taifa letu tuache cheap politics na ushabiki wa uwendawazimu. Kama Kiranja hana majibu amwage manyanga na msululu wa makada wake.

Si aibu kukubali ukweli, aibu ni kujifanya unayo majibu sahihi ya kukwamua nchi wakati hata chembe ya jibu huna.

To me personally it sounds like Tanzanians are very ok with the current economic situation of this nation.
Had they dissatisfied with the government they would have voted out CCM administration long ago.
So let the voters speak!

 

[ICHONDI]

Ambassador Hertz explained that Germany once found itself in a roughly similar quagmire' "and we managed to get on to the path to social and economic development by engaging a really well functioning administration".

"Germany wholeheartedly supports everything meant to keep Tanzania on the development it has chosen for itself," said the envoy, adding: "We recognise it as an icon of political stability in this part of the world and as a country that prizes unity that proudly stands on the solid foundation built under the leadership of Father of the Nation, Mwalimu Julius Nyerere."

I LIKE THIS ARTICLE, IT COULD NOT COME AT A BETTER TIME THAN NOW, WELL DONE GUARDIAN!!

Hata Ujerumani haijui kwa nini tuko maskini hivi. But in a way ametoa jibu la moja kwa moja-- Uongozi, angalia kwenye nyekundu. Ametolea mfano Ujerumani kuwa mambo yalikuwa hayaendi vizuri lakini wakabadilika na kuweka functioning administration. Ndio kitu tunataka Tanzania-- UONGOZI BORA!! Tulimiss hilo kwa miaka mingi sana!!! Na ndio anachosema Dr Slaa!!!

 

[Akwaba]

If you need capital to fund a start up or set up a shop then that's not the responsibility of the govt.. Go see a loan officer at any of those local banks with a viable business plan and be able to give a thorough presentation.
Take a deep breath and remember to drink Kool Aid.

I am afraid it is not as simple as that. This is one of the main issues of economics THE COST OF MONEY.

If you pay 7% interest within 10 years you will have to pay back 2 times your loan amount.
At 10% interest its 2 times in 7 years.
At 15% interest its 2 times the loan amount in 5 years.
At 20% interest it is 2 times in 3.5 years.

What this basically means is any businesses started in Tanzania using bank funding must charge very high prices to cover the insane loan interest. A foreign company will get 8% interest easily. In addition Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, and China all used heavy government sponsorship of certain key companies in their development phase. We need to be cheap in order to build a sustainable economy we can't have all the money going to the banks and high prices. Even in the developed world businesses complain about difficulty to access loans, and these are established businesses. Its a well known problem. Normally overcome by finding alternate sources of finance, such as cooperatives or family. In China they are many occasions where the extended family will lend the money to start a business.

ps. General Electric gets loans at between 3% and 5%.

 

[RAJ PATEL JR]

Tanzania ni maskini kwa sababu ya upumbavu na ujinga wa viongozi wake wameshaiuza nchi. Watu wataondokanaje na umaskini wakati kuna wachoyo wabinafsi ambao kwa jina moja tunawaita mafisadi wenye kujilimbikizia mali pamoja na kusign mikataba feki etc etc. Vichwa vya viongozi wetu vimejaa maji taka sio machafu.

More than 80% of the Voters have been voting for CCM during the elections since the introduction of multi-partism in the 90's.
That says a lot, Pakawa!
Majority of Tanzanians appreciate what the status quo has been doing for them. So the voters will have a final say in the ballot on 10/31/2010

 

[RAJ PATEL JR]

I am afraid it is not as simple as that. This is one of the main issues of economics THE COST OF MONEY.

If you pay 7% interest within 10 years you will have to pay back 2 times your loan amount.
At 10% interest its 2 times in 7 years.
At 15% interest its 2 times the loan amount in 5 years.
At 20% interest it is 2 times in 3.5 years.

What this basically means is any businesses started in Tanzania using bank funding must charge very high prices to cover the insane loan interest. A foreign company will get 8% interest easily. In addition Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, and China all used heavy government sponsorship of certain key companies in their development phase. We need to be cheap in order to build a sustainable economy we can't have all the money going to the banks and high prices. Even in the developed world businesses complain about difficulty to access loans, and these are established businesses. Its a well known problem. Normally overcome by finding alternate sources of finance, such as cooperatives or family. In China they are many occasions where the extended family will lend the money to start a business.

ps. General Electric gets loans at between 3% and 5%.

For that case, the small business owners can unite and form some kind of a union or association and elect a chairperson whose task would be to lobby in the department of Trade/Finance/Treasury. I'm sure the Finance, Treasury or Trade Secretary can work with him on behalf of the entire small business owners community.
Our congressmen can also be of a help for the Tanzanian small business owners i.e. lobbying for soft loans for these small business owners.
Small business owners must see their respective congressmen in their districts or while in congressional sessions in Dodoma, and work with them.