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Exposed: The usa-saudi libya deal

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    Exposed: The US-Saudi Libya deal

    You invade Bahrain. We take out Muammar Gaddafi in Libya. This, in short, is the essence of a deal struck between the Barack Obama administration and the House of Saud. Two diplomatic sources at the United Nations independently confirmed that Washington, via Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, gave the go-ahead for Saudi Arabia to invade Bahrain and crush the pro-democracy movement in their neighbor in exchange for a "yes"

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    vote by the Arab League for a no-fly zone over Libya - the main rationale that led to United Nations Security Council resolution 1973.

    The revelation came from two different diplomats, a European and a member of the BRIC group, and was made separately to a US scholar and Asia Times Online. According to diplomatic protocol, their names cannot be disclosed. One of the diplomats said, "This is the reason why we could not support resolution 1973. We were arguing that Libya, Bahrain and Yemen were similar cases, and calling for a fact-finding mission. We maintain our official position that the resolution is not clear, and may be interpreted in a belligerent manner."

    As Asia Times Online has reported, a full Arab League endorsement of a no-fly zone is a myth. Of the 22 full members, only 11 were present at the voting. Six of them were Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) members, the US-supported club of Gulf kingdoms/sheikhdoms, of which Saudi Arabia is the top dog. Syria and Algeria were against it. Saudi Arabia only had to "seduce" three other members to get the vote.

    Translation: only nine out of 22 members of the Arab League voted for the no-fly zone. The vote was essentially a House of Saud-led operation, with Arab League secretary general Amr Moussa keen to polish his CV with Washington with an eye to become the next Egyptian President.

    Thus, in the beginning, there was the great 2011 Arab revolt. Then, inexorably, came the US-Saudi counter-revolution.

    Profiteers rejoice
    Humanitarian imperialists will spin en masse this is a "conspiracy", as they have been spinning the bombing of Libya prevented a hypothetical massacre in Benghazi. They will be defending the House of Saud - saying it acted to squash Iranian subversion in the Gulf; obviously R2P - "responsibility to protect" does not apply to people in Bahrain. They will be heavily promoting post-Gaddafi Libya as a new - oily - human rights Mecca, complete with US intelligence assets, black ops, special forces and dodgy contractors.

    Whatever they say won't alter the facts on the ground - the graphic results of the US-Saudi dirty dancing. Asia Times Online has already reported on who profits from the foreign intervention in Libya Players include the Pentagon (via Africom), the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), Saudi Arabia, the Arab League's Moussa, and Qatar. Add to the list the al-Khalifa dynasty in Bahrain, assorted weapons contractors, and the usual neo-liberal suspects eager to privatize everything in sight in the new Libya - even the water. And we're not even talking about the Western vultures hovering over the Libyan oil and gas industry.

    Exposed, above all, is the astonishing hypocrisy of the Obama administration, selling a crass geopolitical coup involving northern Africa and the Persian Gulf as a humanitarian operation. As for the fact of another US war on a Muslim nation, that's just a "kinetic military action".

    There's been wide speculation in both the US and across the Middle East that considering the military stalemate - and short of the "coalition of the willing" bombing the Gaddafi family to oblivion - Washington, London and Paris might settle for the control of eastern Libya; a northern African version of an oil-rich Gulf Emirate. Gaddafi would be left with a starving North Korea-style Tripolitania.

    But considering the latest high-value defections from the regime, plus the desired endgame ("Gaddafi must go", in President Obama's own words), Washington, London, Paris and Riyadh won't settle for nothing but the whole kebab. Including a strategic base for both Africom and NATO.

    Round up the unusual suspects
    One of the side effects of the dirty US-Saudi deal is that the White House is doing all it can to make sure the Bahrain drama is buried by US media. BBC America news anchor Katty Kay at least had the decency to stress, "they would like that one [Bahrain] to go away because there's no real upside for them in supporting the rebellion by the Shi'ites."

    For his part the emir of Qatar, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al Thani, showed up on al-Jazeera and said that action was needed because the Libyan people were attacked by Gaddafi. The otherwise excellent al-Jazeera journalists could have politely asked the emir whether he would send his Mirages to protect the people of Palestine from Israel, or his neighbors in Bahrain from Saudi Arabia.

    The al-Khalifa dynasty in Bahrain is essentially a bunch of Sunni settlers who took over 230 years ago. For a great deal of the 20th century they were obliging slaves of the British empire. Modern Bahrain does not live under the specter of a push from Iran; that's an al-Khalifa (and House of Saud) myth.

    Bahrainis, historically, have always rejected being part of a sort of Shi'ite nation led by Iran. The protests come a long way, and are part of a true national movement - way beyond sectarianism. No wonder the slogan in the iconic Pearl roundabout - smashed by the fearful al-Khalifa police state - was "neither Sunni nor Shi'ite; Bahraini".

    What the protesters wanted was essentially a constitutional monarchy; a legitimate parliament; free and fair elections; and no more corruption. What they got instead was "bullet-friendly Bahrain" replacing "business-friendly Bahrain", and an invasion sponsored by the House of Saud.

    And the repression goes on - invisible to US corporate media. Tweeters scream that everybody and his neighbor are being arrested. According to Nabeel Rajab, president of the Bahrain Center for Human Rights, over 400 people are either missing or in custody, some of them "arrested at checkpoints controlled by thugs brought in from other Arab and Asian countries - they wear black masks in the streets." Even blogger Mahmood Al Yousif was arrested at 3 am, leading to fears that the same will happen to any Bahraini who has blogged, tweeted, or posted Facebook messages in favor of reform.

    Globocop is on a roll
    Odyssey Dawn is now over. Enter Unified Protector - led by Canadian Charles Bouchard. Translation: the Pentagon (as in Africom) transfers the "kinetic military action " to itself (as in NATO, which is nothing but the Pentagon ruling over Europe). Africom and NATO are now one.

    The NATO show will include air and cruise missile strikes; a naval blockade of Libyia; and shady, unspecified ground operations to help the "rebels". Hardcore helicopter gunship raids a la AfPak - with attached "collateral damage" - should be expected.

    A curious development is already visible. NATO is deliberately allowing Gaddafi forces to advance along the Mediterranean coast and repel the "rebels". There have been no surgical air strikes for quite a while.

    The objective is possibly to extract political and economic concessions from the defector and Libyan exile-infested Interim National Council (INC) - a dodgy cast of characters including former Justice minister Mustafa Abdel Jalil, US-educated former secretary of planning Mahmoud Jibril, and former Virginia resident, new "military commander" and CIA asset Khalifa Hifter. The laudable, indigenous February 17 Youth movement - which was in the forefront of the Benghazi uprising - has been completely sidelined.

    This is NATO's first African war, as Afghanistan is NATO's first Central/South Asian war. Now firmly configured as the UN's weaponized arm, Globocop NATO is on a roll implementing its "strategic concept" approved at the Lisbon summit last November

    Gaddafi's Libya must be taken out so the Mediterranean - the mare nostrum of ancient Rome - becomes a NATO lake. Libya is the only nation in northern Africa not subordinated to Africom or Centcom or any one of the myriad NATO "partnerships". The other non-NATO-related African nations are Eritrea, Sawahiri Arab Democratic Republic, Sudan and Zimbabwe.

    Moreover, two members of NATO's "Istanbul Cooperation Initiative" - Qatar and the United Arab Emirates - are now fighting alongside Africom/NATO for the fist time. Translation: NATO and Persian Gulf partners are fighting a war in Africa. Europe? That's too provincial. Globocop is the way to go.

    According to the Obama administration's own official doublespeak, dictators who are eligible for "US outreach" - such as in Bahrain and Yemen - may relax, and get away with virtually anything. As for those eligible for "regime alteration", from Africa to the Middle East and Asia, watch out. Globocop NATO is coming to get you. With or without dirty deals.
     
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    Could you please provide us with your source for the item bove????
     
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    Obama Signed Secret Libya Order Authorizing Support For Rebels

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    First Posted: 03/30/11 04:21 PM ET Updated: 03/30/11 04:35 PM ET

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    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama has signed a secret order authorizing covert U.S. government support for rebel forces seeking to oust Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, government officials told Reuters on Wednesday.

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    Obama signed the order, known as a presidential "finding", within the last two or three weeks, according to four U.S. government sources familiar with the matter.

    Such findings are a principal form of presidential directive used to authorize secret operations by the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA and the White House declined immediate comment.

    News that Obama had given the authorization surfaced as the President and other U.S. and allied officials spoke openly about the possibility of sending arms supplies to Gaddafi's opponents, who are fighting better-equipped government forces.

    The United States is part of a coalition, with NATO members and some Arab states, which is conducting air strikes on Libyan government forces under a U.N. mandate aimed at protecting civilians opposing Gaddafi.

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    In interviews with American TV networks on Tuesday, Obama said the objective was for Gaddafi to "ultimately step down" from power. He spoke of applying "steady pressure, not only militarily but also through these other means" to force Gaddafi out.

    Obama said the U.S. had not ruled out providing military hardware to rebels. "It's fair to say that if we wanted to get weapons into Libya, we probably could. We're looking at all our options at this point," the President told ABC News anchor Diane Sawyer.

    U.S. officials monitoring events in Libya say that at present, neither Gaddafi's forces nor the rebels, who have asked the West for heavy weapons, appear able to make decisive gains.

    While U.S. and allied airstrikes have seriously damaged Gaddafi's military forces and disrupted his chain of command, officials say, rebel forces remain disorganized and unable to take full advantage of western military support.

    SPECIFIC OPERATIONS

    People familiar with U.S. intelligence procedures said that Presidential covert action "findings" are normally crafted to provide broad authorization for a range of potential U.S. government actions to support a particular covert objective.

    In order for specific operations to be carried out under the provisions of such a broad authorization -- for example the delivery of cash or weapons to anti-Gaddafi forces -- the White House also would have to give additional "permission" allowing such activities to proceed.

    Former officials say these follow-up authorizations are known in the intelligence world as "'Mother may I' findings."

    In 2009 Obama gave a similar authorization for the expansion of covert U.S. counter-terrorism actions by the CIA in Yemen. The White House does not normally confirm such orders have been issued.

    Because U.S. and allied intelligence agencies still have many questions about the identities and leadership of anti-Gaddafi forces, any covert U.S. activities are likely to proceed cautiously until more information about the rebels can be collected and analyzed, officials said.

    "The whole issue on (providing rebels with) training and equipment requires knowing who the rebels are," said Bruce Riedel, a former senior CIA Middle East expert who has advised the Obama White House.

    Riedel said that helping the rebels to organize themselves and training them how use weapons effectively would be more urgent then shipping them arms.

    According to an article speculating on possible U.S. covert actions in Libya published early in March on the website of the Voice of America, the U.S. government's broadcasting service, a covert action is "any U.S. government effort to change the economic, military, or political situation overseas in a hidden way."

    ARMS SUPPLIES

    The article, by VOA intelligence correspondent Gary Thomas, said covert action "can encompass many things, including propaganda, covert funding, electoral manipulation, arming and training insurgents, and even encouraging a coup."

    U.S. officials also have said that Saudi Arabia and Qatar, whose leaders despise Gaddafi, have indicated a willingness to supply Libyan rebels with weapons.

    Members of Congress have expressed anxiety about U.S. government activates in Libya. Some have recalled that weapons provided by the U.S. and Saudis to mujahedeen fighting Soviet occupation forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s later ended up in the hands of anti-American militants.

    There are fears that the same thing could happen in Libya unless the U.S. is sure who it is dealing with. The chairman of the House intelligence committee, Rep. Mike Rogers, said on Wednesday he opposed supplying arms to the Libyan rebels fighting Gaddafi "at this time."

    "We need to understand more about the opposition before I would support passing out guns and advanced weapons to them," Rogers said in a statement.

    (Additional reporting by Susan Cornwell; Editing by David Storey)
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    Today 10:48 PM Government Rejects Rebels' Ceasefire [​IMG] Reuters reports:
    [​IMG] @ Reuters : FLASH: Libyan government rejects rebels' conditions for ceasefire, says troops will not leave Libyan cities More to come.


    Today 10:02 PM 'Don't Arm The Rebels, Train Them' [​IMG] Robert Haddick, writing at Foreign Policy, argues that the rebels need combat skills much more than they need heavy artillery. He writes:
    On March 30, it was reported that CIA officers were in Libya with the rebels, making an assessment of their situation and possibly directing airstrikes in support of their fighters. We can gather from open sources much of what these intelligence officers are likely to report. As a military force, Libya's rebels are a disorganized rabble and seem incapable of preparing and holding defensive positions or maneuvering effectively against rudimentary enemy resistance. The rebels need boot camp, fundamental infantry training, and the development of some battlefield leaders, not a new stockpile of weapons.Those Western leaders whose plan currently consists of hoping that Qaddafi will be spontaneously overthrown need to think again. Absent a Western invasion of the country, the rebel force is the only means of removing Qaddafi, and the rebels will need many months or even years of training before they are capable of defeating loyalist ground units and marching all the way to Tripoli.
    Read the entire piece here.


    Today 9:59 PM Gunfire In Gaddafi's Compound [​IMG] Gunfire has been reported in Gaddafi's compound. Reuters reports:
    Sustained gunfire rang out near Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's heavily fortified compound in Tripoli on Friday and residents said they saw snipers on rooftops and pools of blood on the streets.
    It was not clear what triggered long bursts of machinegun and automatic gunfire that echoed around the city center for about 20 minutes and stopped before dawn.
    Cars were heard speeding along central Tripoli streets, their tires screeching on the asphalt. Distant shouting or chanting also was heard.


    Today 7:02 PM Journalist Describes His Ordeal In Libya [​IMG] A journalist who was picked up by Libyan security details his ordeal. Here's an excerpt of his story from Reuters:
    We sat quietly. I turned to Chris, a London-based Canadian I had worked with in Iraq. I said I thought they would kill us.
    A soldier opened the lock and the rear door swung open again. We looked down at the back of a station wagon which had been opened up to reveal some blankets. I thought they would perhaps drive us away. Maybe they were going to free us?
    But a closer look showed feet poking under the blankets.
    Soldiers then pulled aside the coverings and hauled three handcuffed young men up and in beside us. When we were locked in again, they told us they were Libyan university students.
    Later, several soldiers came in. "Who are you?" one asked me. We are Reuters journalists, I said. He is our driver. We have permission. We were invited here by your government.
    The soldier shook his head. "Bad time to be a journalist in Libya." Reporters were part of a foreign conspiracy against Libya, he said. But then he made it clear that if they decided we were not journalists but spies, that would be worse.
    "If you tell us the truth, it should be fine, God willing. But if we catch you lying, oh we will show no mercy. None."
    Read the rest here.


    Today 6:37 PM Rebels Make Oil Deal With Qatar [​IMG] Libyan rebels have made a deal to sell oil to Qatar. Reports the AP:
    A plan to sell rebel-held oil to buy weapons and other supplies has been reached with Qatar, a rebel official said Friday, in another sign of deepening aid for Libya's opposition by the wealthy Gulf state after sending warplanes to help confront Moammar Gadhafi's forces.
    It was not immediately clear when the possible oil sales could begin or how the arms would reach the rebel factions, but any potential revenue stream would be a significant lifeline for the militias and military defectors battling Gadhafi's superior forces.


    Today 4:56 PM Gaddafi Forces Attack Homes In Misrata [​IMG] Gaddafi forces are attacking home in Misrata, according to rebels. Reuters reports:
    Forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi are mounting an intense artillery bombardment of rebel-held Misrata and pro-Gaddafi troops are attacking shops and homes in the city center, a rebel spokesman said.
    Misrata is the last big rebel stronghold in western Libya but after weeks of shelling and encirclement, government forces appear to be gradually loosening the rebels' hold on the city, despite Western air strikes on pro-Gaddafi targets there.


    Today 3:52 PM Libyan Opposition Set Conditions For Cease-Fire [​IMG] The Associated Press reports:
    Libya's rebels will agree to a cease-fire if Moammar Gadhafi pulls his military forces out of cities and allows peaceful protests against his regime, an opposition leader said Friday.Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, head of the opposition's interim governing council based in Benghazi, said the rebels' condition for a cease-fire is "that the Gadhafi brigades and forces withdraw from inside and outside Libyan cities to give freedom to the Libyan people to choose and the world will see that they will choose freedom."
    Read more here.


    Today 3:41 PM Rebels Move On Oil Town [​IMG] Libyan rebels moved towards the key oil town of Brega on Friday, as conditions drifted towards a stalemate. Reuters reports:
    Libyan rebels moved heavier weaponry toward the oil town of Brega on Friday and sought to marshal rag-tag units into a more disciplined force to regain momentum against Muammar Gaddafi's regular army.
    While military action appeared to drift toward stalemate, coalition diplomatic efforts focused on breaking Gaddafi's hold on power in Tripoli. London urged Gaddafi loyalists to abandon him, following the defection of Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa.
    Rebels said neither side could claim control of Brega, one of a string of oil towns along the Mediterranean coast that have been taken and retaken several times by each side in recent weeks. The insurgents have failed to hold gains, even when helped by Western air strikes.


    Today 10:17 AM German Foreign Minister Calls For Libya Cease-Fire [​IMG] From Al Jazeera:
    German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle says Libya's crisis cannot be resolved through military means and all sides must get to work on a political resolution.Westerwelle said on a visit to China that a first step must be a cease-fire that is heeded by Gaddafi.
    More details here.


    Today 1:35 AM Senators Kerry And McCain Draft Legislation Authorizing Use Of Force In Libya [​IMG] BBC News reports that U.S. senators are drafting legislation that would authorize the use of force in Libya. The senators include John Kerry and John McCain.
    The 1973 War Powers Act says US armed forces must start to withdraw after 60 days unless explicitly authorised to fight by Congress. In the case of Libya, that mark would fall on 20 May, Mr Kerry said.​
    More here.


    Today 1:14 AM Is Involvement In Libya A Slippery Slope? [​IMG] The National Journal reports that the U.S. may be on a slippery slope when it comes to the Libyan mission:
    It's an old question, but we've been through enough of these interventions now --from Vietnam to Kosovo to Afghanistan--to insist on asking it once again: Is the United States on a slippery slope in Libya, one that will lead to American military involvement on the ground? The evidence, on balance, is that under President Obama the U.S. presence is going to expand quickly-but covertly.​
    Read the full article here.


    Today 1:06 AM Libyan Oil Official Denies Reports That He Fled The Country [​IMG] Reuters reports that Libya's top oil official, Shokri Ghanem, has denied rumors that he left the country.
    Al Jazeera television listed Ghanem as one the figures who had left Libya, but Ghanem said in a phone call, "This is not true, I am in my office and I will be on TV in a few minutes."
    More here.


    Today 0:47 AM London Mayor: We May Be Inadvertently 'Entrenching Support For The Mad Colonel' [​IMG] BBC News reports that London Mayor Boris Johnson, a Conservative, offers his concerns about involvement in Libya:
    "I am worried that what we may be doing inadvertently is entrenching support for the mad colonel... I do worry that if we get into a stalemate, if the rebels don't seem to be making the progress we hope they would make, then we should be brave enough to say to ourselves our policy isn't working."
    More here.


    Today 0:35 AM Second Top Libyan Official Defects, Government Cracks Down To Prevent Officials From Leaving [​IMG] The New York Times reports that as a second top Libyan official, Ali Abdussalam el-Treki, defects from the Gaddafi government, fears mount within the regime.
    The capital of Tripoli was alive with rumored defections on Thursday, with the prime minister and the speaker of Parliament, among other top figures, said at various times to be quitting the country. None of those reports could be verified. But the authorities were taking no chances, assigning guards to senior officials to assure they cannot leave, a former Libyan official said.​
    More here.


    Today 0:30 AM U.S. Admiral Claims Bad Weather Hampered Air Strikes [​IMG] BBC News reports that, according to U.S. Admiral Mike Mullen, international air strikes have been hampered by bad weather over the past few days.
    According to AFP, Mullen says that they have not been able to see through the weather to identify targets. "And that has more than anything else reduced the impact... reduced the effectiveness, and has allowed the regime forces to move back to the east."
    More here.


    Today 0:16 AM WATCH: At Least Four Senior Figures Reportedly Plan To Defect From Gaddafi Gov't [​IMG] Al Jazeera reporter Anita McNaught discusses the defections in Libya:
    "We got word from sources outside of Tripoli that there were at least four senior figures from the Gadaffi administration who were perhaps in Tunisia, or certainly outside the country and not intending to go home. These were, last night as we understood it, the current head of the Intelligence Service, the Oil Minister (and I'll mark a question mark with that in a minute), the Secretary of the General People's Congress, and the Deputy Foreign Minister."


    SOURCE: Obama Signed Secret Libya Order Authorizing Support For Rebels
     
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    Eqlypz JF-Expert Member

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    Macos wakati naendelea kusoma hiyo article yako naomba nikuulizwa swali moja, kwa nini Saudi Arabia wanataka Gaddafi atolewe madarakani, don't you think Iran poses more danger to the kingdom than Libya?
     
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    saudi hawataki gadhafi aondolewe as such ..wao wanadhani bahrain itayo kuwa ya kidemocrasia itakua ya mashia...kwao mashia kuwa karibu na mpaka wao basi ni hatari kwa mustakabali wao...kwasababau itaifikisha iran karibu zaidi na wao hivyo ndio maana saudi ameingilia bahrain kijeshi kwa makubaliano na mabwana zao wa marekani kwamba ashawishi arab league to support libya invasion na yeye apewe go ahead ya kuivamia bahrain.
    Bahrain ndio kituo kikubwa cha jeshi cha usa kwa middle east.nadhani utaelewa mchezo mchafu ulivotengenezwa.
    Na sasa tumeanza kuona faida za africom......
     
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    hapo kwenye red inaonyesha hujui historia vizuri ya nchi unazozipenda-saudi,bahrain n.k wana umoja wao ndo maana saudi wamepeleka wanajeshi wao huko-soma hapa uelewe
    Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf -
     
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    Eqlypz JF-Expert Member

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    Mh lakini kumbuka kuwa GCC wana makubaliano ya kuwa nchi mojawapo ikiingiliwa au inapopata machafuko basi nchi mwanachama inaruhusiwa kwenda kuisaidia.

    AFRICOM inahusika vipi na Middle East? Middle East inaangukia chini ya CENTCOM ambayo ina ofisi zake Doha, Qatar iyo ya Bahrain ni Naval Support Center.
     
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    Nonda JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu.
    Hiyo habari ya nchi mwanachama kusaidia ni pale inapovamiwa na adui wa nje, sio kwenda kukandamiza wananchi wanaoandamana kudai utanuzi wa ushiriki katika kuendesha nchi,utawala wa nchi
    Kama tunasema Gaddaffi anaua watu wake, hawa wafalme wa Bahrain wanafanya nini?

    Halafu hili la utawala wa sunni kuwatawala majority shia pia yaweza kuwa sababu ya Saudi kuogopa Influence ya Iran.
    Kwa hiyo,it is right kwa Bahrain kuua Raia wake lakini ni ukatili anapofanya Gaddaffi?
    Guys, come on!
     
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    Nonda JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu
    Gaddaffi amekuwa mwiba kwa viongozi wengi wa nchi za kiarabu hasa wafalme.
    Sikiliza hii hotuba ya Gaddaffi anavyowambia ukweli viongozi wenzake wa Arab league!

     
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    Nonda JF-Expert Member

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    Mimi nimekutana nayo baada ya ku-google hapa. Ila mimi sie mleta mada.
    Asia Times Online :: Middle East News, Iraq, Iran current affairs

    US-Saudi Deal on Libya Exposed: Obama OKed Bahrain Invasion in Exchange for 'Yes' Vote on "No-Fly Zone" | World | AlterNet

    Pia kuna hii sasa sijui mtu aamini kipi hapa,kuwa US hakuwa na habari ya Saudi kupeleka jeshi Bahrain..inawezekana kweli?
    AFP: US-Saudi divide revealed in Bahrain
     
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    Eqlypz JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu hapo kwenye red, hili ni tatizo kubwa kwenye nchi za middle east hadi uku kwetu Afrika dominance, visasi na chuki ni nyingi sana.
    - Major General Mutlaq Bin Salem al-Azima
    Interview nzima inapatikana hapa

    NB. Kulikuwa na wanajeshi kutoka UAE vile vile naona inatajwa Saudi Arabia tu.
     
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    Nonda JF-Expert Member

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    mkuu.
    Hapo red sijafahamu ulichokusudia kusema.tafadhali fafanua kidogo.

    Nimesoma interview , huyu bwana anapindisha lengo la vikosi hivyo kuingia Bahrain.
    Simply, lengo ni kukandamiza waandamanaji.

    Saudi ndio wamepeleka kikosi kikubwa.
    Hivi Bahrain waliomba msaada kulinda mipaka au kuwapa nguvu vikosi vya Bahrain.
    Kwani mipaka yao haikuwa salama? Au walihofia nchi gani itaishambulia Bahrain?
    US wana bases zao Bahrain au vipi?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/world/middleeast/15bahrain.html

    Saudi | Troops | Bahrain | Protests

    Saudi sends troops, Bahrain Shi'ites call it "war" - Yahoo! News
     
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    Eqlypz JF-Expert Member

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    Nilikuwa naamanisha kuwa tunapenda sana kutawalana na kuona baadhi ya makabila, dhehebu hayafai kutawala mfano angalia hapo Middle East (Shia na Sunni) Uganda (wanyankole), Kenya, Rwanda etc etc.

    Wanadai kuwa walienda kulinda key facilities kama oil and gas installations and financial institutions.

    "Troops from a number of Gulf states, including Saudi Arabia and the UAE, have arrived in Bahrain at the request of the kingdom, officials say." Kumbuka jamaa waliingia baada ya mfalme wa Bahrain kurudi kutoka Saudia ambako wanasema alienda kuomba msaada. Ila kuna rumor nyingine inasema kuwa serikali ya Saudi Arabia iliipiga mkwara Bahrain na kuiambia kuwa kama isipotatua matatizo yake basi Saudia watakuja kutatua.

    Bahrain ilikuwa inahofia Iran itaingilia, kumbuka Iran ilishawahi kusema kuwa Bahrain ilikuwa ni part ya Iran miaka ya nyuma.

    US Navy Support Center ambayo iko chini ya CENTCOM na 5th Fleet wako based in Bahrain.
     
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    Elungata JF-Expert Member

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    mwaka 2007,inasemwa gadaf aliorder majasusi wake wamuassassinate king Abdallah wa saud so hawa wana beef la binafsi so licha ya kuwepo element za hizbulah miongoni mwa waasi libya bado saud inataka gadaf aondoke ikiwezekana afe.
     
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    Elungata JF-Expert Member

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    he..!!libya is in africa didnt they tell you and AFRICOM have been directing the operation since the begining of the so called nön flying zone.
    Bahran is where the 5fh fleet of usa naval base is .the protest in bahran was led by shia with support from tehran
     
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    Eqlypz JF-Expert Member

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    Duh naona na wewe umerukia tu treni kwa mbele, nimemuuliza kuhusu connection ya Middle East (which falls under CENTCOM) na AFRICOM.
     
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    "According to diplomatic protocol, their names cannot be disclosed ..."

    Ah, the sweet smell of BS.
     
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    Elungata JF-Expert Member

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    and i only pointed that libya is in africa so it fall under AFRICOM not the ME America military base,so no connection or you wanted to hear from macos so you can feel gud,eeh?
    Mybe am missing sumthin here.
     
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    Macos JF-Expert Member

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    ahhh bwana wee sasa na sie hapa tunao eac...lakini hatuingiliani kijeshi kwa mambo ya ndani......sidhani huo umoja wao una malengo ya kudumaza democrasia ......au kuingila mambo ya ndani ya nchi husika......bahrain ni kanchi kadogo....lakini kipo mahala muhimu....marekani wana kituo chao kikubwa cha jeshi...6th fleet...wamewatumia saudia kuuwa democrasia bahrain kwani wanajua watambiwa waondoshe kituo chao....thats the truth.....na sauidia hatakai democrasia jirani na mpaka wao....na ukichukulia oppsition hapo bahrain ni mashia ambao wana uhusiano na iran.....hivo afadhali akubali ghadafi aondolewe ili na yeye azzuie ushia dirishani kwake

     
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