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China summons U.S. ambassador over Dalai Lama meeting

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  1. Manda

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    Beijing, China (CNN) -- China summoned the U.S. ambassador on Friday to express its "strong dissatisfaction" over the Dalai Lama's meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama a day earlier.
    China didn't disclose what was discussed during the session with Ambassador Jon Huntsman at the Foreign Ministry. But Beijing had warned that a meeting between the president and the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader would damage its ties with Washington.
    "The Chinese side expresses strong dissatisfaction and resolute opposition to this meeting," a spokesman for China's Foreign Ministry said in a statement after Thursday's meeting at the White House.
    "China demands the U.S. seriously consider China's stance, immediately adopt measures to wipe out the adverse impact, [and] stop conniving and supporting anti-China separatist forces."
    The U.S. Embassy didn't characterize Friday's meeting, but it provided the message Huntsman delivered to Deputy Foreign Minister Cui Tiankai.
    "Now is the time to move forward and cooperate in ways that benefit our two counties, the region and the world," Huntsman said, according to the U.S. Embassy.
    The meeting has the potential to further complicate Sino-U.S. tensions, which have been rising in recent months.
    The Dalai Lama has said he favors genuine autonomy for Tibetans, not independence for Tibet. Beijing regards the Nobel Peace Prize laureate as a separatist who wishes to sever Tibet from China.
    Obama's meeting with the Dalai Lama "runs against the repeated commitments by the U.S. government that the U.S. recognizes Tibet as part of China and gives no support to 'Tibet independence'," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu said.
    During the meeting, Obama stressed his "strong support for the preservation of Tibet's unique religious, cultural and linguistic identity, and the protection of human rights for Tibetans," according to a White House statement.
    The president praised the Dalai Lama's "commitment to nonviolence and his pursuit of dialogue with the Chinese government," the statement added. He also stressed the importance of having both sides "engage in direct dialogue to resolve differences, and was pleased to hear about the recent resumption of talks," it noted.
    The Dalai Lama, while acknowledging that he raised concerns about Tibet during the meeting, did not provide further specifics about his home region's political situation while addressing reporters.
    He said he admired America as a "champion of democracy and ... freedom," and cited the need to promote "religious harmony" and "human value."
    He also met with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
    The meeting between the Dalai Lama and Obama could "seriously undermine the Sino-U.S. political relations," Zhu Weiqun, a senior Communist Party leader in charge of ethnic and religious affairs, warned recently.
    "We will take corresponding action to make relevant countries see their mistakes."
    On Thursday, China's Foreign Ministry spokesman said the meeting "grossly violated the norms governing ... international relations."
    Obama did not meet with the Dalai Lama when the spiritual leader visited Washington last fall, making it the first time since 1991 that such a meeting did not occur. Ahead of a summit with Chinese President Hu Jintao, Obama persuaded Tibetan representatives back then to postpone the meeting with the Dalai Lama.
    Thursday's encounter took place against the backdrop of several contentious issues already threatening to sour the relationship between America and China, including trade disputes, a recent U.S. arm sales deal for Taiwan -- which China considers an illegitimate breakaway province -- and a censorship row over Internet search engine Google Inc.
    The meeting is "another event in the recent, one has to say, downward spiral in U.S.-China relations," said China scholar David Shambaugh.
    It's also troublesome for the Chinese for one other important reason, Shambaugh said.
    "He could have met him as a spiritual leader in a neutral place like a church," he said. But receiving him in the White House "is a political act. And that is going to irritate China very much."
    The meeting did not take place in the formal, official setting of the Oval Office. It was instead held in the White House Map Room, which is considered part of the presidential residence. The choice of settings was considered by many observers to be a sign of Washington's acknowledgment of Beijing's political sensitivities.
    Some analysts said the Chinese government could retaliate by cutting off political exchanges as they did after the Dalai Lama met with the heads of state of France and Germany. And Hu could turn down an invitation to visit Washington in April.
    Neither China nor the United States can afford strained relations, said Douglas Paal, a diplomat and investment banker who has served as a presidential adviser on China.
    "We both need each other," he said. "We need each other for a number of international security issues -- to deal with the global climate crisis, to deal with the global financial crisis."
    China is the largest growing export market for U.S. companies, Paal said, expanding by 65 percent last year alone.
    Nearly three-quarters of all Americans think that Tibet should be an independent country, according to a new national CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll.
    But the survey, released Thursday, also indicates that most Americans think it is more important to maintain good relations with China than to take a stand on Tibet.


    Source: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/19/china.obama.dalai.lama/index.html?hpt=Sbin
     
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    wachina wanachekesha,
     
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    Personally, nina mtizamo tofauti juu ya hatua ya Obama/US kwa hatua yake kukutana na Dai Lama. Katika wakati huu ambapo US ipo katika tension kubwa sana na N. Korea na Iran ilikuwa inahitaji sana support ya China hususan ktk Baraza la Usalama la umoja wa Mataifa, (UN Security Council)
    More so, katika hali mbaya ya uchumi ambako US economy is tumbling huku China ikiibuka kama the next 'super power', may be Obama na Clinton would have re-consider what they have done as long as China is giving them a big Push katika market ya products zake na host of investments ya US big companies in China.
    What next?
     
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    KunjyGroup JF-Expert Member

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    Wachina wana akili za kitoto. Nani kawapa mamlaka yakuwachagulia USA marafiki? Kwani udui wa China ni adui wa kilamtu? Mbona wao they a freinds wit North Korea na Iran wakati USA ni adui na hao?
     
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    NI kweli but marekani
    hawapendi kuonesha wanaiogopa China.
    kisiasa Obama ni lazima
    aneshe kuwa yuko strong,
    na Marekani ndo superpower,the only one right now.​
     
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    What USA are playing is more of a political game lakini at the end of the day lazma ufanye cost-benefit analysis,unafanya kitu kwa cost gani ili upate faida gani, sijui kama Hu Jin Tao akiamua kuwauzia teknolojia Iran ya bomu za nyuklia, at the same time akipingana na US katika kura za veto unadhani nani ataumia zaid?
    Mind you, US needs China more than how China needs USA (My take)...
     
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    Manda JF-Expert Member

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    But for the next 'at large' 20yrs, may be US should start looking for soft landing.
    Me i thought its 'quid pro quo', unajua kwanini?, towards end of year 2009, wakati dunia inampa alot of pressure Kim Jong China backed the idea kuwa ni vyema NK wakasitisha mpango wao wa Nuclear, kauli ambayo International Community said was pertinent ktk kuishawishi NK, asa leo US akifanya hivyo then China may do what Russia did to Iran (kuwauzia teknolijia ya Nuclear).
    What will be nxt?
     
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    Ben Saanane Verified User

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    Ofcourse,hapa naona kuna kosa kubwa la kidiplomasia.Iran yupo close na CHINA na marekani alitakiwa kushawishi china coz china iko close sana na Saudi arabia amabayo ina influence kubwa middle east.

    Pia kwenye security council,huu ndiyo muda ambao states walitakiwa waimarishe uhusiano zaidi na China.
     
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    Koba JF-Expert Member

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    Wachina wanacheza tuu,hakuna chochote wanaweza kufanya hapo zaidi ya politics na uchumi wao bado sana kufikia US,anayesema US inahitaji zaidi wachina kuliko Chinese wanavyohitaji US hajui anachoongea...leo kata kila kitu btn hawa uone zile factory zinazojaza Walmart zitakavyopukutika kama kiangaz,btw uchumi wa China unategemea sana Wallstreet,kwani yale maviwanda ya NIKE,IBM, etc yaliyojaa China na kuwapa kazi si ya hao hao wamarekani,China bado sana kufikia States...amuulize mjapan 1980s.
     
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    Kimweri JF-Expert Member

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    guys read this.

    "a guy who owes a bank a few thousand dollars,is owed by the bank,a guy who owes a bank a few million dollars owns the bank"

    this is exactly the situation here,China has almost half of it's reserves in form of USD which is the reason why it will never let the US default it's debt.if they make a stupid move all the US has to do is default the debt and they are back to square one.

    if that has to hapen who is well equiped to weather the storm?the US.why?it is one of the most innovative country on earth with so much innovation going on.CHINA on the other hand is what we call tajiri bila maarifa.all they do is horde resources without innovation.

    More than 80% of investments in china comes from the US and allies.this means if they play it wrong they will be stuck with useless warehouses and empty buildings.not so smart.

    CHINA may look strong to many,BUT it is an incredibly weak country.kama mnabisha tazameni timu ya CHINA(yoyote ile inayohitaji more than 5 members) wakicheza,they can not work with fast moving changes,or real time based situation.

    Chinese are more of the pre-coded people,give them rules,regulations,guidelines,they will do things to perfection(a reason they do so well in routine sports like gymnasium.

    the current government is working so hard with interior problems in such a way that it is almost inevitable that their demise will come from interior instability not external pressures like US etc.

    stability in china will evaporate the day the economy fails to grow more than 7%.when unemployment gets the best of red headed chinese workers.that's when the guanxi gang will break.not otherwise.
     
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    Unajua hata kama hivyo viwanda vya IBM, NIKE nk vilivyopo china ni vya wamarekani, usije ukafikiri wachina ni wajinga kiasi hicho, kwamba wakiamua kuvitaifisha watashindwa kuviendesha, China siyo kama Tanzania ambayo ilitaifisha viwanda alafu vyote vikafa.
    Katika uchumi sijui utakuwa unazungumzia bidhaa au kifaa gani ambacho wachina hawawezi kutengeneza wenyewe, Unapozungumzia mafuta utakuta wachina wanachimba wenyewe huko Sudan kama ambavyo wamarekani wanachimba huko Irak,
    Uchumi wa Dunia ulipoyumba madhara yalitokea marekani na Ulaya, China ilibaki miongoni mwa mataifa machache ambayo hayakutikisika,
    Japokuwa ni vigumu sana kuamini, ukweli ni kwamba Marekani inaihitaji China katika masuala mengi kuliko ambavyo China inaihitaji Marekani. Makampuni ya Marekani yanahitaji kuwekeza China kwa kuwa soko la China linamaanisha 1/3 ya Dunia, lakini soko la Marekani kwa wachina ni dogo sana kiasi ambacho makampuni ya China hayaoni umuhimu wa kwenda kuwekeza Marekani
     
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    Wachina hawawezi kumchagulia Obama akutane na nani?

    After all hawajibiki kwa wachina ila kwa wamerakani?
     
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    hahhahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    u made me laugh really hard,microprocessor factories have no resemblance with URAFIKI my friend.if US and allies pulls out i give china 5 years max,it will break into so many pieces people will not remember how it looked like!USSR anyone.

    modern factories are more complicated than you imagine,all those Nike factories there are nothing but OEM factories,what nike sell is the brand.a nike shoe has nothing different than it's knockoff..,just QA on top of it,and billions of research and marketing+brand value.

    IBM hawana viwanda china,IBM is primarily a software company,so is Microsoft and Google,and APPLE.all they do is subcontract an OEM to make for them specific products.they can source all those works to many other countries.

    For companies with industrial base in China wanchofanya ni assembly.US wana embargo kwa china no semiconductor chips less than 10 years old vinaruhusiwa kupelekwa china.that means anything u see now in china is 10+ years old.otherwise you have to get clearance form ministry of defence,NSA etc,before you can ship latest tech to china.

    during olympics chinese government and companies were not even allowed near US cameras and TV crews!why?no one is transfering anything new to china.

    vitu hivi ni ngumu kwa mtu wa kawaida kuelewa,yeye akiona nguo,simu,TV zinatoka china anaona hiyo ndio latest tech!!far from it.

    Umeshawahi kuwaona wachina wakiendesha kitu chao wenyewe?!it's a complete mess,

    apart from tech,their financial sector is one of the worst,go work in china for a few years,,then flip over to HK utaelewa.what chinese do best is save face.

    the US banks failed not because they were run much worse than chinese banks,no it's because Chinese have the highest savings in the world and 4 of the top 5 banks in china had 3 years operating losses,but had the government bailing them out.

    China is more dependent to the US than you could possible imagine is western controlled.from sophisticated softwares in their banking systems to their hospitals and schools.

    what china has is a huge influx of western presence that will simply vanish the moment they have no use there.

    for sure the US will shake,but cum 5 years we will have two different sides of the coin.
     
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    Kimweri JF-Expert Member

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    china presents opportunities not real markets for many western multinationals.American gets more profits dealing with EU and Japan than they will ever do with china.

    hiyo 1/3 ya dunia haimaanishi kila mtu ni consumer..,may be if you mean american companies wanauza oxygen!

    20 years ago 400M chinese were below poverty line.these people now are just above that line,no where near any middle class.chinese are highly conservative,it's hard enough for the government to make middle class chinese to spend!let alone tell guys who were below poverty line just a decade ago to go waste their savings buying a nike!no wonder fakes come from china,to save this population in a limbo.

    Google might be taking over the world but their Chinese revenues accounts for 0.2% of their net revenues!

    Chinese companies are daydreaming about penetrating the US & EU market but strict regulations are keeping them at bay.

    Chinese simply can't keep up with western innovation,Japanese are.look at the car industry, Chinese cars have been trying for decades to sale cars in th US.their best try ever?buy VOLVO.in the computer industry,they couldn't make one decent PC,their solution?buy IBM PC Business!you tell me how are these guys going to defeat US companies?must be a joke.

    the reason Chinese companies stick with china is because that is the only place they can sell they junk,and glad they can sell to Africa now!

    do you know that most Chinese people will not buy a Chinese car priced over $10,000? Chinese people know more about their companies than you(and many other) do it seems.
     
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    There is what they call 'homeless mind" which is backed by the current Globalization era, sijui for how long what you call 'junk' industries and 'junk' products' from the streets of Beijing will rule the world na those IBM,NIKE au TOSHIBA will sneak to the streets of Beijing to invest.
    With USA/EU neglecting Africa in selling their products (sijui dharau au we cant afford!),China isn't taking us (Africa) for granted, na recently China has overtook Germany to be the largest exporter in the EU market., sijui what does that mean au we call it 'junk businness'?
    Anyways ili tusitoke nje ya maada, mimi nadhani for the time being ambapo US economy watu wame-realise how unstable it is esp. in the aftermath of Wallstreet crisis, mimi nadhani Obama's and his team step kuonana na Dailama haikuwa ni timing nzuri.
     
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