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Cardinal Pengo; Before you jump into politics, Safisha kanisa lako!

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Selemani, Mar 17, 2011.

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    Selemani JF-Expert Member

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    March 15, 2011
    Avenging Altar Boy
    By MAUREEN DOWD Off Todays NYTimes.
    PHILADELPHIA

    The district attorney is burning a eucalyptus-spearmint candle on his desk.

    "I think the press looks down upon the D.A. drinking Jack Daniels during the day," R. Seth Williams says with a broad smile, "so I light my little stress-relief candle."

    It's understandable if the former altar boy at St. Carthage in West Philly needs to light a votive. The 44-year-old Catholic, who still attends Mass with his family at the same church, now called St. Cyprian, is the first U.S. prosecutor to charge a church official for a sickeningly commonplace sin: Endangering children whom the Roman Catholic Church was supposed to protect by shuffling pedophile priests to different parishes where they could find fresh prey.

    Williams, the first African-American elected district attorney in Pennsylvania, was an orphan given up by his unwed mother. He was put into two foster homes before he was adopted at 20 months old by a Catholic family.

    "I grew up treating the hierarchy of the church kind of like rock stars," he said in his 18th floor aerie, where he keeps a small iron crucifix and a cross fashioned from Palm Sunday fronds. "If you're going to meet the cardinal, you're supposed to kiss the guy's ring, all this stuff. But it is what it is. I wish I knew the Latin translation for that.

    "There's no get-out-of-jail-free card for raping, sodomizing, groping, doing anything wrong to kids."

    Msgr. William J. Lynn, who served from 1992 to 2004 as the secretary of clergy reviewing sexual abuse cases for then-Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua, appeared in court Monday. He is charged with felonies for allegedly helping the cardinal cover up molesters and transferring them to other parishes.

    "It was a conspiracy of silence to ensure the church's reputation and to avoid scandal," said Assistant District Attorney Evangelia Manos.

    Monsignor Lynn, a round, ruddy man in black priest's garb, sat silently in court behind his two lawyers - paid by the archdiocese - as a cheering squad of priests and parishioners watched.

    Lynn's co-defendants sat beside him: a rabbity-looking Rev. James Brennan, 47, charged with raping a 14-year-old boy named Mark in 1996 in his apartment; and the unholy alliance of a priest, the sepulchral Charles Engelhardt, 64, a defrocked priest, Edward Avery, 68, and a former Catholic schoolteacher, Bernard Shero, 48 - all charged with raping or sodomizing the same 10-year-old altar boy 12 years ago.

    Lynn's lawyer, Thomas Bergstrom, told reporters that the charges against his client were "a stretch" and that he was pleading not guilty.

    And Richard DeSipio, one of Brennan's lawyers, went on the attack against his client's accuser, now 29. "Their witness is in prison in Bucks County for stealing his sister's credit card and using it," DeSipio told Mensah Dean of The Philadelphia Daily News. "He's a convicted liar."

    On a local radio show on Tuesday, Brennan - a priest suspended by the church in 2006 - said he was uninterested in a plea deal, and his lawyer continued to paint the accuser as troubled.

    Even with a global scandal that never seems to stop disgorging disgusting stories, the Philadelphia grand jury report is especially sordid.

    It tells the story of a fifth-grade altar boy at St. Jerome School given the pseudonym Billy. Father Engelhardt plied him with sacramental wine and pulled pornographic magazines out of a bag in the sacristy and told the child it was time "to become a man," the report says.

    A week later, after Billy served an early Mass, the report states that Engelhardt instructed him to take off his clothes and perform oral sex on him. Then the priest told the boy he was "dismissed."

    "After that, Billy was in effect passed around to Engelhardt's colleagues," the report says. "Father Edward Avery undressed with the boy, told him that God loved him," and then had him perform sex. "Next was the turn of Bernard Shero, a teacher in the school. Shero offered Billy a ride home but instead stopped at a park, told Billy they were ‘going to have some fun,' took off the boy's clothes, orally and anally raped him and then made him walk the rest of the way home."

    Billy fell apart and turned to heroin.

    The report says Brennan knew Mark from the time he was 9. When he was 14, the priest arranged with Mark's mother for a sleepover. "Brennan showed him pornographic pictures on his computer, bragged about his penis size and insisted that Mark sleep together with him in his bed." Then the priest raped him as he cried, according to the report.

    Mark also fell apart and attempted suicide.


    Out of the church's many unpleasant confrontations with modernity, this is the starkest. It's tragically past time to send the message that priests can't do anything they want and hide their sins behind special privilege.

    In Seth Williams's city, the law sees no collars, except the ones put on criminals. 


    You talk of morality na utawala bora kwa wanasiasa wakati kanisa lako limegubikwa na kashfa kila kona. Kemea ouvu wa kanisa lako kwanza kabla hujaanza kuingilia mamlaka ya Kaisari.
     
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    bullshit!!!
     
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    Ataweza? ameshindwa papa kuwadhibiti mapdri wasinanihii watoto.
     
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    Uwezo Tunao JF-Expert Member

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    PENGO KABLA YA UKADINALI WAKE NI MTANZANIA ANAYETETEWA KWA KILA KONA
    NA KATIBA YETU ILI ATEKELEZE HAKI YAKE SAUTI KUSIKIKA NCHINI


    Usafi wa kanisa katuachie sisi wenyewe waumini tulioko chini yake mtusikie tukilalamika. Pia usisahau kwamba Mtumishi Pengo kabla hujamuita Kadinali kwanza ni Mtanzania anayepewa uhuru wa kila aina kuikosoa serikali, uvyombo vyake vyote pamoja na UFISADI wakutisha ulioshamiri nchini.

    Hebu kafikirie vizuri kwanza kabla haujaamua KUHIARI KUJIGEUZA KIPAZA SAUTI wa vinara wa ufisadi hapa nchi. Isitoshe wewe unakula Good Time huko Ughaibuni sijui kwa gharama za hao hao amba hivi sasa unatafuta kuwatete humu.

    Kamwe mabadiliko nchini hayawezi kuzulika na kufukuzilia mbali mafisadi kwa kujaribu kumnyamazisha mtu yeyote yule hapa Tanzania. Hebu fikiria vizuri kwanza!!
     
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    CCM 2011 NA MAKAMBI YAKE MBALI MBALI NCHINI

    Hivi kati ya hizi CCM mbali mbali hivi sasa nchini, wewe ni wa kundi gani hasa hapa chini???

    1. CCM- Uadilifu (Wazee wenzake na Mwalimu Nyerere ambao ni watulivu, wakomavu na masikini wa kutupwa kwa kuipenda sana nchi na wenye moyo kuitetea Tanzania).

    2. CCM- Ufisadi ( Ni kundi dogo linalojiita Wanamtandao au kumbakumba wa kila dili / mchecheto wa kila senti irukayo hewani wenye utayari wa kuuza hata mtoto wake alimradi fedha ipatikane zaidi kufanyia kila aina ya uchafu unaoweza kufikiria; ni wale ambao mpaka hivi sasa wamepepetwana pembeni wasio na kitu na kubakia RA + EL).

    3. CCM-Unguja (Chama cha Wazanzibara kama Vuai wa Kondoa na Hussein Mwinyi wa Kisarawe Umatumbini).

    4. CCM-Yatima (Ni wale akina Sumaye, Kigoda, Mungai, banduka, Komanya, Ngulume, na wengine waliokua chini ya BWM).

    5. CCM-Bongo Flava (Rizi1, Februari Ma-Ropes, Ndungai, Malisa, Nchimbi, ... hawa hawana hela ila kamsimamo wa uongo na kweli)

    6. CCM-Mwandosya / Mangula (Kanda ya Juu Kusini)

    7. CCM- Six/John Liquor Ma-Padlocks (Kanda ya Ziwa)

    8. CCM- Two Coins Mramba / Mrema / Mbatia (moshi Vijijini)

    9. CCM-Uislamu (Pwani/ Tanga / Mashariki na Pemba)

    Sasa hapa mtu unapoongelea CCM ni sharti uwe makini sana sana na ijulikane kwamba unazungumzia CCM ipi hasa.
     
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    @Selemani

    Hivi Pengo ni kadinali wa US au TAnzania??

    Ukianza kuhukumu wakatoliki wote, tutafika? Maana mie ntwahukumu marai wote wa africa walio madarakani kwa kutoa mifano ya Mugabe na kumhukumu JK

    Fikiria...
     
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    Kwa mujibu wa katiba tuliyo nayo sasa, Pengo si Mtanzania. Tanzania hairuhusu uraia wa nchi mbili. Kwakuwa Pengo ni Kadinali moja kwa moja anakuwa raia wa Vatican state.
     
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    Janjaweed JF-Expert Member

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    Yeah.... Hivi kwanini hawajamkamata bado na kumrudisha vatican? If it was that simple... them Makamba angeshafungwa kwa ubakaji, na viongozi wengine wengi tu wangeshafungwa kwa kuambukiza mabinti za watu ukimwi

    taratiiibu tutawavua nguo zote
     
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    Janjaweed JF-Expert Member

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    mkuu, selemani was one of the brightest and real challenge last year, naona kuna kitu amekula au kuna kitu amekosa kwenye zile expectations... he has just lost his mind
     
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    Watoto wa ismail bwana!
     
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    This is the worst cheap shot ever! ungeweza kujenga hoja vizuri kama ungeonesha ni jinsi gani mapadre wa jimbo la Dar wanalawiti watoto au kufanya maovu mengine kwani ni hao peke yake anaoweza kuwawajibisha na kuwachukulia sheria. Kardinali Pengo siyo Kardinali wa dunia nzima. Ndio maana kila Askofu au Kardinali anawajibishwa kwa makosa yanayotokea kwenye jimbo lake tu au mahali ambapo amewahi kuwa kiongozi wake wakati makosa yanafanyika.

    Mzungumzaji wa Kanisa zima ni Papa peke yake na tayari ameshachukua hatua kadha wa kadha. Laiti vyombo na mashirika mengine ya kidini nayo yangekuwa na mfumo wa kuwawajibisha wahusika wa vitendo hivi mara moja kwani Kanisa Katoliki worst hit organization linaonesha uongozi na mambo ambayo makanisa na viongozi wa dini nyingine hawajaanza hata kushughulikia.

    Ila ni jaribio zuri la kuunganisha vitu visivyo unganika.
     
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    Kaka Sele ni wewe kweli?

    Hivi ni wewe uliyeaminika kwa utashi na hoja?
    How did you allow yourself a free-fall ya busara?
    Umeisoma habari uliyopost kweli?

    Oh Lord, we have lost Sele from being a great thinker to a great sinker.... somewhere kuna tatizo la kisaikolojia umekutana nalo aisee

    Please omba hii thread iwe deleted aisee....
    hivi kwasababu yeye sio msafi ndio asizomee mabaya sio?
    hivi kwasbabu kadinali marekani kabaka ndio wa tanzania anyamaze sio?
    kwahiyo rostam akiiba tuhukumu kila mwanaCC siyo?
    Hivi kama Makamba alibaka basi makamba wote wabakaji sio?

    Poor thing...
     
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    Mzee Mwanakijiji Platinum Member

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    Jamani mbona kautafiti kadogo tu kangeweza kuonesha kuwa siyo kila Kardinali ni raia wa Vatican?
     
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    Je Pengo sio raia wa Vatican?
     
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    TIMING JF-Expert Member

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    MMM

    I think this was worse than the worst from Sele... naona vuguvugu la mabadiliko limemchoma sele kichwani

    I am shocked by Sele to say the least

    KWeli light travel faster than sound, ukimuona safii, ngoja azungumze sasa..........
     
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    TIMING JF-Expert Member

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    unadeal na zile spoilers mzee... aim ni dilution, angalia sele akiwa offline na hawa wanalala

    ni walewale
     
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    kwahiyo kwenye kikao mlichofanya baada ya kutumwa mmeona hiyo ndio finding eh? basi hebu kaanzeni hiyo hoja muone nini maana ya uchunguzi makini na uchunguzi uchwara

    you will be shocked
     
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    It's irrelevant and it shows how much thin thinking you have. Pengo is leading an instituttion of millions of worshipers and there are a lot people look after his leadership. What you are trying to imply or indicate is that Cardinal Pengo should not lead his people in Tanzania? So you are putting border line between the church and government? What is role of religious leaders in Tanzania then? When the same religious leaders came out and endorse Kikwete in 2005 where were you? You just want to hear good words but you are very selective on the truth. Cardinal Pengo and others Muslims or other religious leaders are doing their jobs in did. Tanzanians expect much more from all kinds of leaders because politics is failing Tanzanians and I am sure you are one of them thats why we here discussing this. Show me solutions from ccm and Kikwete and then you can tell us why Pengo shouldn't getting envolve. All I can see in your thinking, you are trying to navigate and starting religious bias discussions where there is no clear path. Maybe you prefer uchawi as solutions.
     
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    watoto wenu wenyewe mmewapeleka kwenye shule za seminary then unamlaumu Pengo hapa? Mpeleke taqwa uone kama hatatoka na div 0. Hata somo la dini yake mwenyewe hatapata hiyo B
     
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    Uwezo Tunao JF-Expert Member

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    Kumbe Alhaj Kikwete naye kapata wapi haki ya kutuongoza waka Mecca kupo kule Mashariki ya Kati. Sheikh Yahaya, Simba Bin Jumaa na akina nani kumbe wanafanya nini chini?

    Kama haunauhakika wa mambo kaulize usikurupuke; iweje Vertican State unayoisema mpaka sasa inayo Balozi wake nchini Kama Kadinali Pengo tayari ni Raia wake anayeishi nchini??

    Cha msingi kampeleke Kadinali Pengo Mahakamani kwa kuikosoa serikali ya Kikwete kwa kuendekeza UFISADI na kuandaa mauaji kabambe kwa siri dhidi ya sauti pinzani nchini kama hatua ya kutaka kulazimisha tena CCM shingoni mwetu Tanzania.
     
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