Dismiss Notice
You are browsing this site as a guest. It takes 2 minutes to CREATE AN ACCOUNT and less than 1 minute to LOGIN

Chadema kama mna dhamira ya kweli pelekeni hoja binafsi bungeni kupinga kiinua mgongo

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Ritz, Jun 27, 2011.

  1. Ritz

    Ritz JF-Expert Member

    #1
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Jan 1, 2011
    Messages: 42,023
    Likes Received: 3,862
    Trophy Points: 280
    Chadema kama kweli mna uchungu na Taifa letu pelekeni hoja binafsi bungeni kupinga viinua mgongo, achaneni na habari ya shangingi moja la Mkuu wa kambi ya Upinzani Mbowe,
    Kila mbunge ataondoka na zaidi ya Sh46 milioni kama kiinua mgongo baada ya Rais Jakaya Kikwete kulivunja bunge. Jumla ya wabunge wa Jamhuri ya muungano wa Tanzania ni 350, na kila Mbunge anapata jumla Sh1.921,000 kwa mwezi ni kipato kikubwa sana. Kwenye pesa za kiinua mgongo taifa linapoteza zaidi Bilioni 12 zitalipwa kwa wabunge wote pamoja na wa Chadema, cha kushangaza kwenye ili mbowe na wenzake wamekaa kimya wanaleta usanii kwenye Shangingi moja tu na posho za 60,000,
     
  2. R

    Rweye JF-Expert Member

    #2
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Mar 16, 2011
    Messages: 12,650
    Likes Received: 1,224
    Trophy Points: 280
    Na wewe unaweza kupeleka,kwani wewe siyo mtanzania?
     
  3. c

    chilljuice Member

    #3
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Jan 18, 2011
    Messages: 26
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 0
    Hii issue ya posho imekaa kiwivuwivu, tatizo si watz huwa hatupendi kuona mtu anapata kitu huwa tunajenga wivu wa kwanini yule kapata badala ya kufanya kazi,ukijiuliza deeply hiyo posho ni shilingi ngapi utagundua upuuzi wa kuijadili hoja hii, what I think watu wangekuja na constructive ideas za kuongeza income from individual level up to nation level na wala si kumsakama mbunge masikini kama ninavyowafahamu baadhi yao na hata kama watanyimwa posho hizo bado sioni unafuu wowote kwa mtanzania, the issue here tuongeze uzalishaji tuache wivu wa kimaskini.
     
  4. nngu007

    nngu007 JF-Expert Member

    #4
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Aug 2, 2010
    Messages: 15,874
    Likes Received: 28
    Trophy Points: 145
    Tatizo ni CCM itapinga just kwasababu CHADEMA ndio wamepeleka hiyo hoja binafsi na wataishoot down

    Bunge la CCM sio sawa na la Kenya ambalo kama hoja binafsi itafaidisha Taifa Wabunge wa Kenya wataunga Mkono sababu ni for the motivation of the nation as general, kwetu kila kitu sawa ni from CCM na waka more than 280
     
  5. Sokomoko

    Sokomoko JF-Expert Member

    #5
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Mar 29, 2008
    Messages: 1,909
    Likes Received: 7
    Trophy Points: 0
    Nimemuona Mhe Mkumbo online nikamuuliza swali

    Lakini akaingia mitini.

    Mkuu CDM kawa wana dhamira ya kweli wao pekee wakiandika barua wapokee nusu mshahara na nusu uingizwe kwenye mendeleo na mwiho viinua mgongo vyao wapewe nusu na nusu vizungushe maswala ya maendeleo watakuwa wamefanya jambo la mbolea maana wabunge 50 mara nusu ya mil 46 ni sawa na Bil 1.150 yaani ni pesa zaidi ya mara nne ya posho za miaka mitano kwa wabunge wote!!!

    Yaani cdm wanatufanya watanzania majuha sana bora slaa aliweza kulipigia kelel hili la mishahara wakaamua kumuuzia mbuzi kwenye gunia kwa kujua hata kuwa rais na hoja ya mishahara itakuwa imekufa kwani hatakuwa tena mbunge.
     
  6. fikramakini

    fikramakini JF-Expert Member

    #6
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Nov 27, 2010
    Messages: 247
    Likes Received: 1
    Trophy Points: 0
    Mkuu hebu tupe strategy yako ikoje?
     
  7. Kimbunga

    Kimbunga Platinum Member

    #7
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Oct 4, 2007
    Messages: 12,339
    Likes Received: 1,012
    Trophy Points: 280

    Mkuu kwa hili mimi nakuunga mkono na wala sijifichi. Hapa tunachezewa kamchezo tu ka kitoto. Kuna miposho mingi sana ambayo inalipwa kwa wabunge. Tumeambiwa kuwa KUB anapokea million 2 kila mwezi kwa ajili ya viburudisho kwa wageni wake. KUB amekataa shangingi, sawa. Zitto amekataa posho ya vikao lakini kuna posho ya mwenyekiti wa kamati ya bunge ya mashitrika ya umma mbona hajaikataa. Wanachukua mikopo ya million 90 mbona hawajasema kuwa million 90 kwa kununua gari ni nyingi tupewe mkopo wa million 40 ili wanunue gari ndogo? Kiuunua mgongo (sijui kama migongo yao imejipinda) ni kama million 45 kwa kutumikia mika mitano tu wakati mwalimu aliyetumikia nchi hii kwa miaka 30 hapati zaidi ya million 15! Ndugu zetu wabunge wa CHADEMA tuonyeshe dhamira ya kweli ya kuwatetea wananchi wa nchi hii na siyo hii ya kila mtu anakuja na single yake.
     
  8. fige

    fige JF-Expert Member

    #8
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Jul 4, 2010
    Messages: 377
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 0
    Nakuunga mkono mkuu lakini kwanini chadema peke yao au hao wengine wanajulikana kuwa hawana nia njema ?

    Binafsi niliwahi leta thread hapa ya kuuliza base ya kiasi hicho wanacholipwa lakini sikujibiwa.

    Najua umeanzisha hii, ili kuwafanya cdm waonekane wapo kwa ajili ya masilahi yao binafsi jambo ambalo sina uhakika sana.lakini ninavyofuatilia michango yako naona ndiyo mlengo wako.

    Hata hivyo naunga mkono hoja kama utaondoa neno KAMA KWELI MNA UCHUNGU.

    KUMBUKA HII VITA NI YETU SISI WANYONGE CDM WANATUSEMEA TU, NAO WAKIBADILIKA TUNATAFUTA MWINGINE.
     
  9. m

    mzee wa njaa JF-Expert Member

    #9
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Jun 16, 2011
    Messages: 1,368
    Likes Received: 1
    Trophy Points: 0
    Majungu hayo hayana tija.
     
  10. F

    FJM JF-Expert Member

    #10
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Apr 11, 2011
    Messages: 8,091
    Likes Received: 76
    Trophy Points: 145
    CHADEMA pamoja na uchache wao na mizengwe toka ccm wameweka record kwa kuibua na kupinga mambo mengi ya msingi. Wewe ritz pamoja na wa-ccm wenzako hamna moral authority ku-challenge chadema on anything regarding governance. Mmeshindwa hata ku-challenge misahama ya kodi kwenye maeneo mnayowakilisha kupitia the so called 'ECONOMIC FREE ZONE'.
     
  11. Paul Kijoka

    Paul Kijoka JF-Expert Member

    #11
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Oct 25, 2010
    Messages: 1,397
    Likes Received: 2
    Trophy Points: 135

    Unatakiwa kupimwa akili. Haki ya Mungu. Ni vyema ujue kuwa sote ni mali ya udongo na tutakufa. Ni bora ujue kuwa Mungu yupo. Ujue kuwa watanzania wengi zaidi ya asilimia 50 hawajui wale nini leo, kesho na daima. Ujue kuwa Wizi wa posho na takrima ni dhambi. Alafu ujue kuwa watu wanahitaji ata tu sh. 2000/ ili wasife hospitalini....... Nina hasira na wewe mimi. Watanzania sasa. tutaanza kuuana... kama ujinga ndo huu... Mi niko Lindi, jana nilimsikiliza Nape akipiga porojo anawadanganya masikini, iliniuma sana.

    Nilikuwa tayari nimetembelea wilaya ya Lindi vijijini hasa jimbo la Mchinga (Nchinga) na Mtama. Hali ni mbaya. Nadhani kwa ugumu huu wa maisha basi kama Mungu yupo nakubaliana na bora ngamia kupita kwenye tundu la sindano.......
     
  12. Paul Kijoka

    Paul Kijoka JF-Expert Member

    #12
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Oct 25, 2010
    Messages: 1,397
    Likes Received: 2
    Trophy Points: 135
    <br><br><br><img src="attachment.php?attachmentid=0&amp;stc=1" attachmentid="0" alt="" id="vbattach_0" class="previewthumb"><strong>Unatakiwa kupimwa akili. Haki ya Mungu. Ni vyema ujue kuwa sote ni mali ya udongo na tutakufa. Ni bora ujue kuwa Mungu yupo. Ujue kuwa watanzania wengi zaidi ya asilimia 50 hawajui wale nini leo, kesho na daima. Ujue kuwa Wizi wa posho na takrima ni dhambi. Alafu ujue kuwa watu wanahitaji ata tu sh. 2000/ ili wasife hospitalini....... Nina hasira na wewe mimi. Watanzania sasa.&nbsp; tutaanza kuuana... kama ujinga ndo huu... Mi niko Lindi, jana nilimsikiliza Nape akipiga porojo anawadanganya masikini, iliniuma sana.<br><br>Nilikuwa tayari nimetembelea wilaya ya Lindi vijijini hasa jimbo la Mchinga (Nchinga) na Mtama. Hali ni mbaya. Nadhani kwa ugumu huu wa maisha basi kama Mungu yupo nakubaliana na bora ngamia kupita kwenye tundu la sindano.......<br></strong>
     
  13. Angel Msoffe

    Angel Msoffe JF-Expert Member

    #13
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Jun 21, 2011
    Messages: 6,800
    Likes Received: 63
    Trophy Points: 145
    Kwani miaka 50 ya ccm walishapinga lipi ambalo ni la kuwanyonya wananch wa Tz? kwa uzalendo waliouonyesha chadema wanastahl kupongezwa sana, big up chadema
     
  14. peck

    peck JF-Expert Member

    #14
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Dec 20, 2010
    Messages: 202
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 33
    kama kwa hili dogo serikali yaccm inakataa na kuwatishia kuwafukuza wabunge watakao acha kusaini posho, unadhani watalielewa na kiinua mgongo.
    safari hatua wameanza na posho likifanikiwa hilo wanakwenda another step
     
  15. M

    Malunde-Malundi JF-Expert Member

    #15
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Jan 10, 2008
    Messages: 1,287
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 0
    Mod inabidi ao
    ngeze ukumbi wa pumba tuwe tunaweka huko mambo ya kipuuzi hiyo
     
  16. Ritz

    Ritz JF-Expert Member

    #16
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Jan 1, 2011
    Messages: 42,023
    Likes Received: 3,862
    Trophy Points: 280
    CDM mkiamua kupiga mambo ya pesa bungeni msichague aina za posho, hata hivyo viwango vya mishahara havijumuishi posho za vikao, mafuta ya gari na fedha za kujikimu ampapo sasa mbunge mmoja anapata Sh 135,000 kama posho kikao kimoja, hizi pesa nazo wabunge wa CDM wanachukuwa hakuna anaepinga sio Zitto wala Mbowe, Kwao ushindi ni kurudisha Shangingi la Mkuu wa kambi ya Upinzani bungeni, lakini kuna gari lingine kapewa Mbowe tofauti na ilo Shangingi afananyie kazi zake ilo nalo kakaa kimya hawa jamaa wasanii sana
     
  17. WAHEED SUDAY

    WAHEED SUDAY JF-Expert Member

    #17
    Jun 27, 2011
    Joined: Jun 24, 2011
    Messages: 6,215
    Likes Received: 538
    Trophy Points: 280
    Hii inadhihirisha jinsi gani watz wengi walivyo vilaza. We unajifikilia chadema iwe na dhamira, je we kama wewe una dhamira gani? Au ndo mawazo gando? Kama mawazo yenyewe ndo haya, walahi basi watz tunasafari ndefu isiyo na kikomo kufika mahala tunapohitaji kufika.
     
  18. Kimbunga

    Kimbunga Platinum Member

    #18
    Jun 28, 2011
    Joined: Oct 4, 2007
    Messages: 12,339
    Likes Received: 1,012
    Trophy Points: 280
    Mkuu vilaza ni posho gani hiyo tena? Yaani posho zipo nyingi kiasi hicho?
     
  19. Mshume Kiyate

    Mshume Kiyate JF-Expert Member

    #19
    Jun 28, 2011
    Joined: Feb 27, 2011
    Messages: 6,774
    Likes Received: 19
    Trophy Points: 135
    Naweza kusema wabunge wa Tanzania wanapata pesa sana, sina tena imani na wabunge wetu! Hawa nao kutoka upinzani tulikuwa tunawategemea kumbe nao lao ni moja kutafuna pesa tu vitu kama hivi wamekaa kimya, hakuna biashara nzuri kama ubunge auna hasara, CDM tunawapongeza kukataa posho ndogo ndogo na kurudisha gari, lakini kuna mambo mengi kumbe bungeni
     
  20. M

    Michelle Hilton Senior Member

    #20
    Jun 28, 2011
    Joined: Jun 26, 2011
    Messages: 141
    Likes Received: 0
    Trophy Points: 0
    binafsi sikatai swala la wabunge kupewa posho bt qanachopewa its too much!!siku zote mbunge kwa matakwa yake mwenyewe huomba ridhaa kwa wananchi ili wawatumikie kwa njia ya kuleta maendeleo jimbon na taifa kwa ujumla.sasa badala ya kuwasaidia kuwapa maendeleo wanawasaidia kutumia kodi zao tena asilimia kubwa kwa maendeleo binafsi,hakuna hela ndogo jaman kwa wananchi wa hali ya chini kuna watu wanaithamin mia km elf Kumi,na posho ndo zinasababisha walimu na watu wa fani mbalimbali kuacha kazi zao na kukimbilia ubunge hatimaye sehem nyingine kupwaya,kwel kupunguzwa kwa posho ni jambo la msingi sana
     
Loading...