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China stealth fighter 'copied parts from downed US jet'

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  1. Edward Teller

    Edward Teller JF-Expert Member

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    [FONT=&quot]The technology behind China's J-20 stealth fighter may have come from a US plane shot down during the Kosovo war, Balkan military sources say.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Adm Davor Domazet-Loso, Croatia's military chief of staff at the time, claims Chinese agents took parts of a downed F-117 stealth jet in 1999. [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]The F-117 had been shot down by a Serbian anti-aircraft missile during a Nato bombing raid.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]China's J-20 stealth fighter had its first test flight earlier this month.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Currently, the United States is the only nation with a fully operational stealth plane. [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]'Reverse-engineer' [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Nighthawks were the world's first stealth fighters - planes that are almost invisible to radar. [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]When the F-117 was shot down in 1999 during Nato bombing, it was the first time one of the jets had been hit.[/FONT]
    Military officials and experts say they believe that some of the parts found themselves in Chinese hands, which allowed China to replicate them to develop similar technologies.
    [FONT=&quot]"At the time, our intelligence reports told of Chinese agents criss-crossing the region where the F-117 disintegrated, buying up parts of the plane from local farmers," Adm Domazet-Loso told the Associated Press news agency.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]"We believe the Chinese used those materials to gain an insight into secret stealth technologies... and to reverse-engineer them," he said.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]A senior Serbian military official confirmed that some of the pieces were removed by souvenir collectors, and that some ended up "in the hands of foreign military attaches".[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Alexander Neill, head of the Asia Security Programme at the Royal United Services Institute, said the proposition was highly possible, as Serbia and China had a very close relationship during this time and routinely shared intelligence.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]"At that time the Chinese had a close relationship with Serbian military intelligence and in that regard - just as an intelligence-sharing relationship - a windfall such as a F-117 would be gold dust, and any modernising military worth its salt would examine anything of that nature extremely closely," he told the BBC.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]He said it would be very difficult to know for sure, but that China had during that time a "rapacious appetite" for technology which would help them with their modernisation programme.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]"Given the history of Chinese espionage, it is clear that China has had a very covert history of acquisition," he said.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]'No interest' [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Parts of the F-117 wreckage, including its left wing, cockpit canopy, ejection seat, pilot's helmet and radio, are on show at Belgrade's aviation museum.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Zoran Milicevic, deputy director of the museum, said: "I don't know what happened to the rest of the plane. A lot of delegations visited us in the past, including the Chinese, Russians and Americans. But no-one showed any interest in taking any part of the jet."[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]China's Chengdu J-20 stealth jet is expected to be operational some time between 2017 and 2019. [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]Some analysts have claimed this sign of military strength will worry the US government, but the Pentagon has played down concerns over the fighter. [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]"Developing a stealth capability with a prototype and then integrating that into a combat environment is going to take some time," US director of naval intelligence Vice-Admiral David Dorsett said earlier this month.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]China's official military budget quadrupled between 1999 and 2009 as the country's economy grew. In 2010 it stood at $78bn (£50bn). [/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot]But the US has by far the largest defence budget in the world at just over $700bn.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]Source:BBC[/FONT]
     
  2. Bantugbro

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    Alot of Americanism propaganda, mkuu if you have enough time please read the following article then you will know the real truth about stealth fighters....link below:

    Assessing the Sukhoi PAK-FA / Sukhoi/KnAAPO T-50/I-21/Article 701 PAK-FA ????????????? ??????????? ???????? ????????? ???????
     
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    :A S thumbs_down: Alafu hio sio mbaya kihivyo. Cheki hii hapa.
    China’s poor treated to fake rice made from plastic: report


    By David Edwards
    Tuesday, February 8th, 2011 -- 11:45 am
    China's history with food safety is a rocky one, but even in the annals of robbery and abuse, this will go down in infamy.
    Various reports in Singapore media have said that Chinese companies are mass producing fake rice made, in part, out of plastic, according to one online publication Very Vietnam.
    The "rice" is made by mixing potatoes, sweet potatoes and plastic. The potatoes are first formed into the shape of rice grains. Industrial synthetic resins are then added to the mix. The rice reportedly stays hard even after being cooked.
    The Korean-language Weekly Hong Kong reported that the fake rice is being sold in the Chinese town of Taiyuan, in Shaanxi province.
    "A Chinese Restaurant Association official said that eating three bowls of this fake rice would be like eating one plastic bag. Due to the seriousness of the matter, he added that there would be an investigation of factories alleged to be producing the rice," Very Vietnam noted.
    Unfortunately, it's not the first time fake rice has been sold in China, according to China's Global Times.
    Previously, a company in Xi'an, Shaanxi Province had added flavoring to ordinary rice to synthesize "Wuchang rice," which is regarded to be the best rice in the country.
    About 300,000 people were injured and at least six infants died in 2008 when Chinese milk and infant formula was found to be adulterated with melamine, which was thought to help the milk pass nutrition tests.
    Later that year, melamine was also discovered in Chinese eggs.
     
  4. Edward Teller

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    nimeipitia mkuu-warusi wapo vizuri na wanajitaid kwenda na wakati,nimeona hio sukhoi PAK-FA itakuwa imezd capability ya western stealth fighter,ila toafuti yao na wachina ni kwamba wachina wameshindwa kujua nini cha kufanya hadi wametafuta wreckages za American F-117 Nighthawk,inamana bila hivyo walitakiwa wawa-consult warusi au wamerekani
     
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    westeners are so worried on the prospect and economic arena of Chinese Gov. therefore they endup with speculations and propagandas
     
  6. Edward Teller

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    hii ya kutengeneza mchele ni ya aina yake
     
  7. Edward Teller

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    hii ya kutengeneza mchele ni ya aina yake
     
  8. Bantugbro

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    Siku zote waChina ni wateja wazuri wa SUKHOI na MiGs za waRusi miaka ya hivi karibuni wameanza kutengeneza 4th generation fighters za kwao lakini wamekuwa bado wakitumia engine (powerplants) za kiRusi.

    J-20 (5th generation fighter) ina prototype mbili moja inatumia ingine ya kiRusi na ile iliyojaribiwa siku ile wakati Secretary Gates amewasili China ilikuwa inatumia powerplant yao mpya ya kiChina.

    Suala la kukopi ile F-117 ya kiMrekani halipo.

    kwanza, kwanini wakopi ile wakati za kiRusi ni bora zaidi na ni rahisi kuzipata?..

    Pili, ni stealth fighter gani inayotunguliwa na SAM?...:sick:
     
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    Kama wana sweet potatoes za kumwaga kwanini washindwe kulima mpunga? this is crap...:A S thumbs_down:
     
  10. Edward Teller

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    800px-F-117_Nighthawk_Front.jpg
    Stealth aircraft are still vulnerable to detection during, and immediately after using their weaponry. Since stealth payload (reduced RCS bombs and cruise missiles) are not yet generally available, and ordnance mount points create a significant radar return, stealth aircraft carry all armament internally. As soon as weapons bay doors are opened, the plane's RCS will be multiplied and even older generation radar systems will be able to locate the stealth aircraft. While the aircraft will reacquire its stealth as soon as the bay doors are closed, a fast response defensive weapons system has a short opportunity to engage the aircraft.
    This vulnerability is addressed by operating in a manner that reduces the risk and consequences of temporary acquisition. The B-2's operational altitude imposes a flight time for defensive weapons that makes it virtually impossible to engage the aircraft during its weapons deployment. All stealthy aircraft carry weapons in internal weapons bays. New stealth aircraft designs such as the F-22 and F-35 can open their bays, release munitions and return to stealthy flight in less than a second.
     
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    F-117 has got one major design flaw that rids it off its stealthy capabilities.

    It is far less maneuverable compared to most modern fighter jets.

    The carbon coating on the fuselage comes off when the plane flies under rain.
     
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    all these resulted to its official retirement in 2008
     
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    wHEN america is thinking of housing humankind in space to counter overpopulated earth,the chinese and the likes are investing in weapons of mass destruction.No matter what America will always lead and others will follow behind.Its time the chinese use their so called economic prowess and invest in research for the benefit of mankind.Tip toing behind America at worst gives them a bad image.Its been sometime since we last heard this or that product is original chinese
     
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    every nation want to follow american's steps-whatever they are
     
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    Thanks Bantugbro for this crucial information about these fighting machines. There for it means China could get these Tech & information from any source if need be. Marekani Bwn kwa propro ni wazima, the sake of discrediting this Chines Type of machine.Uko vizuri, keep us posted. Ubarikiwe.
     
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    Asante mkuu..
     
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    Thanks Edy I really enjoy reading this, [FONT=&quot]A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves Then what should we do with a bunch of wolves?????????????[/FONT]
     
  18. Edward Teller

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    thanks mkuu-the moral of the statement is that wolves must be avoided at any cost,coz if they became strong,they will eat and take everything from the sheep,utmost may eat the flock of sheep-UMENIPATA MKUU?HII IMEKAA KISIASA KIDOGO-MAANA TUKIWA KIMYA HAWA WAKWARE WATAKUJA TUUZA HATA SISI WANANCHI NA WATOTO WETU
     
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    Something interesting about the Chinese ni kwamba wako tayari kuiba technolojia na kutengeneza kitu chao hata kama ni fake - With these trial and errors, siku moja utakuta wamefika mbali sana
     
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    true mkuu-and this is not bad
     
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