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EAC: Kenya has no reason to bend too low for acceptance

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by Mkenya, Oct 31, 2008.

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    DAILY NATION*- EAC: Kenya has no reason to bend too low for acceptance


    THE EAST AFRICAN community region is a rarity in the contient — five contiguous countries sharing a pre-colonial and colonial history, and presently with a dream to unite their economies and, eventually, as a federated political entity.

    That, at least, is the dream. The reality is a little more discouraging.

    Ugandan MPs are considering a Bill that will make it almost impossible for citizens of other East African countries to invest in the Kampala Stock Exchange.

    This comes in the wake of concern in the country following the losses suffered by Ugandan investors who put their money into the Nairobi Stock Exchange during the Safaricom IPO.

    In Tanzania, nationals of the rest of the EAC are not even allowed to own land.

    A recent EAC leaders’ summit wrung out of Tanzania a protocol allowing non-citizens to settle “so long as they are engaged in economic activities”.

    As the “economic activities” are not defined in the protocol, it is left to local interpretation to decide what does qualify.

    And as Kenyan companies have discovered to their considerable cost, such interpretation is generally anti-EAC and usually anti-Kenyan.

    UNDERLYING THESE AND VARIOUS other actions that go against the “spirit of the EAC” — if ever there was one — is a rabid fear of Kenyans in both Uganda and Tanzania.

    Tanzania — with far more land than Kenya, blessed with hydrocarbons and gold as well as diamonds, without a history of strife or pronounced ethnicity to the extent that Kenya has, and with a larger population than Kenya’s — is much poorer than Kenya.

    Various excuses have been advanced to explain this, the most credible of which is the destructive “Ujamaa” system of economic (under) development that Tanzania followed under President Nyerere.

    Uganda, on the other hand, is bogged down in ethnic insurrections in the north and a simmering, now-on now-off war with rebels in the Congo.

    As a result of the mistrust between the original EAC triumvirate, their borders are bywords for lack of co-operation between the respective border agencies.

    On the Kenya-Uganda border, a rag-tag rebel movement materialised in the last two years, murdering civilians and hacking off the ears of those they did not kill.

    They used the Ugandan side of Mt Elgon as their hideout. The Ugandan authorities were not in the least bit bothered.

    In Tanzania, Kenyans seem to be seen as criminals first and foremost.

    Last year, a Kenyan investor who owned a driving school in Nairobi — a woman, no less — was gunned down in Tanzania on suspicion of being “a bank robber”.

    She was not even armed, and no trace of arms or the proceeds of robbery were found on her person or in her car.

    In fact, one can say that other than for tiny Rwanda — Burundi is too preoccupied with civil war to care one way or the other — Kenya seems to be the unwelcome guest at the EAC table.

    This is short-sighted and nonsensical.

    Uganda, for one, relies on Kenya for virtually all its imports.

    Those not manufactured in Kenya transit through Kenya en route to Kampala — a fact emphasised painfully during the post-election violence when the closure of the Nakuru-Eldoret-Malaba highway resulted in scarcity of commodities, with Uganda’s economy paying a high price as a result.

    There was much talk, at the time, of Tanzania and Uganda developing an alternative route from Dar es Salaam to Mwanza, but such talk has cooled down, as the actual cost of such an undertaking dawned on both countries.

    Tanzania is similarly myopic in its suspicion of Kenya.

    More than 270 Kenyan companies have invested in the country in deals worth a total sum of over $2 billion. The reverse is negligible.

    IN ADDITION, TANZANIA HAS A LOT to gain from allowing non-citizens to purchase or lease land: the World Bank holds that large tracts of land in Tanzania are left idle in the rainy season due to lack of capital, lack of know-how, or both.

    It would be better utilised if a system was found to allow EAC citizens to farm it commercially.

    With its overtures of economic co-operation being spurned by both countries, Kenya should look to southern Sudan, Rwanda and Burundi — and thence to Congo — for reliable economic partners.

    Otherwise, Kenya has already given too many concessions, both economic and political, to continue bending even lower for a regional bloc whose other members are clearly reluctant participants.

    It’s time to move on!
     
  2. deny_all

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    People here in Tanzania haven't forgotten what you Kenyans did to us in the first East Africa Community.....We can't forget history easily like that, so always suspicion will be there.

    There is a swahili saying "Ukishaumwa na nyoka ukiona unyasi unashituka"
     
  3. LazyDog

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    Thank you for bringing this to our attention Mkenya, and it is nice to see you here!
    Are you from Nairobi, Mombasa, Nakuru...? I suspect you have lived in Tanzania before.


    Suppose you would like to know my opinion, this article the way it was written, it confirms how greedy most Kenyans are. You are more similar to the Americans than vice versa. Have a look at what is happening to them now. The same shit is escalating to their close friend and allies, Great Britain.


    Maoni yako nini kuhusu hii makala?



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    Mundu JF-Expert Member

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    This shows how greedy the Kenyans are. If the aforementioned statistics are true, then why the article is complaining while there are more than 270 kenyans Coys operating in Tanzania?

    The fact that there is land scarcity in kenya, history is the only monster to blame here, cause neither Tanzania nor Uganda took part in the so called Partition of Africa.

    You can be small but still be self sufficient brothers and sisters of kenya. Is japan bigger than Congo? have there been of recently, the needy for the japan authority to seek shelter in Korea or Afghanstan?

    The article and its supports if any are myopic in my opinion.
     
  5. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    Aloo wachangiaji,

    natoa caution mapema...tumieni lugha ilioenda shule and avoid
    generalizations please.Tukumbuke mantra mojapo ya JF, hoja
    hujibiwa kwa hoja.

    Shukran.
     
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    Agreed!
    I wrote "most Kenyans", is that not OK ? :)
    If not, I need suggestions please!




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    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    LazyDog,

    Yako poa mkuu na what I'm trying to do is to
    preempt the scenario maana thread kama hizi
    ndivyo zilivyo.

    Regards.
     
  8. Abdulhalim

    Abdulhalim JF-Expert Member

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    I'm sorry to say this, lakini naona kama article imekaa kama 'sizitaki mbivu hizi'..

    Hapo kuhusu suala nyeti la umilikaji wa ardhi, nadhani serikali yetu ipo sahihi, na muongozo wake u wazi kuwa uwekezaji ktk uzalishaji unaohitaji ardhi ni ruksa ikiwa mwekezaji ataingia ubia na Mtanzania.

    Sidhani kama kunahitajika marekebisho ya sheria zetu ili kumfurahisha mgeni mwekezaji.

    I submit.
     
  9. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    You submit and I concur.
     
  10. Kang

    Kang JF-Expert Member

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    Thats true, lakini tatizo ni kwamba tunawayeyusha wenzetu, kama hatutaki EAC si tujitoe, what are we still doing there?
     
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    Sio kuwa hatukaki EAC, hatutaki EAC at their terms the union has to be an agreement of both sides not only we have to bow to what Kenyans and the rest want. By the way how many years did it take Europeans to reach where they are now? Why should we rush then and for whose benefit?

    We know Kenyans badly want our land because of their history where their land ownership was passed from white colonialists to black colonialists cum politicians. This resulted into the masses having no land at all or land being sold at exorbitant prices to the detriment of vast majority who wanted land for other activities like farming and building houses.
     
  12. Ab-Titchaz

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    Kang,

    Swali linakuja hivi..je ni viongozi wetu au ni wananchi wasiotaka hii EAC?
    Kumbuka pia kuna swala la OIC ambalo pia bado liko palepale.
     
  13. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    Naona mkuu you are talking kana kwamba we are outside the box.Mbona basi
    TZ isichukua frontline katika kupendekeza terms ambazo zita-benefit nchi?

    Personally I dont think its justifiable to deny TZ the opportunity to be a
    leading light in the EAC.We dont need to be insunuating that the 'other'
    countries are running the show....Why cant Tz do it ama ni hawa viongozi
    mafisadi waliojua how to take advantage of such opportunites?

    Turn the tables around Tanzania.... lets not chicken out.Lets have our terms
    out on the table and agitate for them to be enforced.

    Regards.
     
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    Suala la Ardhi ni muhimu sana kuliangalia haiwezekani kwamba kwa utaratibu uliokuwepo ikaruhusiwa kila anayetaka kujinyakulia kipande anyakue! huko Kenya sio kwamba ardhi hawana, kimsingi wameruhusu familia chache zimiliki ardhi, haiwezekani familia moja kama ya Kenyatta kumiliki ardhi yenye ukubwa wa nchi ya Rwanda halafu watu wamekaa tu na kuangalia wakifikiria ku expand kwingineko! wafanye redistribution kieleweke. Tanzania hatuna ardhi ya kutosha kwanza ni upuuzi hata kufikiria hivyo na ni kutokufahamu mfumo wa milki ya ardhi Tanzania ulivyo.


    Takwimu za Wizara ya kilimo zinaonyesha kwamba tunakadri ya hekta milioni 44, zilizolimwa ni kama 10 milioni, na hawatoi sababu ya hali hiyo, wakati huo huo tuna maeneo ambayo kimsingi kuna ongezeko kubwa sana la watu kama mikoa ya kaskazini, hawa wanapaswa kutawanyika kutoka huko na kwenda katika maeneo yenye ardhi wakaitumie. Hawa viongozi wetu mafisadi wamekitelekeza kilimo kiasi kwamba kuna watu wanafikiria tuna ardhi ya kutosha! wakiona mapori wanafikiri yote ni maeneo wazi! mengine ni ardhi za vijiji, mengine ni hifadhi huwezi ingia ukaanza kufyeka tu! JF, tutengeneze master plan ya kukiendeleza kilimio kwa kuwatumia watanzania wenyewe na si vinginevyo.
     
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    opinion is rife that tanzania was shortchanged during the first phase of the east african community,but fellow tanzanians blah,blah and pretending to know everything policy will do us no good.the reality is we need this community,once within the community and kenyans snapping at our heels taking advantage of any slackness on our part will wake us.in fact with the demise of the previous EAC,tanzania has gone backwards,foreign investors,using the small print have been fleecing us dry,its better the devil you know,at least we speak the same economic language.if kenyans had been in the mix,trust me some of these financial scandals would never have arisen,most would have been nipped in the bud.in my opinion the ruling clique has more to fear,in this cooperation,then the man in the street
     
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    Mawazo yaliokwenda shule...mufti sana!
     
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    Koba JF-Expert Member

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    ...wabongo sijui tunaogopa nini na hiyo EAC? nafikiri kila kitu in EAC is a win win kwa TZ,mnapenda stupid borders sijui inasaidia nini? hao mnaowasema Kenya,Rwanda,Uganda etc wameshatupiga bao kiuchumi na wanaenda mbele kwa kasi sisi tumebaki kuwaogopa mafisadi na ninafikiri tunawahitaji wao zaidi kuliko wanavyotuhitaji...kuna mtu katoa point kama EAC ingekuwepo hata hiyo EPA isingetokea na kama ingetokea wangeshughulikiwa kisawa sawa..say YES to EAC!
     
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    Koba,
    Tunajadili zaidi makala iliyoletwa kuliko EAC yenyewe. Wewe una maoni gani baada ya kuisoma. Pengine sio mtizamo au matarajio ya wakenya walio wengi?

    Mwandishi anajaribu kuchochea majadala, ambalo ni jambo muhimu. Maoni yako kuhusu makala tafadhali?




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    BoastingKingdom New Member

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    People always learn from mistakes. We have a lesson from the first EAC, lets look for a way to avoid the previous mistake.
     
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    EAC is not something Tanzania needs at this time. We have far more important issues than this one.
    Unemployment in Tanzania is high. The government is not doing enough to generate jobs as promised.

    Mafisadi issue is still lagging in air. Are ther going to be arrested or the return of the loot is their ticket to freedom? They need to be taken care of according to the law.

    Education in Tanzania still needs attention. Poor or lack of facilities in many schools, some are still sitting on floors while studying.

    The economy has good numbers but the living standards of Tanzanians doesn't parallel those numbers.

    Many government government workers (including politicians) have a mentality that their place of work is a "get rich quick venue" ...This mentality has to be dealt with through reforms.

    Kenyans too have their own issues. They still haven't solved their share of government issue. There is still bad blood there.

    Ugandans have their issue with rebels and also not many of them like the idea that Museveni is going to be there for longer than supposed to.

    Therefore, We Can't have EAC comprised of Unstable people who have a lot of skeletons in their closets. We will be a Laughing stock of the world because it won't take long before everything falls apart.......which unfortunately as I see it....this time there will be Blood shed.

    I have lived in Kenya.....I know kenyans pretty well.....All I can say is......Tanzanians are a Peaceful people.

    I THUS SAY ....NO TO EAC....AT LEAST....NOT NOW.
     
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