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Capitalism or Socialism?: Kenya and Tanzania

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by Smatta, Jan 6, 2010.

  1. Smatta

    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    Shortly after our independence, there was a lampoon between Kenyans and Tanzanians. Six years after independence, we (Tanzanians) determinedly ushered in the Arusha Declaration of socialism. Equality, national ownership of means of production, self-reliance and total emancipation of Africa became our main and noble vector. Indeed, we did a tremendous job to emancipate many African countries especially in South African region, thanks to the late Julius K. Nyerere.

    Kenya, on the other hand, embarked on western capitalism- under which equality of human beings is utopia. Kenyans called us a "man-eat-nothing" society while we referred to them as a "man-eat-man" society. In Swahili, a society of nyang'au or gibbons!

    I still remember one radio presenter asking his audience: "In which country does everybody own a car?" They used to reply: Tanzania, just because we wore tyre-shoes famously known as katambuga. We were a time capsule in the region for every body to laugh at!

    Fifteen years after the Zanzibar masquerade (Declaration) silently killed the Arusha one, Tanzanians, against the odds, are a society of man-steal-and-vend-everything-and-everybody including his own mother! It is facing decadency and decaying faster, way faster than one would expect!

    Tanzanians used to take capitalism as cruel and exploitative. Where are they today? They are more political "animalistic" and cannibalistic than the Kenyans they used to call gibbons. If Kenyans were gibbons, Tanzanians are currently devils. Ask me why. The Kenyans we used to laugh at, at least have something to show for their paradigm whereas Tanzanians have nothing to show but regret after some few devils miserably vended every mineral, animals, logs, banks, parastatals and what not for their own selfish interests!

    Whereas Kenyan government officials suspected for wrongdoing are shown the door, in Tanzania, the same are, regrettably, heavily protected. The whole government shamelessly whitewashes the stinking dirty! Refer to what happened when Kibaki's inner sanctum and allies Dr. Chris Murungaru, David Mwiraria and Kiraitu Murungi were implicated in the Anglo-leasing scam. They were not sacred or spared as it is in Tanzania currently, where many ministers (including their boss, the president) are implicated in many felonious deals. They are still "tanuaring"! Ask them what we should expect. No one knows. It is like putting the finger in the wind hoping to bet well! Wananchi, boot all looters out please! Do the right thing.

    Kenyans, for the love of their country, are able to use our tanzanite for the good of their country whilst our Judas are busy plundering in lieu of protecting our resources! Some thugs are able to come and rob our banks so as to invest at home. They are even helped by the Tanzanians who used to call them thieves and selfish! Whilst Kenya is becoming an economic hub and power house in the region, sadly, Tanzania is becoming a playing ground and rosy bed for political and economic predators! The Kenyans we used to hate do not hate us. They allow us to use their roads despite having mad drivers!

    The Kenyans we used to regard as shrewd do not hide their wealth like ours! The Kenyans -we used to regard as egoistic- are able to export their Form Four failures to teach our so-called international schools and academies! These very Kenyans come to our country and buy our produce whilst when we export them ourselves, they don't buy them! While Tanzanians are entangled and stranded in skullduggery and turpitude -with no known definition- Kenyans are flying and reaping the rewards of capitalism! Ask Tanzanians to define the type of policy governing them. Phew! Disgusting!

    We used to nag Kenyans for choosing old guards as presidents. Ask us with our young Turks. What do we benefit for having young blood which is best at pushing us down to purgatory? What anathema!

    The good Kenyans we used to hate, smartly used to sell to us their Cussons Imperial soap and Rivatex khangas when we had none. Though at inflated price, they did milk us. Contrary now, we are selling them our farm produce at throw-away price!

    While Kenyans nicely guard their border posts, we abusively let ours be used as conduit for evading tax. Ask the junior minister for East African white elephant Cooperation what befell him at Sirari in September. He was treated like a gawk despite being a mheshimiwa! Did you hear the government file any note of discomfiture?

    We pretend to love each other whilst the truth is: we hate each other! The enemy who tells you; "I am your sworn enemy" is better than the one who pretends to be your hubris. Ours have sedated us –with sweet words- so as to mistakenly regard them as our saviors while they are our slayers!

    Whereas Kenyans were able to pay their retirees -formerly employees of defunct East African Community decades ago- ours are dying without seeing a dime! Many have died without seeing even the office of the pay master. But again many swindlers are still in offices plundering even more! On top of the pensions of those innocent creatures, they're expediently selling and squandering our resources so as to make our country poorer and poorer. Albeit having all types of riches, we lag behind when affluent societies are mentioned! Is it a curse or what?

    Tanzanians who were taught equality and humanity, are currently facing insurmountable gulfs and disparities among themselves. To get a decent person in high places is rare. It is as difficult as finding a needle in the mountain of hay! What is going on is hypocrisy a la mizengwe. Hither is where cannibalism, ufisi, nihilism, hopelessness, uselessness you name it, come in.
    Let's go to the facts. Kenyans know what they're doing whilst Tanzanians, currently suffering from myopia and systemic political cannibalism, do not know their fateful future! How can they know with all this nihilism, vacuity, uppity and vacuum? We used to fear them, but presently, we fear ourselves more than we used to do to them!

    Nonetheless, Kenya is not spared of larcenous rulers. The difference though, is the fact that Kenyan rulers do not act like rat. They openly invest and employ people in their projects. They even pay taxes for their businesses. Their properties are known to the general public. They are able to save in their Kenya Commercial Bank which has branches in Tanzania. Where is our National Bank of Commerce, that we tomfoolery and madly offered to Boers? Ask Tanzanian ones. Everybody will flip flop and come up with bull-and-cock and other wishy-washy tales! Guys, the guys we used to goofily scorn and holler at are now heartedly laughing at us! What a shame! Shame, shame on you! What do we do?



    By Nkwazi Mhango
    Mhango is a Tanzanian living in Canada. He is a Journalist, Teacher, Human Rights activist and member of the Writers' Association of New Foundland and Labrador (WANL)

    http://www.africanexecutive.com/modules/magazine/articles.php?article=2722
     
  2. Lole Gwakisa

    Lole Gwakisa JF-Expert Member

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    Smatta, where have you been?
    I can see you are back and starting from right where you exited , in the Tz vs Kenya shadow boxing stuff!!
    Hows' Ngong forest my dear brother?
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    Another man with Kenya syndrom (i.e. Kenyae tukuzae)! simple facts tanzania is having 40 mio. people and Kenya is having 38 mio. people! Kenyan's GDP is around US $ 28 bio. while Tanzania's is around US$ 22 bio. that means GDP per capita for Kenya is greater by far compared to Tanzania's. If Kenya is at all what he describes why the people living under a dollar a day accounts over 54% of the whole Kenyan population and incresing while in Tanzania is 37% and decreasing? If you are selling a lot as you claim why is your economy not performed as the way you claim this year gonna grow 2.5% and tanzania's gonna grow around 5% we both had stimulus package, I need economics of that!
     
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    mmakonde JF-Expert Member

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    At least in Kenya you cannot find MPs and Cabinet members with fake Phds!
    Now even we have dubious MPs with fake Phd in EALA!
    Because of our stupidity,the Kenyans can send their Form 4 leavers to teach our schools!At least they speak fluent English than our Honourable Phd holders!
     
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    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    Am always around bro, wewe ndio hauonekani kwenye hizi forums zetu za kichokozi. Mwaka Mpya wenye fanaka Lole.

    PS
    Ngong forest iko tu, wenye nchi hawaku i encroach.
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    r u sure they don't fake? tell me which school did Balala and Ruto go? And that English of theres that says Ndaring for darling and lice for rice to eat is pathetic that's Kikuyu language for sure! I better remain with my swahili
     
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    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    Why do you always fear the truth? Numbers dont lie, but you are cooking up stats to satisfy your fragile ego, come up with something that can challenge people to debate intelligently, dont come here with guess work and expect us to swallow line, hook and sinker, we are smart people.

    And you cant keep coming up with the line 'Kenya syndrome' when a Tanzanian talks something positive about Kenya, you know better than that.
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    Those are numbers from World Bank and IMF! Which data do you need from Nationmedia sio? au GOK sio?
     
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    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    you remind me of a Moth, the way it gets attracted to bright things............
     
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    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    Give as a link, stop taking us for fools, we dont have the time of day to go round IMF data looking for stuff which is not in any way related to what my intention for starting this thread was.
     
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    mmakonde JF-Expert Member

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    Those days Colgate was a rare commodity!Only few who went to Sirari could afford.I used Magwanji soap!It was pathetic!
    Now we have champagne socialists in Tanzania!They preach CCM na UJAMAA while they live in extravagant life!The lie to many illiterate Tanzanians.
    If a Governor of BOT(Ndullu) can justify Tshs 1 billion maintanence for his residence while our women in Temeke hospital are lying on the floor ,this is unbealivable!
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    Here you go actually i made an error on GDP, but the difference remain relatively the same

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/print_2046.html

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/print_2001.html

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2003.html?countryName=Kenya&countryCode=ke&regionCode=af&#ke

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/print_2092.html


    IMF doesn't have country summary data anymore the webvsite is unfriendly right now so couldnt locate the figures!
     
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    Hellfire21 Member

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    Where do you get your data where does the 54% 37% figure come from and please dont tell me you got it from the CIA Fact book.FYI there is a disclaimer that the data is not up to date.Kindly get your facts right
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    If last updated was 27th November 2009, what else do you need? By the way has your economy improved ever since if at all you grew at 7% on 2008 and then you grew at 3% on 2009? Get the picture how will the numbers feature? obviously worse! stop excuses here! uende ukalale huna hoja!
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    The figures simply imply that Kenya is owned by the Delameres (i hear they hunt people on their estates they rain you bullets if you dare to tresspass them!) any of you here bragging is out of his/her minds since your brothers and sisters are IDPs and dying of hunger! be thankfully Tanzania is accomodating your butts to send remittance home and support your dying sisters and brothers otherwise you would be jobless back home!
     
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    Hellfire21 Member

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    Please tell me you are Kidding coz if you are not then i pity learn how everything if am not wrong the specific clause on the subject clearly states year 2000 est thats a cool 10 years its called a decade a lot has changed.
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    In those 10 years how many times has your economy grown over 5 percent to substantiate your arguments (i.e. give jobs to the poor)? Do you feature in your election violence? and recession? Actually your people living under one dollar now are at 54% according to The Standards i cant locate the archives! for your info Kibaki (Baba Jimmy) has only made his kinsmen rich during his two terms! the likes of Transcentury, Centrum and others! Can you explain to me how comes before Kibaki this companies never featured anywhere but now they are acquiring every Govenment assets behind closed doors! And the other time your friend came hear and yap ati Equity bank is the biggest!!!! at what cost? >50% population under a dollar a day!
     
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    nomasana JF-Expert Member

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    2000 data estimates?(that was ten years ago. a decade ago) that statistic is long outdated.

    kenya's inflation rate is at 5.3%
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    After changing the mode of calculation recently?
     
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    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    Hellfire21,

    sema bro naona umerudi tena humu ukumbini. Karibu sana na heri ya
    mwaka mpya. Leo naona the forum is blazing as I can see.

    Tuko pamoja.
     
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