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Deo Fulikunjombe aomba mwongozo kukomesha tabia ya kufuja muda

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Matola, Aug 15, 2012.

  1. Matola

    Matola JF-Expert Member

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    Wana Jf sasa ni dhahiri Deo Fulikunjombe anaingia rasmi kwenye vitabu vya kihistoria, kwa kuwa natumia simu ngoja niwe short and clear.

    Ni hivi, kumekuwa na tabia ya Mawaziri kupewa dakika 40 kujibu hoja za Wabunge, lakini cha kustaajabisha waziri anatumia dakika 20 kutaja majina ya wabunge waliochangia bajeti badala ya kujibu hoja.

    Sasa Deo ameomba muongozo wa Spika kama jambo hili ni sahihi au kiti kitamke kulikomesha mara moja.

    Speaker atatowa mwongozo baadaye kabla ya kusitisha shughuli za Bunge za asubuhi.

    My Take: Wanaodhani sisi hasa mimi Matola nina ugomvi na CCM wanajidanganya, nahitaji kuwa na mbunge wa aina hii bila kujali chama chake, hata kama leo Deo Filikunjombe akigombea jimboni kwangu kwa tiketi ya CCM nitampigia kura yangu bila tabu yoyote. Mimi msimamo wangu huwa nachaguwa mtu na siyo chama.
     
  2. Mromboo

    Mromboo JF-Expert Member

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    Ni vizuri namimi pia nakuunga mkono. ila uwe makini na spellings zako usije leta maana tofauti na wazo lako. nice time.
     
  3. PakaJimmy

    PakaJimmy JF-Expert Member

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    Ni hoja ya msingi aliyoileta!
    Deo mbona anajulikana Way back kuwa ni mwanamageuzi ndani ya ccm!
    Na hata hizo dakika 20 zilizobaki zinamegwamegwa kwa kumshukuru mkewe kipenzi na watoto wake wazuri walioko St. Feza!
     
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    decruca JF-Expert Member

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    Mimi naona huwa hawana majibu ya kueleweka, sasa wanaona watumie muda huo kuuza chai, then nusu uliobaki ndio wapige blabla, inakera.
     
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    Precise Pangolin JF-Expert Member

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    CCM wanamchukia Deo kuliko hata ya Tundu Lissu!!!! Mfano halisi wa bingwa wa kutaja watu ni yule Naibu waziri aliyeibiwa zile silaha zake za maangamizi kule morogoro pamoja ni milaptop minne na Simu zinazo jaa kiroba huwa akitaja wake zake huwa nachoka kwasababu anawataja mpaka mademu wake wa Moro waliomliza
     
  6. Watu8

    Watu8 JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu hata kama unasema unachagua mtu, lakini kumbuka sera na ilani ya chama kilichopo madarakani ndivyo vinavyoongoza nchi.
    Mbunge anaweza kuwa mzuri wa fikra lakini kama hayupo chama chenye sera nzuri ni kazi bure.
    Ni ukweli kwamba Filikunjombe anamtizamo mzuri kisiasa lakini jukwaa alilosimama tayari limeshaoza na mbaya zaidia liosimama nao hapo juu wanacheza sindimba au kupiga kwata. Hivyo pindi litapoanguka wote wataanguka nalo.
     
  7. Ngaliba Dume

    Ngaliba Dume JF-Expert Member

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    Na kama umeangalia vizuri,nyuma ya Deo amekaa Mama Zakia Megdji(?)...wakati Deo akieleza Mama alikuwa anatikisa kichwa kuashria hakubaliani na mtazamo wa Deo...Na Utashangaa kuna sehemu ya hotuba huwa hawaisomi lakn wanasema hansard iandike!sasa kwanin na majina wasiache na waseme Hansard iandike?
     
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    FJM JF-Expert Member

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    Spika na uongozi mzima wa bunge wana mapungufu makubwa. Wanatumia muda mwingi sana kutambulisha wageni badala ya kufanya kazi waliyotumwa na watanzania. Hakuna mbunge aliyetumwa kupeleka wageni Dodoma, kama watu wanatembelea bunge kuna sababu zipi za kuwatambulisha? Ni Tanzania tu ambapo Spika anaweza kutumia (kwa wastani) dakika 10 kila siku ya kikao kutambulisha wageni binafsi wa wabunge! Huku ni kuhujumu haki za watanzania. Bunge ni mahali pa kujadili kero za wananchi, wageni wanaokuja wafanye hivyi kimya kimya unless ni mtu mashahuri anayealikwa kwa niaba ya nchi (sio mbunge mmoja mmoja).

    Kuhusu mawaziri kutaja majina, hii ni fedheha kubwa sana. Dr Mgimwa alitumia dakika 29 kutaja majina ya wachangiaji, naibu wake akatumia dakika 10! Na ujue ni jinsi gani tatizo la kukariri linavyotafuna nchi hii, kila waziri utasikia akitaja jina la mchangiaji na kumalizia kusema 'mbunge'! Hivi kuna mtu anaweza kuchangia mjadala bungeni kama sio mbunge?

    Tatu, bunge linatakiwa sasa likae chini na kuweka utaratibu wa kutoa shukrani, au salamu za rambirambi. Sio kila mtu anasimama kusema kitu kile kile. Wanaweza kuamua chief whip toka chama tawala na kambi ya upinzania wakishatoa salamu za pongezi au rambirambi basi inatosha. Pia bunge sasa liweke utaratibu maalum wa ku-respond mara kunapotokea janga la kitaifa au msiba unaogusa taifa.

    Kwa mfano, ni wakati gani au ni mtu wa aina gani akifa bunge litasimama kwa dakika moja? Huu mtindo wa kufanya mambo kwa kunusa 'umaarufu' na kutafuta photo opportunities unaleta mtafaruku.
     
  9. andishile

    andishile JF-Expert Member

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    kwa kweli hata mimi huwa nachukia unakuta waziri anasoma majina zaidi ya hamsini,majina yenyewe ya kibantu tuliyonayo ni marefu kutaja jina kamili,ukiongeza na neno mheshimiwa ni nusu dakika!matokeo yake wanaoteza muda sana,unakuta atamaliza kutaja majina yote lakini hatamaliza kujibu hoja za wabunge,sasa majina au majibu ya hoja!its high time huu utaratibu uangaliwe!
     
  10. Chakaza

    Chakaza JF-Expert Member

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    Bunge la blabla. Waziri anapoteza muda kumshukuru mama yake kwa kumzaa na kumtunza hadi kupewa uwaziri huo si ujinga?
     
  11. Utanijua

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    Ni kweli jamaa kasema jambo la maana,wanatajwa mpaka watu ambao hawana mchango wowote wanatupotezea muda tu mara nawashukuru watoto wangu, mke wangu, dereva kwa uvumilivu,uvumilivu wao sisi unatuhusu nini wakaambiane warudipo majumbani
     
  12. Babkey

    Babkey JF-Expert Member

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    "nyimbo nzima wanatajataja majina..
    (Tenaa)
    Kwa mistari isio na vina"

    By...D
     
  13. Baba_Enock

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    Kwa mfano

    Wizara ya Ulinzi:

    UTANGULIZI
    1. Mheshimiwa Spika, baada ya Bunge lako Tukufu kupokea taarifa iliyowasilishwa..

    2. Mheshimiwa Spika, kwanza napenda kuchukua fursa hii kumshukuru Mwenyezi Mungu,
    aliyenijalia afya njema na kuniwezesha kuwasilisha hotuba yangu ya bajeti kwa
    mwaka 2012/2013. Pili namshukuru kwa dhati Mhe. Dkt. Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete,
    Rais wa Jamhuri ya Muungano wa Tanzania na Amiri Jeshi Mkuu kwa kuniteua kuwa
    Waziri wa Ulinzi na Jeshi la Kujenga Taifa. Nawathibitishia Waheshimiwa Wabunge
    wenzangu na wananchi wote wa Tanzania kwamba nitatekeleza majukumu niliyokabidhiwa
    kwa umakini na uaminifu mkubwa.

    3. Mheshimiwa Spika, tatu napenda kutumia fursa hii kuwapongeza Mawaziri na Manaibu
    Mawaziri walioteuliwa kushika nyadhifa hizi hivi karibuni.

    Vile vile nampongeza Mhe. James Mbatia (Mb.) kwa kuteuliwa na Mhe. Rais kuwa Mbunge.
    Nampongeza pia Mhe. Mussa Azan Zungu (Mb.) kwa kuchaguliwa kuwa Mwenyekiti wa Bunge.
    Vile vile napenda kuwapongeza Watanzania waliochaguliwa na Bunge letu Tukufu kuwa Wabunge
    wa Jumuiya ya Afrika ya Mashariki.

    4. Mheshimiwa Spika, katika kipindi cha Mwaka wa Fedha 2011/2012
    Wabunge wenzetu watatu waliiaga dunia. Wabunge hao ni Marehemu Jeremia Sumari,
    Marehemu Mussa Silima na Marehemu Regia Mtema. Napenda kutoa pole za dhati kwako
    Mheshimiwa Spika, Waheshimiwa Wabunge, ndugu, marafiki na Watanzania wote kwa ujumla
    kwa msiba huo mkubwa uliotupata. Namuomba Mwenyezi Mungu azilaze roho zao Peponi. Amin.

    5. Mheshimiwa Spika, halikadhalika, napenda kuchukua nafasi hii kuishukuru Kamati ya Bunge
    ya Mambo ya Nje, Ulinzi na Usalama chini ya Mwenyekiti wake Mhe. Edward Lowassa
    ,
    Mbunge wa Monduli kwa kutupa ushauri na mapendekezo mazuri sana wakati wakichambua
    mapendekezo ya Makadirio ya Mapato na Matumizi ya Wizara yangu. Kamati hii imekuwa
    ikiishauri vyema Wizara ya Ulinzi na Jeshi la Kujenga Taifa kuhusu njia mbalimbali za
    kuimarisha utendaji wa Jeshi la Wananchi wa Tanzania na Jeshi la Kujenga Taifa ili liweze
    kutekeleza majukumu yake ya Ulinzi wa nchi yetu.

    6. Mheshimiwa Spika, kabla sijatoa maelezo yangu kuhusu makadirio ya Mapato na Matumizi kwa mwaka 2012/2013
    napenda kuungana na Waheshimiwa Wabunge kuwapongeza Mheshimiwa Mizengo Kayanza Pinda (Mb),
    Waziri Mkuu, Waziri wa Fedha, Mhe. Dk. William Mgimwa (Mb), na Waziri wa Nchi, Ofisi ya Rais (Uhusiano na Uratibu),
    Mheshimiwa Steven Wasira (Mb) kwa hotuba zao ambazo zimetoa mwelekeo katika masuala ya Mipango, Uchumi,
    Mapato na matumizi ya Serikali kwa kipindi cha mwaka 2012/2013.
    ===============================
    ?????
     
  14. peri

    peri JF-Expert Member

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    sio tu kwenye kutaja majina, hata kutambulisha wageni sidhani kama kuna umuhimu kusema leo tuna mtoto wa mh fulani, mara wanafunzi wa shule fulani, mara madiwani nk.
    Ni kupoteza muda kusiko na msingi.
    Kuna vitu vingi muhimu vya kujadiliwa na bunge.
     
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    Newvision JF-Expert Member

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    Tumetoka mbali lakini hii tabia ya Wabunge has wa CCM kupoteza muda wa thamani ambao sisi wapiga kura tumeulipia haitabadilika mpaka Wana CCM wenyewe wakubali kuwa sasa hatuna muda wa kupoteza na tunataka hoja zenye nguvu za kuleta maendeleo. Hii imejikita pia hata katika lugha nyingi ndani ya Bunge za kuongea mambo ya utani eti "namshukuru ndugu yangu au mtani wangu......" lugha za namna hii zinamfanya hata yule waziri/muhusika unayemuaddress kufanya utani na hoja pia.Ni lazima tubadilike na tuache kuwafanya wapiga kura wa Tanzania ya leo ni mbumbu. Deo anajua hivyo
     
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    Masanilo JF-Expert Member

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    Niko jimbo la Mnyika, siwezi changua Kenge yeyote hata awe na rangi gani kutoka chama cha Magwepande!
     
  17. Matola

    Matola JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu kama umenisoma vizuri hapo juu nimesema natumia simu, tangu niwe Member hapa Jf ni jana tu ndio nimeanza kutumia simu na nauona ugumu wanaokumbana nao Members wenzetu wanaotumia simu.
     
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    1.hiyo kutaja mlolongo wa wachangiaji ni kufuja muda
    2.kutoa shukrani kwa mke, mume watoto vimada, wajomba , bibi babu, shangazi ni kufuja muda
    3.kutaja mlolongo wa wageni waliofika bungeni ni kupoteza muda
    4. Kupigana vijembe na taarabu bungeni na kupiga meza muda mrefu ni kufuja muda

    Kifupi bunge letu halina discpline ya muda hata kidogo na ni kutokana na udhaifu wa kiti cha speaker ambacho nachelea kusema kipo wazi tangu alipoondolewa mzee wa speed na viwango
     
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    Bigirita JF-Expert Member

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    Ndugu Mwenyekiti napenda kuchukuwa fursa hii kumshukuru Rais kwa kunichagua kuwa Naibu waziri.
    Napenda kuwashukuru familia yangu mme na watoto kwa kunivumilia maana muda mwingi siko nao.
    Ndugu mwenyekiti naomba kuwashukuru wananchi wa jimbo langu kwa kunichagua.
    Ningependa kumshukuru driver wangu kwa kazi nzuri.
    Ndugu mwenyekiti hoja ni nyingi nitajibu zingine kwa maandisha.
    Nashukuru sana
     
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    Zanta JF-Expert Member

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    Muda wa kutaja majina hauhesabiwi kwenye ule muda anaopewa Waziri kujibu hoja.
     
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