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CALL FOR SUPPORT: To Build or not To Build - The Serengeti Highway saga

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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    From MARC NKWAME in Arusha,
    17th May 2010

    CONSTRUCTION of the Arusha-Musoma highway is now set to start in 2012.

    Officials here say that the controversy surrounding the project has been resolved.

    The Arusha Regional Commissioner, Mr Isidori Shirima, has said that government leaders in Arusha and Mara regions and District Commissioners for Monduli, Ngorongoro and Serengeti met recently with Tanzania National Parks (TANAPA) officials to deal with the matter.

    The meeting ironed out the controversies that have been hindering the execution of the proposed project.

    The opposition mainly came from pressure groups and green activists who were concerned about the possible negative environment impact that the road might cause, but the latest feasibility studies have taken into consideration such matters. "Even TANAPA who were also opposed to the project have so far conceded," said Regional Commissioner Shirima.

    According to Mr Shirima, it took the president, Mr Jakaya Kikwete, to intervene, ordering that the project was of high economic importance to the nation and specifically the four districts of Monduli, Ngorongoro, Serengeti and Musoma Rural, through which the highway is to traverse.

    The Monduli District Commissioner, Mr Jowika Wilson Kasunga, lauded the president's intervention saying that development in the area depended on the proposed Arusha-Musoma road which should have already been underway were it not for some opposing forces with 'personal interests!'

    The officials were speaking during the Arusha Regional Road Board meeting today.

    The Regional Manager for Tanzania Roads Agency, Mr Desdatus Kakoko, said the feasibility study for the project, including the total distance to be covered by the road, will be completed by December this year.

    "From January we intend to start raising funds for the project as well as floating tenders for consultants but the roadworks should be underway by early 2012," said Mr Kakoko.

    He added that the corridor will run from Mto-wa-Mbu, to Engaruka on to Lake Natron shores, Loliondo, Serengeti and finally Musoma.

    It is the Kleins Corner junction of Serengeti National Park which worried TANAPA because the area is an animal passage mostly favoured by elephants and once the road cuts through the Jumbos lives would be placed in danger due to passing trucks and buses.

    Green activists were also not sure if it was a good idea to have heavy construction works taking place in wildlife reserved areas. They have also been concerned with heavy traffic passing through Serengeti and parts of Ngorongoro wilderness.

    Daily News | Arusha-Musoma road work take off in 2012

    Outcry in West over plan to build road through Serengeti

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    Wildebeest graze in Serengeti National Park, far from the prying eyes of the Maasai Mara tourists. Environmentalist have protested plans to construct a road through the park. File Photo


    Posted Saturday, June 19 2010

    The Tanzanian government’s plan to build a road linking Arusha and Musoma is being opposed by wildlife advocates in the United States and other developed countries who warn that the route will disrupt the wildebeest migration and thus badly damage Tanzania’s tourism-dependent economy.


    A Facebook page posted under the heading “Stop the Serengeti Highway” has generated thousands of petition signatures in two weeks.

    The campaign against the road has been further propelled by a New York Times blogger, Olivia Judson, who laments that the proposed road will smudge Tanzania’s “outstanding record of conservation.”

    Expressing befuddlement as to why this route has been chosen, the Times blogger notes that President Jakaya Kikwete “is known for his interest in nature.”

    Just last month, the president personally greeted six black rhinos flown into the Serengeti from South Africa as part of an effort to regenerate the species in Tanzania, Ms Judson notes.

    The $480-million highway is planned to link Arusha and the Maasai Mara Game Reserve in Kenya through the Serengeti National Park, a statement by Isidori Shirima, Arusha Regional Commissioner said.

    There has been a three-year protest by green activists, including the Tanzania National Parks Authority, against interference with the wildebeest migration route.

    According to Mr Shirima, the government deemed the proposed 480km Arusha-Musoma tarmac road to be of great socioeconomic significance for Tanapa.

    Of the project’s total cost, $260 million will cover the Arusha-Serengeti section and $220 million the Serengeti-Musoma segment.

    Deusdedit Kakoko, the regional manager for Tanzania Roads Agency, said work will begin early 2012 while feasibility studies are to be completed by the end of this year.

    Some activists alarmed by the road’s potential impact note that it enjoys the support of local communities through which it would pass.

    And a few Times readers commenting on Ms Judson’s blog posting argue that the road is essential to Tanzania’s development and should not be opposed by well-off outsiders.

    Traders and travellers from the heavily populated area to be served by the proposed road must currently loop more than 418Km to the south to skirt the protected Serengeti, an environmentalist website acknowledges.

    Pascal Shelutete, spokesman for the Tanzanian National Parks Authority, was quoted in a recent UK Daily Telegraph story in defence of the project. “This new road will bring a great benefit to the economy of this cut-off part of the country, and ease the movement of people and goods,” Mr Shelutete said.

    “No big project of this scale would be contemplated without a thorough feasibility study, and it has shown that there will be no impact on the migration.”

    He noted that only an unpaved 40-mile stretch of the two-lane road’s 480km length will pass through the Serengeti.

    But that may be enough to disrupt the annual movement of tens of thousands of wildebeest between the Mara and Serengeti watering grounds, wildlife advocates say.

    The road will also open opportunities for poaching and increase the risk of transmitting diseases to wildebeest from livestock transported through the park, they argue.

    The entire ecosystem of the Serengeti, which is of great economic as well as environmental importance to Tanzania, could suffer negative consequences if the wildebeest migration does not occur, the activists add.

    Concerns


    The northern route newly approved by the government has previously been rejected on environmental grounds, the Times blogger points out.

    “One of the most awe-inspiring sights on the planet may soon vanish, killed by a road,” she warns the paper’s readers.

    Elsewhere, in Holland, Grant Hopcraft, an expert in wildebeest movements from the University of Groningen, said he was concerned about the prospect of cutting off one side of the migration from the other.

    “There is the obvious concern of creating a physical barrier. Wildebeest have no problem crossing roads, but there is nothing elsewhere in the Serengeti with this high capacity for traffic,” he told the UK-based Daily Telegraph newspaper.

    By the end of last week n online petition had started against the proposed road which had gathered over 2,000 signatures from around the world.

    The Telegraph report said that the Masai Mara, which borders the Serengeti, could also be affected as 1.8 million wildebeest and 500,000 zebra — and the lions, hyenas, cheetahs and wild dogs that stalk them – are constantly moving between the two areas.

    More than 100,000 tourists visit the Masai Mara during the peak migration months between July and October.

    Critics say the new commercial highway will cut through key migration routes and could permanently change this natural wonder.

    Tanzania’s government this month approved the new road linking the two towns, which will come as a considerable relief to traders and travelers.

    But Kenyan tourist officials remain worried. “We’re very concerned about this road, and are waiting for details while hoping the authorities have thoroughly investigated all possible alternatives,” said Jake Grieves-Cook, the head of the Kenya Tourist Board.

    Tanzania’s authorities are finalising design options, and it is expected that construction could start within 12 months.


    The East African: *- News*|Outcry in West over plan to build road through Serengeti

    Travel industry petitions to stop Serengeti highway

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    By David Blanton | Jun 21, 2010

    ITHACA, New York - Travel companies, associations, and travelers around the world are asking the government of Tanzania to stop plans for a major commercial highway across the Serengeti National Park.

    The government of Tanzania recently approved a major commercial truck highway across the Serengeti. The US$480 million highway is planned to link Arusha and the Maasai Mara Game Reserve in Kenya through the Serengeti National Park, said Isidori Shirima, Arusha regional commissioner.

    Conservation organizations have warned that the highway would be destructive to the Serengeti ecosystem, as it cuts across the path of ancient wildlife migration routes. The Frankfurt Zoological Society, which has been the main supporter of the Serengeti for the past fifty years, stated, "The entire Serengeti will change into a completely different landscape holding only a fraction of its species and losing its world-class tourism potential and its status as the world's most famous national park - an immense backlash against the goodwill and conservation achievements of Tanzania.”

    Responding to the threat, an online petition by travel operators and associations asks the government of Tanzania to stop the highway. It warns that, in addition to damaging a priceless World Heritage Site, it would damage Tanzania’s tourist industry, jeopardizing billions of shillings in foreign exchange needed for economic development.

    Tour companies and associations interested in signing the petition should go to the following web site:
    Stop the Serengeti Highway | Save The Serengeti


    On the site, there is a link to the travel industry petition, as well as information on how individuals can get involved. The website also has background information on the highway and its impacts, as well as links to articles and official positions by the African Wildlife Foundation and Frankfurt Zoological Society. Also included in the site is information on an alternative route around the southern part of the Serengeti that preserves the ecosystem and provides service to a greater number of Tanzanians.

    The Serengeti ecosystem is a geographical region located in northwestern Tanzania and southern Kenya. It hosts the largest and longest overland migration in the world. Some two million wildebeest, zebras, and antelope make the annual trek each year between Kenya’s Masai Mara Reserve and the Serengeti National Park in Tanzania. It is widely regarded as the greatest wildlife spectacle on Earth, and the Serengeti National Park is a UNESCO World Heritage Site.


    Tanzania Plans For Commercial Truck Highway Travel industry petitions to stop Serengeti highway - eTurboNews.com


    [FONT=courier new,monospace]My take:[/FONT]
    [FONT=courier new,monospace]Pls politicians stay out of Serengeti, while the TANAPA, TAWIRI and FZS never approved the construction of a bitumen road within the Serengeti, with disregard of advice from scientists, HE Kikwete has authoritative intervened and forced the project to go ahead without the sense of awareness on the irreversible and detrimental ecological effects that the road will cause to the Serengeti ecosystem in whole! Just to give simple misgivings that will come out this ill-devised construction project due late in 2012 ; [/FONT]

    1. [FONT=courier new,monospace]Serengeti will be delisted from the WORLD Heritage List [/FONT]
    2. [FONT=courier new,monospace]The Great Migratory Route will be delisted from the list of World Wonders [/FONT]
    3. [FONT=courier new,monospace]Lifestyle of a lot of animals within their natural ecosystem will be seriously endangered/disturbed if not killed by movement of heavy trucks that will be traversing across the park, imagine the diverse-species of birds, amphibians, reptiles and big mammals that will be overrun by tyres of heavy trucks that will be moving day and night[/FONT]
    [FONT=courier new,monospace]Just to give an idea, Kruger National Park and Masai Mara couldn't be in the World Heritage List (WHL) like the Serengeti cause they have a road within the reserve whereas Masai Mara! has encroached the park and has no EMP! The same fate allures us and World heritage delisting will be our returns to our politicized decisions that don't adhere to Environmist and wildlife consultancy! Just recently, the city of Dresden in Germany was delisted from WHL since they built a bridge of less than 100m!! How about our gross carelessness on constructing over 400 km across the park?

    [/FONT][FONT=courier new,monospace]Pls our politicians save our Heritage and spare the Serengeti, if at all there is an Environmental consultancy that carried out EIA and approved the project to go on! then i am here denouncing that company since its obvious environmental ethics were not followed![/FONT]
     
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    Thats good news for tz....we don't need to listen what the tribalists cry about it!
     
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    we should clearly not go for this road, infact people from loliondo should be removed from the park altogether, i wonder why people should use national park road goin to musoma, people should use arusha, babati, singida to mwanza road then get to musoma instead of passing to national park, thia road from arusha, babati, singida to mwanza is now on the verge of completion, i wonder y we should go for a road in national park! i am tanzanian but this for sure is not a good idea, even now to me is not a good idea for people just to pass through national park as transit goin to mwanza, there are lot of vehicles passing through national parks goin to mwanza! let leave national parks as national parks not transit routes!

    ila kwa ili ngoja tusubiri majirani zetu magaidi wa kenya watavyo response, te te te!
     
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    New road threatens Tanzania's 'wonder of the world' wildebeest migration


    © 18 June 2010

    The migration of vast herds of wildebeest and zebra from Tanzania into Kenya has for decades attracted conservationists armed with clipboards and tourists wielding cameras. But a new commercial highway is to be built which will cut through key migration routes and could permanently change this marvel of nature.

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    Tanzania's government this month approved the new road linking two key towns in the country's northwest - Arusha, near Mount Kilimanjaro, and Musoma on Lake Victoria. Currently traders and travellers from the heavily populated area must loop more than 260 miles to the south to skirt the 5,700 sq mile Serengeti National Park, home for most of the year to the vast herds of wildebeest and zebra.
    "This new road will bring a great benefit to the economy of this cut-off part of the country, and ease the movement of people and goods," said Pascal Shelutete, spokesman for the Tanzanian National Parks Authority. "No big project of this scale would be contemplated without a thorough feasibility study, and it has shown that there will be no impact on the migration." Only 40 miles of the two-lane highway's approximately 300 mile length will pass through the Serengeti, and this stretch will not be paved, Mr Shelutete added.
    But conservationists and armchair animal rights activists disagree that the wildlife will not be affected. A Facebook page has been set up under the title Stop The Serengeti Highway, and an online petition started on Tuesday had by Sunday gathered more than 2,000 signatures from people from as far afield as Britain, Japan and the US.
    "This raises serious concerns, and opens the door to the problem of cutting off one side of the migration from the other," said Grant Hopcroft, an expert in East Africa's wildebeest movements from the University of Groningen in Holland.
    "There is the obvious concern of creating a physical barrier. Wildebeest have no problem crossing roads, but there is nothing elsewhere in the Serengeti with this high capacity for traffic. But also there will be more human movement, opening avenues for poaching, and raising risks of disease transmission, especially to the wildebeest from livestock being transported through the park."
    The migration is best known in the Masai Mara National Reserve in southern Kenya, which borders the Serengeti. But the movement of the 1.8 million wildebeest and 500,000 zebra and the carnivores which stalk them is in fact a constant cycle from the Masai Mara south into, and around, the Serengeti and then north again into Kenya.
    More than 100,000 tourists visit the Masai Mara during the peak migration months between July and October. Most are drawn by the chance to see tens of thousands of the honking antelope try to cheat death in a crocodile's jaws as they cross the swollen Mara River. More than 50,000 a year fail, conservationists estimate.
    "We're very concerned about this road, and are waiting for details while hoping the authorities have thoroughly investigated all possible alternatives," said Jake Grieves-Cook, head of the Kenya Tourist Board. Tanzania's authorities are finalising design options, and it is expected that construction could start within 12 months.


    New road threatens Africa's 'wonder of the world' wildebeest migration - Telegraph


    http://www.bongoline.com/blogs/new-road-threatens-tanzanias-wonder-of-the-world-wildebeest-migration-


     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    Babuyao JF-Expert Member

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    Kwa hili serikali imekosea. Itaharibu kabisa mazingira tulivu ya wanyama wa serengeti. Inafaa serikali itafakari upya suala hili.
     
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    Ni vema Serekali ikafuata ushauri wa wataalamu,

    African wildlife Foundation, Frunfurt Zoological Society wamekuwa wakisaidia serekali kwa miaka mingi katika uhifadhi wa wanyama pori, wamekuwa mstari wa mbele kupinga ujenzi wa bararabara hii

    Kuna hizo report zao nime attach
     

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    Kichuguu Platinum Member

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    (1) Ingawa lingekuwa jambo la maana kutokujenga barabara katika eneo lile, kwa bahati mbaya sana mbuga zile ni kubwa sana na zinatenganisha semehu mbili za nchi zinazotegemeana sana kiuchumi. Kwa tanzania maskini kama ilivyo kutaa mtu azunguke toka Musoma kwenda hadi Singida ili aweze kufika Arusha ni upuuzi unaovumiliwa tu na watu wasiofikiri kwa kina.

    (2) Wanyama hawaogopi magari, na ndiyo maana watalii wanakwenda kuwaona kwa kutumia magari. Barabara ya kutoka Musoma kwenda Arusha ipo siku nyingi na magari yamekuwa yanapita miaka neda rudi. Kinachofanyika ni kuiwekea lami; sasa nani alisema kuwa wanyama hawaishi mahali kuliko na barabara ya lami? Wanyama hawa wapa wako wapi kama siyo barabara za lami?

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    Kichuguu Platinum Member

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    Walioandika ripoti hizi wanaishi Musoma? Ripoti hizi zimeandikwa kwa msukumo wa Kenya, ndiyo maana mojawapo ya talking points zake inazungumzia East African Community. Campaign ya kusukumiza kuandikwa kwa ripoti hizi ilianzishwa na wakenya kule facebook. Zote zimetumia language ya aina moja kutokana na hizo talking points walizopewa. Hii inaniongezea kero sana kuhusu huu muungano wa East Africa na hasa kama tutafikia kuingiliana mambo yetu ya ndani yakiwamo ya uraia na immigration badala ya kushirikiana kibiashara tu.

    hebu angalia baadhi talking points:

     
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    Prodigal Son JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu KICHUGUU

    Dhana kwamba waliondika ripoti ni Wakenya ni potofu kabisa, sio kila wanachokisema wakenya sio sahihi, Kumbuka mashirika kama WWF, FZS,AWF wamekuwa wakiisaidia serekali kwa mambo mengi, mfano uanzishwaji wa national park, uhifadhi, training ,nk

    Jaribu kupitia report zote kwa umakini utaona kinacholalamikiwa. Kama umesome hiyo report ya FZS - hiyo report moja ya walioiandaa ni GERALD BIGURUBE - HUYU BWANA ALIKUWA BOSS WA TANAPA KWA MUDA MREFU,
    Je na huyu ni Mkenya?????



     
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    Babuyao JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu, kwa hakika barabara hiyo itawavuruga wanyama kwa kiwango kikubwa sana.

    Kwanza ujenzi wenyewe wa barabara ya lami utahusisha shughuli mbalimbali ndani ya mbuga kiasi kwamba itakuwa kero kwa wanyama hao kwa kipindi chote cha ujenzi huo (miaka kadhaa).

    Pili, baada ya kukamilika barabara hiyo itakuwa na magari mengi yatakayopita kuliko ilivyo sasa. Huu mwongezeko wa magari katika barabara hiyo utawavuruga wanyama, lakini pia kama ninavyowafahamu madreva wengi wa TZ, wataua wanyama wengi na magari yao. Na hii ni hasara.

    Unajua ugumu wa mbuga ya serengeti ni kule kuhama kwa wanyama kwa makundi makubwa sana katika vipindi fulani kwa mwaka. Kuhama huku ndiko itakuwa tatizo pale ambapo itabidi wavuke barabara yenye magari mengi wanapohama kwenda/kurudi Serengeti/Masai Mara. Kusingekuwa na kuhama huku pengine ingekuwa nafuu.
     
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    Kichuguu Platinum Member

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    Maelezo yako siyo sahihi sana; ile barabara haiwezi kuwa na magari mengi kiasi cha kuzuiwa wanyama wasitembee. Ni barabara inayoishia Musoma tu? Kutokana na sensitivity ya eno hilo, tunaweza kuweka speed limit na vifaa vya kisasa kukamata magari yanayozidi hizo speed limts.

    In fact nimeangalia kuwa magari yanakatisha sehemu ndogo sana kuliko hivi sasa ambapo yamekuwa yanapita eneo kubwa sana la wanyama. Vile vile wakati wa migration ya wanyama, barabara zinazweza kufungwa na mamlaya ya hifadhi kuzuia magari yasipite hadi baada ya kipindi hicho. Kuna njia nyingi za ku-control effects kwa wanyama bila kuzuia maendeleo kwa watu wa Musoma.

    Tusipende maendeleo ya wanyama zaidi ya yale ya watu.
     
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    Kichuguu Platinum Member

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    Nimesoma ripoti zote, ni fupifuopi tu. Ninaweza kukuambia kuwa zote zinacontain same talking points ambazo baadhi nimebandika hapo juu. Unaweza kuzitafuta zote kule facebook ambako zilianzishwa na Mkenya mmja wa Mombasa, zikanaswa na wakenya mbalimbali na kuzismabaza AP na kwingineko.
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    Bwana Kichuguu,

    Kumbuka hiyo barabara ikipitia Karatu yani nje ya mbuga itapita vijiji vingi zaidi na itakuwa na manufaa zaidi kwa watu zaidi ya million moja na kulinda hifadhi yetu! Ikumbukwe mbuga kuwa under World Heritage Site kuna manufaa zaidi ya kujenga hiyo barabara ambayo 54 km zitakatiza Serengeti na kuifanya itolewe kwenye List of World Heritage Sites!

    Halafu fikiria athari za magari mengi makubwa na mazito kupita hapo kwa maana majirani zetu wengi ni landlocked yaani Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi na DRC na njia hii itafupisha umbali kwao! Jifikirie malori mazito ya mizigo yenye kubeba chemicals na mafuta yatakayopita huko na ajali zitakazokuwa zinatokea kwa msongamano huo!

    Ikumbukwe Serengeti kama 7th Wonder inaleta over 1US$ bilion na ina potentials ya kuleta zaidi katika hali yake ya sasa na si baada ya kuweka barabara ya lami! Si muda mrefu tutaanza kuona negative publicity on CNN, CBS, CNBS, Bloomberg news kuhusu hili na itaharibu kila tuliyofanikiwa! Hata hao highly paying tourists wataacha kuja!
     
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    RRONDO JF-Expert Member

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    mmeshindwa kuweka hivyo vifaa vya kisasa kuokoa maelfu ya binadamu wanakufa kwa ajali....leo hii unasema mtaweka vifaa hivyo kuokoa WANYAMAPORI......
     
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    well said.makes a lot of sense....
     
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    Jasusi JF-Expert Member

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    Hata Mwalimu Nyerere alikataa kuandika "utangulizi" kwa kitabu cha Benki kuu ya Dunia kilichokuwa kinapinga kujengwa kwa barabara za lami katika mbuga za wanyama. Mwalimu alimwambia Wolfenson kuwa nchi zote zilizoendelea zina barabara za kisasa katika maeneo ya hifadhi na kwa nini mnataka sisi ndio tusitoe nafasi za maendeleo kwa watu wetu?
     
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    Geza Ulole JF-Expert Member

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    Sasa kama nchi zilizoendelea zilipitia njia ya uharibifu wa mazingira miaka hiyoo kwa nini sisi tuharibu sasa?

    Ina maaana human kind bado haija-advance kuweza kung'amua mabaya ya kipindi hicho? What is the need of technology and creativeness advancements? Kwa kusema hivyo pia utahalalisha na hata utumwa maana hao watu wa West walitumia Watumwa kuendelea! kwa hivyo basi, nasi tutumie watumwa na sio machines zilizopo kuendelea :redfaces:!

    Na naomba usimshushie hadhi Mwl Nyerere! ukumbuke bila yeye Serengeti na mbuga zote hizi zisingekuwapo! Yeye ndiye alitenga na hata kuongeza maeneo kwa yale yalishowahi tengwa hapo kabla na wakoloni na alishiriki kuweka conservation plans and laws in the name of protecting our heritage zilizoziweka hizo mbuga katika hali hiyo mpaka leo hii! Na hata leo hii kuwapo kwa organizations kama FZS na AWF zinazopinga ujenzi wa barabara kati ya mbuga ni kwa vile ya uhusiano mzuri kati ya Mwl na mazingira! Acha kabisa uhuni huo hiyo barabara inaweza kupitia Karatu na Tabora na ikafika Musoma bila ya kuharibu the sensitive ecological heritage at the Serengeti!

    Wewe na Mkwere wako mna lenu jambo nyie siwalaumu ila ni uelewa wenu mdogo! Watanzania tuamke na kuwaonya wanasiasa kuingilia maamuzi ya kitaalamu kama ya TANAPA yaliyopinga ujenzi huu ila kunywea baada ya siasa kuingizwa!
     
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    Terrible idea.
     
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    Geza Ulole,
    Alichosema Mwalimu ni kwamba nchi zilizoendelea zina barabara za kisasa katika mbuga za hifadhi na hii si nongwa. Na hawa hawana haki ya kutuambia sisi tusiweke barabara za kisasa katika hifadhi zetu. Na uamuzi wa maendeleo yetu tunaufanya sisi, sio World Bank. Do you have an issue with that?
     
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