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Backlash to the Backlash: Finally, some Muslims are looking in the mirror.

Discussion in 'International Forum' started by Mzalendo JR, Sep 27, 2012.

  1. Mzalendo JR

    Mzalendo JR JF-Expert Member

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    On Monday, the Middle East Media Research Institute, or Memri, which tracks the Arab/Muslim press, translated a searing critique written by Imad al-Din Hussein, a columnist for Al Shorouk, Cairo's best daily newspaper:

    "We curse the West day and night, and criticize its [moral] disintegration and shamelessness, while relying on it for everything....

    We import, mostly from the West, cars, trains, planes ... refrigerators, and washing machines. ... We are a nation that contributes nothing to human civilization in the current era. ...

    We have become a burden on [other] nations. ...

    Had we truly implemented the essence of the directives of Islam and all [other] religions, we would have been at the forefront of the nations. The world will respect us when we return to being people who take part in human civilization, instead of [being] parasites who are spread out over the map of the advanced world, feeding off its production and later attacking it from morning until night. ...

    The West is not an oasis of idealism. It also contains exploitation in many areas. But at least it is not sunk in delusions, trivialities and external appearances, as we are. ...

    Therefore, supporting Islam and the prophet of the Muslims should be done through work, production, values, and culture, not by storming embassies and murdering diplomats."

    Read more: NYTimes.com


    My take: In blue colour is what most muslims ignore(Above).

    Another Part...! Continuation....

    Mohammad Taqi, a liberal Pakistani columnist, writing in the Lahore-based Daily Times on Sept. 20, argued that "there is absolutely no excuse for violence and indeed murder most foul, as committed in Benghazi. Fighting hate with hate is sure to beget more hate. The way out is drowning the odious voices with voices of sanity, not curbing free speech and calls for murder."

    Khaled al-Hroub, a professor at Cambridge University, writing in Jordan's Al Dustour newspaper on Sept. 17, translated by Memri, argued that the most "frightening aspect of what we see today in the streets of Arab and Islamic cities is the disaster of extremism that is flooding our societies and cultures, as well as our behavior. ... This [represents] a total atrophy of thought among wide sectors [of society], as a result of the culture of religious zealotry that was imposed on people for over 50 years, and which brought forth what we witness" today.

    The Egyptian comedian Bassem Youssef wrote in Al Shorouk, translated by Memri, on Sept. 23: "We demand that the world respect our feelings, yet we do not respect the feelings of others. We scream blue murder when they outlaw the niqab in some European country or prevent [Muslims] from building minarets in another [European] country - even though these countries continue to allow freedom of religion, as manifest in the building of mosques and in the preaching [activity] that takes place in their courtyards. Yet, in our countries, we do not allow others to publicly preach their beliefs. Maybe we should examine ourselves before [criticizing] others."

    Whenever I was asked during the Iraq war, "How will you know when we've won?" I gave the same answer: When Salman Rushdie can give a lecture in Baghdad; when there is real freedom of speech in the heart of the Arab Muslim world. There is no question that we need a respectful dialogue between Islam and the West, but, even more, we need a respectful dialogue between Muslims and Muslims. What matters is not what Arab Muslim political parties and groupings tell us they stand for. What matters is what they tell themselves, in their own languages, about what they stand for and what excesses they will not tolerate.

    This internal debate had long been stifled by Arab autocrats whose regimes traditionally suppressed extremist Islamist parties, but never really permitted their ideas to be countered with free speech - with independent, modernist, progressive interpretations of Islam or by truly legitimate, secular political parties and institutions. Are we seeing the start of that now with the emergence of free spaces and legitimate parties in the Arab world? Again, too early to say, but this moderate backlash to the extremist backlash is worth hailing - and watching.
     
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    Nyakipambo JF-Expert Member

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    Hawa jamaa hata wakisoma hapa hawawezi kukuelewa akili zao zimefungwa na shetani
     
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    A word from the Horse itself
     
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    usiseme hivo, sio wote arif we ni aje, na huyo mwandishi je? akili zake zimefungwa na shetani? watu wengine bana, argh
     
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    It is about time someone speaks the truth!
     
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    Finally! someone brave enough from the Islam is noticing some wrongdoings and dead end path, Time to end embracing evil acts which smears the true Islamic faiths and objectives.
     
  7. Saint Ivuga

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    huyo mwandishi ahame middle east manake watamuua hawaendi kuambiwa ukweli na hapa kawachana sio waislam tu wa middle east bali hapa hata waafrika kwa ujumla inawahusu tena sana
     
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    ukwli siku zote hujitenga na uwongo...jamaa wameanza kustukiana wao kwa wao..........
     
  9. Jay One

    Jay One JF-Expert Member

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    100%.... Best analysts duniani wanasema WHY ONLY MUSLIM WORLD ndio wana VITA wao kwa wao, many terrorists, many wanasoma still uneducated, kazi yao kuua, kujilipua,

    JIBU NI MOJA TU..... Dini....

    So plze mods iache this comments itawabadili wengi wanaotaka kuelewa, na mods msiniadhibu thinking this is religious HATRED, TRUTH IS THE TRUTH....

    be blessed
     
  10. Mzalendo JR

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    The history hunts them bro, ukifuatilia kuenea kwa dini hii ilikua ni kwa mtindo wa VITA. With one mind ya kuua kila aliekataa kuslim kwa kuwapa majina ya kifedhuli (Khafir). So kwa yeyote aliesoma na akawa mvivu wa kupambanua mambo basi kuua kwa ajili ya kutetea dini ni sawa na kutoa sadaka ya mwili.

    Tufikie wakati ukweli uwekwe wazi kwa kufuata misingi ya Dini yao ya amani, ila ni amani haitakuja kwa kuua ndugu na jamaa kisa ni dini tofauti, au ni muislamu ila wa dhehebu la SUNI au SHIA.
     
  11. Tungaraza Jr

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    Natamani walio na fikra potofu wapitie hapa kuona mitazamo ya wenzao katika dini moja, utofauti ni kujua nini maana ya dini yao na misingi pia. PEACE is nOt VIOLENCE
     
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    Honestly; What faith is there by the way?
     
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    Mods naomba mui-stick hii thread
     
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    Big man! i have been brought up within muslim family and half of my family are Muslims thanks God i had to understand the pillars of Islam. There are so so good, well mannered and very understanding muslims out there! forget about the brain washed ones from such evil thoughts of extremists.
     
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    Peope like you needs to stand out and propagate the good Islamic Pillars you are referring to, otherwise we are left to judge the bad side, if at all it is Islamic.
     
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    Umeongea point sana hapa. SASA ngoja aje Ally Kombo, Ritz, Zomba na wenzake namaanisha hawa ni wanafunzi wa Mohamed Said (propagator wa utenganifu wa kidini Tanzania, huyu mzee hapendi tukikaa pamoja bila kuchukiana kidini) watasema umetumwa, ila naomba uwasamehe
     
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    Unajua kingine cha kuzingatia hadi kinakuja kua na upotofu wa mawazo na fikra katika jamii nyingi japo si zote za kiislam ni ule umri wa concentration katika kuijua dini husika, mtoto wa miaka mitatu hajui kingine zaidi ya Dini na kikubwa cha kupotosha ni walimu wanaowafundisha ndio hupandikiza kilema katika akili zao. Mtoto katika umri huu ni very active na hushika na kuamini kila anachisimuliwa kwa kumuamini yule mwalimu wake.

    Hatari ni pale anapopata mwalimu mlango tofauti na misingi ya Kiislsmu ndio hapo anapokuja kutaka kua zaidi hata ya mwalimu wake wa madrasa. Dini hii naamini ni nzuri ila kuna wengi wamekosa kuitambua misingi au kupotoshwa kuhusu Uislamu na ndio unawasikia kila kukicha wanawaza kutoa miili yao sadaka kwa kua ndio wanachoamini tangu wakiwa na miaka mitano.

    Kama katika original thread inavyotoa maoni ya waislamu wanaoujua uislam vyema "Kuna sehemu/mahali uislamu unapindishwa" na hapo huwezi kumzuia mtu kukutafsiri tifauti na wewe unavyojitambua.
     
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    Nakubaliana nawe by 100% mkuu! Ikiwa mtoto amekuwa brainwashed tangu akiwa kinda na kukaririshwa kuwa: 'yule siyo mwenzetu, ni kafir; yule ni wa jehanam; yule ni adui wako daima ...' so unategemea output gani mtoto huyu akishakua mtu mzima?
     
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