Binadamu wa kwanza ni yupi? Wa Olduvai au Adam

[Kiranga]

Unaju maana ya theory, nachelea kugeuza hii thread kuwa mjadala kati yenu na mimi ninayefikiri using several knowledge lakini I come up with my own understanding and argumenta nachelea sana copy vya wengine na kuvipaste. Can you test that theory? Unapokuwa mfuasi wa idea ya mtu sio upokee kila kitu bali na wewe pia sio unasoma 2+2=4 uliza ni kwanini nne sasa naona kama unaleta theories untested

Hivyo vitu ninavyokuambia ushavisikia maishani mwako kwanza au ndiyo unavijua leo, maana kama Julius anavyoonesha inawezekana sio tu huelewi, bali inawezekana huwezi kuelewa.

Hizi theories nyingine bado zinaitwa "theory" kwa sababu katika sayansi hamna 100% na sayansi iko centred on skepticism.

Ukitaka kuelewa maana ya neno "theory" in its broadest sense soma "The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution " cha Richard Dawkins, although frankly speaking I seriously doubt you have the intelligence to fully appreciate it and even if you can I doubt your psychological baggage will let you admit the clarity it provides. Ungekuwa unaelewa what is "The theory of relativity" and how ridiculous it sounds to dispute it just because it is called a theory ungeelewa. Basically unataka kubisha jiwe likirushwa litaanguka chini kwa sababu tu jina la hii phenomena limeanza na "theory"

Elewa "scientific theory" ina standards na kuweza kuwa na meaning tofauti na the word "theory" in english.

Hebu soma wiki ya hili swala hapa kwanza

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory[/ame]

Sasa kati yangu mimi nianyequestions thousands of years of religious dogma, na kuangalia vitu vilivyo peer reviewed na kuvi review mwenyewe nani ana cut and paste?

Mimi mwenyewe ni bonge wa critic wa sayansi, na ukiniambia ni cut and paste utakuwa hunitendei haki, lakini kwenye swala la evolution/ creation kama evolution ina kinks za ku work out, creation is an outright lie, kwa sababu hakuna mungu na binadamu hakuumbwa as far as I am concerned, lakini ninaweza kudemonstrrate evolution, natural selection na survival of the fittest in action kama nilivyoonyesha katika post # 78.

By the way post # 78 unaikimbia bado, hujaipa majibu, si wewe tu, wewe na wenzako wote wenye mawazo medieval kama wewe.

 

[RayB]

Mkuu RayB, lakini hicho si ndicho anachokuambia yeye...? Ya kwamba waumini wa dini wanakubaliana na mafundisho ya imani zao, kwa swala na script mbalimbali. Lakini kama unavyotaka tu kusema hapa, ukiulizwa maswali ya one-to-one kuhusiana na yote yale unayoamini, pahala pengi utakwama. Ni sawa na wanasayansi wanaposhindwa kujibu baadhi ya mambo wanakupatia percentage accuracy ya hicho ulichouliza au wanachotafiti. Kama ni asilimia 45 watasema hivyo na wataonesha proof zao, kama ni asilimia 99.5 pia watasema hivyo. Lakini leo hii nikikuuliza wewe ni kwa asilimia ngapi binadamu wa kwanza ndiye alikuwa Adamu... ni vigumu kuleta proof ya kiuelewo wa kibinadamu.

Ndo maana nikaweka mjadala huu Steve, na toka mwanzo maoni yangu kama umecheki yalikuwa ni neutral mno nikijaribu kupata data zipi zinaleta maana. Na bahati nzuri imani yangu mimi ni kati ya zile zianzoruhusu challenge sana kwani kuna mawili ktk challenge kustrenghthen imani yako au kujua ukweli zaidi ya kile unachokifahamu. Tatizao ni hoja ilibadilika na kwenda katika philosophical ambiguities na utakubalina nami kuwa huko ni uwanja mpana sana na hakuna aliyeperfect nitahoji kwa chochote na no one can prove zaidi kuwa mwamini wa hizo theories.

 

[Kiranga]

Nimekuuliza swali mpaka sasa unajifanya ulioni eti dummies...lol! wacha jazba jibu kisomi... eti natural selection.

Hakuna swali ambalo sijalijibu, labda una malengelenge huwezi kusoma.

On the contrary, maswali yangu ya post # 78 hayajajibiwa, na mimi bado nawasulubu nayo tu.

Hamna nyimbo.

 

[X-PASTER]

Hakuna swali ambalo sijalijibu, labda una malengelenge huwezi kusoma.

On the contrary, maswali yangu ya post # 78 hayajajibiwa, na mimi bado nawasulubu nayo tu.

Hamna nyimbo.

kwenye hiyo post #78, hakuna cha maana ulicho eleza zaidi ya hao bacteria wanao badilika kila kukicha eti ndio hiwe msingi wa argument zako... Mimi nimekuuliza swali dogo tu, kuhusu binadamu wa kwanza mpaka sasa bado unagwaya gwaya na maelezo mengine meeeengi yasio kichwa wala miguu. eti ...natural selection lol!

 

[Kiranga]

Ndo maana nikaweka mjadala huu Steve, na toka mwanzo maoni yangu kama umecheki yalikuwa ni neutral mno nikijaribu kupata data zipi zinaleta maana. Na bahati nzuri imani yangu mimi ni kati ya zile zianzoruhusu challenge sana kwani kuna mawili ktk challenge kustrenghthen imani yako au kujua ukweli zaidi ya kile unachokifahamu. Tatizao ni hoja ilibadilika na kwenda katika philosophical ambiguities na utakubalina nami kuwa huko ni uwanja mpana sana na hakuna aliyeperfect nitahoji kwa chochote na no one can prove zaidi kuwa mwamini wa hizo theories.

Heading yenyewe ya thread ilivyokuwa formulated inaonyesha a poor thought process.

First off, binadamu is a misnomer. Na kama unauliza swali na unataka kujua ukweli, kutuma neno binadamu kunaonyesha una bias ya kidini.

Pili swali linauliza btn Adam na wa Olduvai. Adam is a myth as shown above, huyo wa Olduvai kuna watu washagundua mwingine aliyekuwapo zamani zaidi kumshinda huko mitaa ya Chad, kwa hiyo your question itself is based on a wrong premise. If you don't have the intellikgence to pose this question in a logically consistent and informed manner, how can I expect you to understand and appreciated a rich and unashamedly scientific seismic torrent?

Kama unamaanisha kuuliza which seems to be more plausible, creation vs. evolution at least proponents wa evolution wanaweza kukuonyesha evolution in action kama nilivyoonyesha katika post # 78 (ambayo mpaka sasa haijajibiwa by the way) lakini creationist wana nini? stories za mythologies za wayahudi tu, stories ambazo nishaonyesha jinsi zilivyojaa contradictions hapa.

I mean clearly kama unataka kuwa objective, uondoe psychological and traditional baggage, mamabo ya dini tulizojifunza kutoka kwa wazazi wakati tunanyonya (I admit ukilazimishwa kusema salamu maria mara nyingi tangu miaka minne kukubali kwamba hamna mungu inakuwa ngumu si kwa sababu zilizo inellectually sound, but purely sentimental ones)

Kwa hiyo kick the sentimentalities away, it is 2010 for atom's sake. It is OK to say god does not exist.

 

[Kiranga]

kwenye hiyo post #78, hakuna cha maana ulicho eleza zaidi ya hao bacteria wanao badilika kila kukicha eti ndio hiwe msingi wa argument zako... Mimi nimekuuliza swali dogo tu, kuhusu binadamu wa kwanza mpaka sasa bado unagwaya gwaya na maelezo mengine meeeengi yasio kichwa wala miguu. eti ...natural selection lol!

1. Swali lako limejibiwa in more than one way, kama una kitu specific uliza tena. I suspect either hujui kusoma (comprehension) au kama unajua, unaunazi tu unaokufanya ubishe vitu kwa uushabiki.

2. Mimi nimekuonyesha evolution in action, wewe unaweza kunionyesha creation in action zaidi ya blah blah za biblia zilizojaa contradictions?

 

[X-PASTER]

1. Swali lako limejibiwa in more than one way, kama una kitu specific uliza tena. I suspect either hujui kusoma (comprehension) au kama unajua, unaunazi tu unaokufanya ubishe vitu kwa uushabiki.

2. Mimi nimekuonyesha evolution in action, wewe unaweza kunionyesha creation in action zaidi ya blah blah za biblia zilizojaa contradictions?

Swali umejibu wapi mbona unajitia ubazazi wa bure...? Hiyo evolution ya bacteria ina uhusiano gani na wanyama wengine? Nani asiyejuwa kuwa many of them can assume a new form every day, and their numbers can reach thousands in a matter of minutes. Yaani ndio umeona wa kuwatolea mfano!?

 

[X-PASTER]

hizo unazo ziita blah blah za kwenye bibilia, subiri wenyewe waje, ndio utajuwa kama ni blah blah kwao au lah!

 

[Kiranga]

hizo unazo ziita blah blah za kwenye bibilia, subiri wenyewe waje, ndio utajuwa kama ni blah blah kwao au lah!

Usitake kuwaachia wenzako kazi, goma lenu wote mnaoamini mungu na creation hili.

Ninavyosema blah blah za kibiblia zinajumiusha dini zote zinazoamini a personal omnipotent omniscient god, including Islam/ Quran na Judaism / Torah. Kwanza wote mme plagiarize huko huko kumoja kwa wababiloni na Wamisri wa kale, wayahudi wakaibia story za flood na kuzaliwa kwa Musa, wakristo wakaibia vitabu vya wayahudi na ku plagiarize ancient egyptian books kwenye hbri ya yesu kuzaliwa na malkia, waislam ndio kabisa wamekuja juzi tu hapa 600 AD Muhammad akaona kwa nini wayahudi na wakristo wana vitabu na sisi hatuna, alikuwa hata kuandika na kusoma hajui.Ndiyo maana kitabu chenyewe kimejaa inconsistencies.

The Quran is even worse than the bible in that it actually acknowledge inconistencies and tell you to stick with the later word.

Word of god indeed. Ina maana huyu mungu hakuwa na sense hata ya ku iron out inconsistencies hizi?

Hata huyo Euclid alivyotoa axioms zake za geometry angalau alijitahidi ziweze ku describe kitu kilicho logically consistent, huyu mungu ambaye kashindwa na watu kama kina Euclid mungu gani huyu?

 

[Kiranga]

Swali umejibu wapi mbona unajitia ubazazi wa bure...? Hiyo evolution ya bacteria ina uhusiano gani na wanyama wengine? Nani asiyejuwa kuwa many of them can assume a new form every day, and their numbers can reach thousands in a matter of minutes. Yaani ndio umeona wa kuwatolea mfano!?

Majibu yote nilishayatoa juu, umuhimu wa kuonyesha evolution katika bacteria nilishauelezea hapo juu, link ya bacteria na large animals nilishaionyesha hapo juu.Narudia either huwezi kuelewa au unaendekeza unazi.

Nitarudia tena yote niliyoyasema in summary in case kuna mtu hajaona hapo juu.

1.Niliombwa kuonyesha evolution in action in the last 1,000 years na Waberoya.

2. Nikasema ni vigumu kuonyesha evolution in large scale animals in the last 1,000 years, kwa sababu evolution katika level hii inakwenda kwa geological timescales (billions of years) kufanya hivyo ni sawa sawa na kutaka kuprove nywele zinakua kwa kupima by units of growth by centimeters per seconds, au kutaka kuhakikisha kwamba the world is round kwa kupima backyard yako.Nikaongelea issue ya scale, kama unataka kuangalia evolution in large animals tafuta ushahidi wa mabilioni ya miaka. Nikalinganisha scale/ speed ya evolution na scale/ speed ya continental drift, huwezi kupima continental drif kwa kusimama ufukweni na kuangalia kama continent lina move within five seconds, tiescale yako itakuwa ridiculous.

Tatizo naweza kuwa natoa analogy ya evolution na continental drift kwa watu ambao hata hawaelewi continental drift ni nini. Seriously, I am not even trying to be condescending, eventhough at this point even if I will be I will have the right to act so.

Sasa ndipo tukaingia kwenye scale ambayo inaweza kuwa observable within 50 years, ndipo nikaongelea historia nzima ya kugunduliwa antibiotics hususan penicillin, na jinsi gani bacteria wameweza ku develop natural resistance kwa haya madawa, nikaongelea Denmark mpaka wamepiga marufuku kuipa mifugo antibiotics by default kwa sababu hawataki kuingiza midawa hii kwenye population.

Kuna watu hawataki ku deal na issues intellectually, wanataka kukataa tu kw mfano bila ku dispute the details of bacterial resistance to drugs, kwa sababu hawana data.

Ona mambo hapa

http://www.detectingdesign.com/antibioticresistance.html

The antibiotic age was ushered in with the accidental discovery of penicillin by Alexander Fleming (1881-1955) in 1928. Even though it was over ten years before mass production of penicillin was achieved, a new era had arrived. Antibiotics proved to be wonder drugs in that they killed infection by bacteria without significantly harming the host, if at all. This was a first in medicine. Never before had nature and sickness seemed so much within the control mankind.

The euphoria was short lived however. Shortly after the general usage of antibiotics began the microscopic world revealed its genius for becoming resistant to antibiotics. It truly seemed like a fulfillment of Darwin’s prophetic vision and the firm establishment of his Theory of Evolution as unshakable. Today, Darwin’s Theory of Evolution seems more validated than ever by these little creatures. The early advances made by antibiotic and antiviral medications seem to be almost completely overcome by the continued evolution of antibiotic and antiviral resistance. So called “Superbugs” are springing up everywhere that are resistant to every antibiotic or antiviral currently known to man. Evolution seems not only to be a wonderful, but also a terrible reality. But is it all really as it seems?

Bacteria become resistant to antibiotics by a very simple method of natural selection. When a large number of bacteria are presented for the first time with an antibiotic, most, if not all of them, die off. If all of them die, then obviously no resistance is gained for that particular bacterial colony or group. The problem is that sometimes one or two or even a few bacteria survive the initial exposure. This is because they were previously resistant before exposure to the antibiotic. Of course, after they survive the initial exposure they reproduce themselves and make a new colony of bacteria. Now, every bacterium in that colony is a clone of the original resistant bacterium and so all of them are resistant to that particular antibiotic to the same degree. But how did the first one or two resistant bacteria survive to pass on their evolved resistance to their offspring?



There are three main targets that antibiotics attack:

· Bacterial protein synthesis

· Bacterial nucleic acid replication and repair

· Cell wall biosynthesis enzymes and substrates



So, intuitively there are also three basic mechanisms of bacterial antibiotic resistance:



· Alteration of the antibiotic target

· Restriction of antibiotic access to the target

· Direct inactivation of the antibiotic



Obviously then, if a bacterium can achieve any of these three blocks to the activity of an antibiotic, it is resistant to that antibiotic. If this ability is due to a genetic alteration, then this alteration will be passed on to each and everyone of its offspring since bacteria reproduce in a clonal fashion. In short, this is evolution in action.

 

[X-PASTER]

Usitake kuwaachia wenzako kazi, goma lenu wote mnaoamini mungu na creation hili.

Ninavyosema blah blah za kibiblia zinajumiusha dini zote zinazoamini a personal omnipotent omniscient god, including Islam/ Quran na Judaism / Torah. Kwanza wote mme plagiarize huko huko kumoja kwa wababiloni na Wamisri wa kale, wayahudi wakaibia story za flood na kuzaliwa kwa Musa, wakristo wakaibia vitabu vya wayahudi na ku plagiarize ancient egyptian books kwenye hbri ya yesu kuzaliwa na malkia, waislam ndio kabisa wamekuja juzi tu hapa 600 AD Muhammad akaona kwa nini wayahudi na wakristo wana vitabu na sisi hatuna, alikuwa hata kuandika na kusoma hajui.Ndiyo maana kitabu chenyewe kimejaa inconsistencies.

The Quran is even worse than the bible in that it actually acknowledge inconistencies and tell you to stick with the later word.

Word of god indeed. Ina maana huyu mungu hakuwa na sense hata ya ku iron out inconsistencies hizi?

Hata huyo Euclid alivyotoa axioms zake za geometry angalau alijitahidi ziweze ku describe kitu kilicho logically consistent, huyu mungu ambaye kashindwa na watu kama kina Euclid mungu gani huyu?

Tuletee mifano basi na si blah blah kuwa QUR'AN ndio ivyo unavyo dai!

 

[MaxShimba]

Acha unazi, jibu maswali, kama Genesis ni kitabu cha mungu mbona kuna contradictions hizi?

The two contradictory creation accounts

Genesis 1:25-27
(Humans were created after the other animals.)

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image

Halafu ona inavyojicontradict hapa

Genesis 2:18-19
(Humans were created before the other animals.)

And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Where is the contradicton?

How long did it take to create the heavens and the earth?

One day

Show me, how did you come with ONE DAY?

Gen.2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

Ona hapa unapewa story tofauti

Rudi shule ukajifunze kusoma. IN THE DAY THAT THE LORD haimaanishi aliuumba kwa siku moja?
BIBLIA inasema siku ile BWANA Mungu alipoziumba mbingu na nchi.

Swali kwako: SIKU ILE NI IPI?

Gen.1:3 - 2:3
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. ... And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
...

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Were plants created before or after humans?

Plants were created before humans.

Acha uvivu weye. Read Genesis Chapter one.

Genesis 1:11-13, 27-31
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so .... And the evening and the morning were the third day.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them .... And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Contradiction

Plants were created after humans.

Ni upumbavu kumfundisha huyu jamaa. Plants were created the THIRD DAY, ADAM THE SIXTH DAY yeye anasema eti siku ya sita ni kabla ya siku ya TATU.

JF imevamiwa na watu wa ajabu kwer kwer. Hata kusoma tu hawawezi. lol

Genesis 2:4-7
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth ... And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground.

It goes on and on like that. I mean If I was an omnipotent omniscient being inspiring Moses to write my story (even if I was not whispering to Moses, just inspiring him) would'nt you think I would inspire some more consistency in there?

All I see is some uninspired ancient Jewish mythology.If this is the best god can do then he needs somecoaching, maybe I can be god's god in the literary criticism department.

Poor thinking and reasoning.

I need a better person.

I don't see any contradiction, zaidi ya huyu jamaa kuonyesha upungufu wa kuelewa kwa hali ya juu.

 

[Kiranga]

Tuletee mifano basi na si blah blah kuwa QUR'AN ndio ivyo unavyo dai!

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SKM/contradictions.htm

Prepared by: Syed Kamran Mirza

Special Note: Quranic ayats are taken mostly from translated Quran by Maulana A. Yousuf Ali and Maulana Muhiuddin Khan.


Numerical contradictions
There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. Can God make so much error in doing simple calculations?

How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth ?

Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated-

Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

Now do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days

Similar mistakes you can see in the verse: Quran 4: 11 - 12, and Quran 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parties adds up more than the available property, i.e., totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come ? A gross mathematical errors, is not it ?

Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?

Quran 22: 47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousands years of your rekoning

Quran 70: 4 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years.

So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?

Creation of the Heaven and Earth
Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heaven was created first.

Quran 2: 29 It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

Quran 79: 27 - 30 Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth

Now, does it match modern science? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, after that, God created Heaven? Modern science tells us that? Or How come SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing Sky is no “roof” over us. It is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of ROOF over us which is called SKY, is it not so? How funny!

Sun-set and Sun-rise
Koran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:

Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…

Quran 18: 90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.

Serious scientific errors here! Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never go down in a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away”. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises.

A resting place for Sun!?
Quran 36: 38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
Quran 36: 39 And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf.
Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.

Allah is indeed a big scientist. Where is sun and where is moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other? Are the sun and the moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (bare eye observations) sun and moon traveling from east to west seemingly in the same Sky area or same path, without colliding, causing day and night etc. Allah hardly could imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’s rotation and NOT by Sun’s rotation. Sun is stationary for Earth, because earth is stuck in the sun’s Gravity, like we are stuck in earth’s gravity. Allah never says any where in the whole Quran that, EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel earth’s rotation.

A resting place for sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS?

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421
Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after setting where does Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle can say better. Then Prophet (SA) replied, “After setting, the sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon Earth”.

Can anybody tell me what is it? It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A 10-year-old boy would not tell such fairy tale story today.

Why Allah Created Stars!
Quran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils:

Quran 67: 5 And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans…

Quran 37: 6-8 We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.

Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness.

Is Sky/Heaven A ROOF or Canopy Over the Earth?
Quran 21: 32 And We have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents.

Quran 31: 10 He hath created the heavens (Skies) without supports (pillars) that ye can see, and hath cast into the earth firm Mountains/Hills, so that it quake not with you; and He hath dispersed…

Quran 2: 22: Who has made the earth your couch, And the heavens (Sky) your canopy

Modern science tells us- whole thing around the earth is space and there is no boundary even if we go Billions of light years away in all directions. Questions are: When there is no sky above us then how in the world, it needs pillars for support? Do we really have a roof above us? Is there a canopy above the Earth? Is there anything called above or beneath us? Are mountains there to prevent Earth from shaking? Give me a break!

Once again Allah considered sky as roof over the Earth, which will broke/shattered during dooms day

Quran 78: 19 And the heavens (sky) Shall be broken (opened) as if there were doors opens…

Quran 82: 1 When the Sky is cleft asunder

Quran 69: 16 And the sky will be Rent asunder, for it will That day be flimsy (soft)

Quran 81: 2 When the stars fall, losing their luster.

Yousuf Ali comments in his Tafsir: beautiful blue-sky overhead (which we take for granted in sunshine) will be shattered to pieces. Modern science tells us that there is no such thing as roof/sky or any canopy over the Earth; rather all around Earth is a limitless space. Only Allah knows what will break/shatter or will get soft/flimsy or how doors will open , there is no walls, where from doors will come? In some Ayats Allah threatened kafirs by saying: “I (Allah) will throw broken pieces of sky over your head.”

Does Sun Rotate Around the Earth?
Quran 31: 29 Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the sun and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed.

Quran 21: 33 It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own course.

Ayats mentioned above could be found over and over again and again almost in every pages of Quran. Because, Allah standing in the open Arab desert saw very well that, every morning SUN is rising from the East and gradually (appointed time or fixed time) setting to the West, and as a result, day and night follows. Allah truly mentioned this wrong knowledge (sun moving) of pre-historic people. Every time Allah mentioned Sun & Moon, He mentioned day & night, as if it is due to sun’s movement day and night follows. But surprisingly, all the hypocrite Mullahs giving false credit to Allah by saying: look Quran told about sun’s movement 1400 years ago which modern science only found out now. In real world, sun takes 225 millions of years to make just one complete circle through the solar Universe. And obviously this movement of sun has nothing to do with DAY & NIGHT of the earth. Actually, Sun is stationary in relation to the Earth, because the Earth is stuck to the giant gravitation force of the Sun, and the Earth also moves along with the Sun wherever it goes, just the way we are stuck to the Earth’s gravitation force and do not feel its movement at all.

Why then, Allah was telling the Sun’s movement again and again. I have already mentioned above, why Allah was hysteric about the Sun’s movements. Now dishonest Mullahs are claiming science here. I wonder, why Allah has to mentioned about the Sun’s 225 millions year journey (which is even unimaginable to mankind) to tell about day and night? What relation Sun’s movement has with the day and night?

Does Earth Spread Out Like Carpet (flat)?
Quran 15: 19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon Mountains firm and immovable;

Quran 78: 6-7 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)?

Allah was sure that earth is flat like a carpet and mountains are there to anchor the earth so that earth does not shake with us. Allah is really merciful scientist.

Is Man Created From Clotted Blood?
Quran-23:14: Then fashioned We the drop (semen) a CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD then fashioned We the Clot a little lump (foetus), fashioned We the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators. ( Bengali translated Quran said: “Zamaa’t Raokto theeke Manoosh banieesi” And this Ayat has been repeated again and again throughout the Quran ) Quran-75:38: Then he becomes a CLOT; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned…

Quran 96: 2 Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood

There are serious scientific problems here:

Blood clot cannot grow into anything. This idea also came from the Greek. Aristotle erroneously believed that, humans are originated from the action of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an incorrect assumption. Quran’s assertion on Clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the embryo consists of a clot. The only situation in which an embryo might appear like a clot is during a miscarriage, in which case the clotted blood that is seen to emerge (much of which comes from mother) is solidified and by definition no longer alive. Therefore, if ever an embryo appeared to look like a clot it would never develop any further into a human; it would be a dead mass of bloody miscarrying flesh. Since Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had some thirteen wives it is entirely possible that he would be very familiar with miscarriages.

Modern science tells us that, the formation of human embryo is a seamless continuation from conception to birth; hence there are no hard- and- fast boundaries of stages as Quran describes. Quran describes 4 stages, which matches exactly with Galenic description of development of human embryo (which was proved wrong by modern science).

Creation of bones and clothing of bones with flesh: According to modern embryologists including Prof. Moore, the tissue from which bone originates, known as mesoderm, is the same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and muscles begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the Quran is telling us). Moreover, most of the muscle tissue that we humans have is laid down before birth, but bones continue to develop and calcify (strengthen with calcium) right into one’s teenage years. So it would be more accurate if the Quran had said that muscles started to develop at the same time as bones, but completed their development earlier. The idea that bones are clothed with flesh is not only scientifically completely wrong/false, but was directly copied from the ancient Greek doctor Galen’s hypothesis.

Also, the idea of saying: “made into bones and clothed the bones with muscle” came from the technique of making animal statue out of rod and cement or mud. People usually make the skeleton (out of rod or stick) first and, then cover it up with cement or mud. This is scarcely a scientific description of embryonic development. It is rather a description of an unlettered man.

Is Religion Compulsive Or Is It Not?
Quran 02: 256 There is no Compulsion in religion….

OR

Quran 9: 29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith(Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.

Quran 9: 5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush….

Quran 47: 4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads….

Quran 2: 191 And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

Quran 8: 65 O Apostle ! rouse the believers to the fight of….unbelievers.

Very often apologetics claim that, Islam is a religion of peace and there is no compulsion. Yet punishment of an apostate in Islam is, of course, death penalty.

In very many Ayats Allah claimed that, He has given this Quran in the easy and clear language so that, it will not be difficult to understand by the ordinary Arabs.

Quran 44: 58 Verily, We have made This Quran easy in the tongue, in order that they may give heed.

No matter which translated Quran we read, the Quranic materials remain the same to us and every sentence is self explanatory and it does not take a rocket scientist to comprehend what is the message Allah wanted to transmit for Arabs. Yet, bigot Mullahs will always blame translators for Quranic contradictions/errors/inconsistencies etc. and will try to find lame excuses to cover up Allah’s ignorance.

Comments:
The Holy Qur’an is full of inaccuracies, contradictions, inconsistencies, redundancies, no chronology or chapters, grammatical errors, etc. One can find hundreds of contradictions/errors/inconsistencies in the Holy Quran. The above-mentioned Ayats are just selected samples from the Quran. But still it is a miracle to those who are blindfolded bigots.

 

[X-PASTER]

Nimeshakwambia kuwa evolution ya bakteria hivyo ndivyo walivyo umbwa, wanabadirika kila dakika iyendayo na wameumbwa ivyo ivyo walivyo na wana huwezo wa ku'adapt mazingira waliyokuwa nayo wakati huo... Na wala si kigezo cha wewe kuwaelezea kama ndio mfano hai wa evolution.

Tupatie mfano wa viumbe vyenye kuonekana with naked eyes na si vijidudu kutoka microworld.

 

[MaxShimba]

Msaada wa bure kwa evolutionist:

Leteni exhibit showing gorilas who were cought between and/or who were in the transitioning during evolution to become humans.

zaidi ya hapo, I need exhibit showing the beginning and/or origin of life. How did life began.

and

Show me how life emerge from non living matter? Tumia takataka za evolution yako.

and

Show me how was the first living molecule formed? Again tumia uchafu wa evolution yako.

Now use evolution ya Marehemu darwin kunijbu.

 

[Kiranga]

Nimeshakwambia kuwa evolution ya bakteria hivyo ndivyo walivyo umbwa, wanabadirika kila dakika iyendayo na wameumbwa ivyo ivyo walivyo na wana huwezo wa ku'adapt mazingira waliyokuwa nayo wakati huo... Na wala si kigezo cha wewe kuwaelezea kama ndio mfano hai wa evolution.

Tupatie mfano wa viumbe vyenye kuonekana with naked eyes na si vijidudu kutoka microworld.

Kwa hiyo unakubali evolution ipo, ila una spin kwamba evolution imeumbwa, pole pole unakuja.

Nimekueleza kuhusu geological timescales zinazotakiwa katika large scale animals ili uweze kuona evolution, unaleta ubishi tu. Post # 78 nimekuuliza kuhusu moth, obviously husomi posts zangu na unleta ubishi tu, ungekuwa unasoma usingeuliza nikuletee ushahidi wa evolution katika viumbe vinavyoweza kuonekana kwa macho. Unajionyesha unavyoendeshwa na ushabiki zaidi ya kutafuta ukweli.

Umeona mi inconsistencies na uongo wa Qurani hapo juu? Si uliomba nikuletee?

Clearly mtu yeyote anayeangalia reason bila prejudice na woga wa dini ataona kuwa hizi dini zilikuwa ni blah blah za watu wa kale ambao hawakujua hata kama dunia ni ya mviringo.

Jibu hoja kwa hoja.

 

[MaxShimba]

Msaada wa bure kwa evolutionist:

Leteni exhibit showing gorilas who were cought between and/or who were in the transitioning during evolution to become humans.

zaidi ya hapo, I need exhibit showing the beginning and/or origin of life. How did life began.

and

Show me how life emerge from non living matter? Tumia takataka za evolution yako.

and

Show me how was the first living molecule formed? Again tumia uchafu wa evolution yako.

Now use evolution ya Marehemu darwin kunijbu.

Kwa hiyo unakubali evolution ipo, ila una spin kwamba evolution imeumbwa, pole pole unakuja.

Nimekueleza kuhusu geological timescales zinazotakiwa katika large scale animals ili uweze kuona evolution, unaleta ubishi tu.

Umeona mi inconsistencies na uongo wa Qurani hapo juu? Si uliomba nikuletee? Jibu hoja kwa hoja.

Jibu maswali hayo hapo juu. Hakuna evolution.

 

[X-PASTER]

Kama uliweza kusoma hayo uliya'copy na ku'paste basi huwe na muda na kuyasoma haya hapa chini:

Dear Brother/Sister;

Say: Is it that ye Deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds. (Fussilat 9)

He set on the (earth) mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (sustenance). (Fussilat 10)

So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of knowledge. (Fussilat 12)

When God Almighty willed to create the universe, He produced an indefinite amount of energy by showing His endless power; that energy condensed in time and turned to gas. Then it condensed again and turned to its present solid state. The earth formed in two geological eras and then the sources there were determined; it reached its present state by forming in four geological periods eras based on the plan. The word yawm (day) in the verse means a long period whose beginning and end is not definitely known (...) The skies formed seven layers together with the earth in seven long periods. They were all in the state of gas. It took them two periods to concentrate and solidify.

According to the analysis of the first sentence, the meaning is He created the earth in two days. When the earth was created, there was no “day” in the sense we know yet; so, day means time, that is, in two periods; Allah knows the best. One of them is the day when the sky was separated from the earth as it is stated in this verse: " Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder? " (al-Anbiya, 21/30), and the other is when the crust of the earth was started to be placed in the form of a cream layer as it is stated in this verse: “And it is He Who spread out the earth." (ar-Ra'd, 13/3). According to the second analysis, the meaning is He created the earth in two days. In this case, it is not mentioned in how many days the earth was created but its state in two days after it was created is mentioned; it means the two solstices that divide the year into two. The earth was created in a form to cycle between those two periods.

He pressed onto it; the mountains nail the crust of the earth to its base. That "waw" is used for the beginning; it does not refer to the verb because there is an interval. He brought about abundance in it. He produced good things, and sources of abundance like water sources, mines plants and animals with their power to be born and die. He ordained their sustenance in it; that is, He determined the amounts of rain and other things that plants and animals needed in order to live and arranged them in the form of earth. He did all of them in four days. Including the previous two, it is four days; there are two meanings in it like the others. One is the creation of the mines and the mountains; the other is the creation of the plants and animals, which amounts to four with the previous two. The other is the state, which shows the four seasons; thus, the previous two are included here. In my opinion, this meaning here is more in the foreground and more appropriate in terms of the coherence of the expression. The bounties and sustenance of the earth grow in the four seasons every year. Their number, amount and shape form in them; therefore, attributing them to the verbs may express the same meaning. Then, in terms of that meaning, this sentence becomes clear: four days equally for all researchers because all of the sustenance of those that seek sustenance grows in those four seasons; even if the sustenance is not equal, the days are equal. The number of the four seasons for each of them is four. It may be thought to mean those who ask about it.

Then, the skies are dealt with and it is stated that they were completed to seven strong skies in two days. One of those two days is for the creation of matter and the other is for the formation of things, which form the two days of the six days stated in the chapter al-Araf. Or, one of them is before the creation of the earth and the other is after. The creation of some celestial bodies like the moon, Venus, Mercury, etc is after the creation of the earth.

In my opinion, it is probable that one of those two days is the world and the other is the hereafter. He made them strong and completed them. He gave each sky the command related to them in the form of revelation. He gave the angels in each sky the command of the events to take place there, which is included in the completion. Since the evidence of the power of the Creator has become manifest and appeared in the creation and completion of them, the subject of the sentence is transformed into the first person singular from the third person singular, and the following is stated: " We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars." (as-Saffat, 37/6) . And we have protected them. The devils cannot approach them. It is the determination of Allah, al-Aziz (the Mighty and Strong) and al-Alim (the Knower of All).

Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then He established Himself on the Throne (of authority) … (al-Araf, 54)

An example of the harmony between the Quran and modern science is the issue of the age of the universe: Cosmologists calculated the age of the universe to be 16-17 billion years. It is stated in the Quran that the whole universe was created in 6 days. There is a surprising harmony between those figures that seem different at first sight. As a matter of fact, both of those figures related to the age of the universe are correct. That is, the universe was created in 6 days as it is stated in the Quran, and that period corresponds to 16-17 billion years in our perception of the time.

In 1915, Einstein put forward that time was relative and that the flow coefficient of time changed based on the place, the speed of the traveling person and the force of gravity at that time. It is seen that the duration of the creation of the universe stated in 7 different verses of the Quran is greatly parallel to the calculations of the scientists when the differences in the flow coefficient of time is considered. We can consider the 6 days mentioned in the Quran as 6 periods. When the relativity of time is taken into consideration, “day” expresses the 24-hour period only as perceived in the world under the circumstances of today. However, in a different place of the universe, at a different time and under a different condition, “day” is a much longer period of time. As a matter of fact, the word ayyam (days) in the phrase “6 days” (sittati ayyamin) also means era, period, duration apart from meaning days in the following verses: (as-Sajda, 4; Yunus, 3; Hud, 7; al-Furqan, 59; al-Hadid, 4; Qaf, 38; al-Araf, 54).

In the first periods of the universe, time flowed. Much faster than the pace that we are used to today. The reason is this: during the Big Bang, the universe had been condensed into a very small point. The expansion of the universe since that big bang and the tension in the volume of the universe expanded the borders of the universe to billions of light years away. As a matter of fact, the fact that the space has been tensioning since Big Bang has played an important role on the time of the universe.

The energy during the moment of Big Bang slowed down the flow of the time of the universe million by million times (1012). When the universe was created, the flow coefficient of the time of the universe, as it is perceived today, was a trillion times bigger, that is time flowed faster. Thus, during the time when we live a trillion minutes in the world, only one minute passes in terms of the time of the universe.

When the period of 6 days is calculated by taking the relativity of time into consideration, it corresponds to 6 trillion. It is because the time of the universe flows a trillion times faster than that of the world. The number of years corresponding to 6 trillion days is about 16,427 billion. That figure falls into the interval of the estimated age of the universe.

6.000.000.000.000 days / 365,25 = 16.427.104.723 years

On the other hand, each one of the 6 days of the creation corresponds to different time periods from one another – in terms of our perception of time. It is because of the fact that the flow coefficient of time decreases inversely proportional to the expansion of the universe. Every time the size of the universe doubled since Big Bang, the flow coefficient of time decreased in half. As the universe got bigger, the doubling speed of the universe slowed down increasingly. That expansion rate is a scientific reality that is explained in the textbooks “the Fundamentals of Physical Cosmology” and that is widely known all over the world. When we calculate each day of the creation in terms of the time of the world, the following state appears:

* When the moment that time started is taken into consideration, the 1st day (1st period) of the creation lasted 24 hours. However, that period corresponds to 8 billion years to the time as we perceive in the world.

* The 2nd day (2nd period) lasted 24 hours. However, that period lasted half as much as the 1st day, that is 4 billion years in terms of the time we perceive in the world.

* The 3rd day (3rd period) lasted half as much as the 2nd day, that is, 2 billion years.

* The 4th day (4th period) lasted 1 billion year.

* The 5th day (5th period) lasted 500 billion years.

* And the 6th day (6th period) lasted 250 billion years.

* Conclusion: The 6 days, that is, the 6 periods, of the creation lasted 15 billion 750 million years when they are added in terms of the time of the world. That figure is close to the estimations of today.

That conclusion is the reality found out by the science of the 21st century. Science has once again approved the truth expressed by the Quran 1400 years ago. That harmony between the Quran and science miraculously proves that the Quran is the revelation of Allah, Who knows everything and created everything.

 

[Kiranga]

Kama uliweza kusoma hayo uliya'copy na ku'paste basi huwe na muda na kuyasoma haya hapa chini:

Dear Brother/Sister;

Say: Is it that ye Deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds. (Fussilat 9)

He set on the (earth) mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four Days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (sustenance). (Fussilat 10)

So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of knowledge. (Fussilat 12)

When God Almighty willed to create the universe, He produced an indefinite amount of energy by showing His endless power; that energy condensed in time and turned to gas. Then it condensed again and turned to its present solid state. The earth formed in two geological eras and then the sources there were determined; it reached its present state by forming in four geological periods eras based on the plan. The word yawm (day) in the verse means a long period whose beginning and end is not definitely known (...) The skies formed seven layers together with the earth in seven long periods. They were all in the state of gas. It took them two periods to concentrate and solidify.

According to the analysis of the first sentence, the meaning is He created the earth in two days. When the earth was created, there was no "day" in the sense we know yet; so, day means time, that is, in two periods; Allah knows the best. One of them is the day when the sky was separated from the earth as it is stated in this verse: " Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder? " (al-Anbiya, 21/30), and the other is when the crust of the earth was started to be placed in the form of a cream layer as it is stated in this verse: "And it is He Who spread out the earth." (ar-Ra'd, 13/3). According to the second analysis, the meaning is He created the earth in two days. In this case, it is not mentioned in how many days the earth was created but its state in two days after it was created is mentioned; it means the two solstices that divide the year into two. The earth was created in a form to cycle between those two periods.

He pressed onto it; the mountains nail the crust of the earth to its base. That "waw" is used for the beginning; it does not refer to the verb because there is an interval. He brought about abundance in it. He produced good things, and sources of abundance like water sources, mines plants and animals with their power to be born and die. He ordained their sustenance in it; that is, He determined the amounts of rain and other things that plants and animals needed in order to live and arranged them in the form of earth. He did all of them in four days. Including the previous two, it is four days; there are two meanings in it like the others. One is the creation of the mines and the mountains; the other is the creation of the plants and animals, which amounts to four with the previous two. The other is the state, which shows the four seasons; thus, the previous two are included here. In my opinion, this meaning here is more in the foreground and more appropriate in terms of the coherence of the expression. The bounties and sustenance of the earth grow in the four seasons every year. Their number, amount and shape form in them; therefore, attributing them to the verbs may express the same meaning. Then, in terms of that meaning, this sentence becomes clear: four days equally for all researchers because all of the sustenance of those that seek sustenance grows in those four seasons; even if the sustenance is not equal, the days are equal. The number of the four seasons for each of them is four. It may be thought to mean those who ask about it.

Then, the skies are dealt with and it is stated that they were completed to seven strong skies in two days. One of those two days is for the creation of matter and the other is for the formation of things, which form the two days of the six days stated in the chapter al-Araf. Or, one of them is before the creation of the earth and the other is after. The creation of some celestial bodies like the moon, Venus, Mercury, etc is after the creation of the earth.

In my opinion, it is probable that one of those two days is the world and the other is the hereafter. He made them strong and completed them. He gave each sky the command related to them in the form of revelation. He gave the angels in each sky the command of the events to take place there, which is included in the completion. Since the evidence of the power of the Creator has become manifest and appeared in the creation and completion of them, the subject of the sentence is transformed into the first person singular from the third person singular, and the following is stated: " We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars." (as-Saffat, 37/6) . And we have protected them. The devils cannot approach them. It is the determination of Allah, al-Aziz (the Mighty and Strong) and al-Alim (the Knower of All).

Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then He established Himself on the Throne (of authority) … (al-Araf, 54)

An example of the harmony between the Quran and modern science is the issue of the age of the universe: Cosmologists calculated the age of the universe to be 16-17 billion years. It is stated in the Quran that the whole universe was created in 6 days. There is a surprising harmony between those figures that seem different at first sight. As a matter of fact, both of those figures related to the age of the universe are correct. That is, the universe was created in 6 days as it is stated in the Quran, and that period corresponds to 16-17 billion years in our perception of the time.

In 1915, Einstein put forward that time was relative and that the flow coefficient of time changed based on the place, the speed of the traveling person and the force of gravity at that time. It is seen that the duration of the creation of the universe stated in 7 different verses of the Quran is greatly parallel to the calculations of the scientists when the differences in the flow coefficient of time is considered. We can consider the 6 days mentioned in the Quran as 6 periods. When the relativity of time is taken into consideration, "day" expresses the 24-hour period only as perceived in the world under the circumstances of today. However, in a different place of the universe, at a different time and under a different condition, "day" is a much longer period of time. As a matter of fact, the word ayyam (days) in the phrase "6 days" (sittati ayyamin) also means era, period, duration apart from meaning days in the following verses: (as-Sajda, 4; Yunus, 3; Hud, 7; al-Furqan, 59; al-Hadid, 4; Qaf, 38; al-Araf, 54).

In the first periods of the universe, time flowed. Much faster than the pace that we are used to today. The reason is this: during the Big Bang, the universe had been condensed into a very small point. The expansion of the universe since that big bang and the tension in the volume of the universe expanded the borders of the universe to billions of light years away. As a matter of fact, the fact that the space has been tensioning since Big Bang has played an important role on the time of the universe.

The energy during the moment of Big Bang slowed down the flow of the time of the universe million by million times (1012). When the universe was created, the flow coefficient of the time of the universe, as it is perceived today, was a trillion times bigger, that is time flowed faster. Thus, during the time when we live a trillion minutes in the world, only one minute passes in terms of the time of the universe.

When the period of 6 days is calculated by taking the relativity of time into consideration, it corresponds to 6 trillion. It is because the time of the universe flows a trillion times faster than that of the world. The number of years corresponding to 6 trillion days is about 16,427 billion. That figure falls into the interval of the estimated age of the universe.

6.000.000.000.000 days / 365,25 = 16.427.104.723 years

On the other hand, each one of the 6 days of the creation corresponds to different time periods from one another – in terms of our perception of time. It is because of the fact that the flow coefficient of time decreases inversely proportional to the expansion of the universe. Every time the size of the universe doubled since Big Bang, the flow coefficient of time decreased in half. As the universe got bigger, the doubling speed of the universe slowed down increasingly. That expansion rate is a scientific reality that is explained in the textbooks "the Fundamentals of Physical Cosmology" and that is widely known all over the world. When we calculate each day of the creation in terms of the time of the world, the following state appears:

* When the moment that time started is taken into consideration, the 1st day (1st period) of the creation lasted 24 hours. However, that period corresponds to 8 billion years to the time as we perceive in the world.

* The 2nd day (2nd period) lasted 24 hours. However, that period lasted half as much as the 1st day, that is 4 billion years in terms of the time we perceive in the world.

* The 3rd day (3rd period) lasted half as much as the 2nd day, that is, 2 billion years.

* The 4th day (4th period) lasted 1 billion year.

* The 5th day (5th period) lasted 500 billion years.

* And the 6th day (6th period) lasted 250 billion years.

* Conclusion: The 6 days, that is, the 6 periods, of the creation lasted 15 billion 750 million years when they are added in terms of the time of the world. That figure is close to the estimations of today.

That conclusion is the reality found out by the science of the 21st century. Science has once again approved the truth expressed by the Quran 1400 years ago. That harmony between the Quran and science miraculously proves that the Quran is the revelation of Allah, Who knows everything and created everything.

Unaamini dunia ni flat na jua linazama kwenye matope kama ilivyoandikwa katika Quran?

Mbona some of these embarassing mythologies zilizokuwa pointed out hukuzigusa kabisa?

 

[X-PASTER]

Kwa hiyo unakubali evolution ipo, ila una spin kwamba evolution imeumbwa, pole pole unakuja.

Nimekueleza kuhusu geological timescales zinazotakiwa katika large scale animals ili uweze kuona evolution, unaleta ubishi tu. Post # 78 nimekuuliza kuhusu moth, obviously husomi posts zangu na unleta ubishi tu, ungekuwa unasoma usingeuliza nikuletee ushahidi wa evolution katika viumbe vinavyoweza kuonekana kwa macho. Unajionyesha unavyoendeshwa na ushabiki zaidi ya kutafuta ukweli.

Umeona mi inconsistencies na uongo wa Qurani hapo juu? Si uliomba nikuletee?

Clearly mtu yeyote anayeangalia reason bila prejudice na woga wa dini ataona kuwa hizi dini zilikuwa ni blah blah za watu wa kale ambao hawakujua hata kama dunia ni ya mviringo.

Jibu hoja kwa hoja.

Mi nadhani wewe ndio usiyesoma ninacho ki'post hapa au uhelewi nini nacho kiandika... Nilishakwambia kuwa bakteria ni wadudu wenye kubadilika kila dakika iendayo... na ndio maana nikakwambia bora ungetupa mifano kutoka kwenye wanyama wenye kuonekana with naked eyes... Narudia tena hakuna evolution as evolution unayotaka sisi tukubaliane na wewe... bakteria wameumbwa hivyo walivyo maisha yao ni kubadilika tangia siku ya kwanza walipo umbwa na M/Mungu. Sawa sawa na Virus, usije kuwaweka kwenye evolution yako... hayo ndio maumbile yao ya kubadirika badirika... hope utakuwa umenielewa... Hakuna kitu kinaitwa evolution kwa kiumbe yeyote yule...!