Baba kwa binti aliyemzaa mwenyewe???

[Nyani Ngabu]

Kwa mujibu wa huu mjadala ulivyokwenda Kama kuna ukweli mwingi ndani yake.

Hebu ona anaepingana kakomalia kuwa the percentage is way too high tu na sio kuwa hamna kitu kama hicho mpa'a kakumbushwa!

Nsiande kachukizwa na kuchukizwa huko huenda kumepelekea kuchukua moja kati ya mengi yaliyosemwa na kukomalia hapo hapo. Hiyo mimi naelewa.

Lakini wewe mwenyewe hebu jiulize, hivi huna Wachaga unaowajua wewe? Kama ingekuwa widespread kama baadhi walivyoiweka hapa kwangu au pengine hata kwako isingekuwa ajabu. Mimi sijawahi sikia hii.

Na cases za incest nimeshazisikia kutoka watu wa makabila tofauti tofauti. This one here is new to me.

 

[Gaijin]

No napinga data and mada yenyewe.. Sio tu kuwa nimekumbushwa, no truth and facts no right to speak, that is msimamo wangu, u can all have ur own msimamo, just because someone in contributing to this thread is misleading, doesn't mean we all accept and start off with wrong data

Hatupo kuhukumiana hapa

Inaonyesha wengi wetu hapa hatupo katika position ya kupinga wala kuunga mkono hoja isipokuwa kwa maneno ya mtoto wa mkulima na wewe


Utetezi wako ndio uliowapa watu labda kuanza kuegemea kwa son of a peasant kwa kuwa umehoji idadi tu

Kwangu binafsi I don't care either way

 

[AMARIDONG]

sikiliza binti usijifanye una mzuka sana na uchaga wenye uchaga wao tupo hapa na tunaujua uchaga na mila zetu kuliko wewe,binti wa kwanza wa kikibosho lazima atembee na baba yake hiyo ni mila na hamna ubishi hapo,binti wa mwisho wa kimachame ni lazima atambee na baba yake ni lazima na ni mila yetu hamna ubishi kama hujui chunguza,mrombo yoyote mwenye uwezo wa kifedha kama mramba ,kavishe na wengine ni lazima awe na mtoto wa kike hata wa nje na ni lazima ale nae uroda kabla hajamjua mwanaume yeyote,pale uru baba lazima ambikiri mtoto wake wa kwanza wa kike,marangu sio lazima sana ila kuna wazee wengi ambao wanatembea na wake za watoto wao.ninafahamu wachaga na mimi ni mchaga hiyo asilimia moja ni ya wale waliobahatika kupata watoto wa kiume tuu ila pia wengi watatafuta watoto wa kike hata nje ya ndoa ili tuu ale uroda na mwanae.

keleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeuuuuwwiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii,tafadhali mtoto wa mkulima sema huuu ni utani pls please ,kuna uncle wangu katengana na mke wake kabaki mwenyewe mwanza na binti yake anasoma saut akifunga shule hataki kuja moshi kwa mama yake nasikia anaendesha gari aliyokuwa anatumia mama yake jamani mbona kama inakuja hivi??na mimi ni na manzi wa kichaga ila tukiwa sirini akipigiwa simu na baba yake anaongea kwa dharau na kumjibu mzee kama mtu wa kawaida sana yaani si mnajua kuna staili za kuongea na madingi ila demu wangu anamwambia baba yake ""si nimeshakuambia baba niko bize aaaah""?nilimuambia kwa nini unamdharau baba yako akasema achana nae:;hee aisee umenitisha na mimi naanza deep research on this hata kama umezidisha % ila nauona ukweli kwenye hili.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Mabinti wa Kichaga wapo wengi humu. Hebu wajitokeze waje wakate mzizi wa fitna. Wapi Relief? Wapi JS?

 

[Zakumi]

We Zakumi unaongea kama huna imani? kula faida ndio nini??Hata hawa wazungu tunawaonea bure kusema ni uzungu.Ni laana iliyozidi kipimo na zaidi ni wapumbavu..yes i said ni wapumbavu!!

Wajameni vitoto vya siku hizi vinakula vizuri na vinapendeza mno. Yaani vinatufadhaisha wazazi.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Mzee Ogah na mwalimu Augustine Moshi mko wapi wazee nyie? Hebu njooni hapa mtuambie kinagaubaga...

 

[Nsiande]

Hatupo kuhukumiana hapa

Inaonyesha wengi wetu hapa hatupo katika position ya kupinga wala kuunga mkono hoja isipokuwa kwa maneno ya mtoto wa mkulima na wewe


Utetezi wako ndio uliowapa watu labda kuanza kuegemea kwa son of a peasant kwa kuwa umehoji idadi tu

Kwangu binafsi I don't care either way

I refute the whole thing, not because I am chaga, but because I don't see point in misleading thread being contributed on, the fact that I reacted on statistics was the way they were generalized, u don't but I do care and deeply especially the fact that all contributors see point in son of a peasant even when he attacks me of the same issue, this isn't a matter of lightening the mood when facts are given which could change perceptions, anyways enough said I leave this to all knowing men and women who knows what they r writing have some truth in

 

[VoiceOfReason]

Am sure hata kama hizi mila zipo (which i doubt very much) lakini am sure hazifuatwi my God this is 2011 and not 1840 AD Gentilian Society

 

[Nsiande]

Nsiande kachukizwa na kuchukizwa huko huenda kumepelekea kuchukua moja kati ya mengi yaliyosemwa na kukomalia hapo hapo. Hiyo mimi naelewa.

Lakini wewe mwenyewe hebu jiulize, hivi huna Wachaga unaowajua wewe? Kama ingekuwa widespread kama baadhi walivyoiweka hapa kwangu au pengine hata kwako isingekuwa ajabu. Mimi sijawahi sikia hii.

Na cases za incest nimeshazisikia kutoka watu wa makabila tofauti tofauti. This one here is new to me.

thank u

 

[Gaijin]

Nsiande kachukizwa na kuchukizwa huko huenda kumepelekea kuchukua moja kati ya mengi yaliyosemwa na kukomalia hapo hapo. Hiyo mimi naelewa.

Lakini wewe mwenyewe hebu jiulize, hivi huna Wachaga unaowajua wewe? Kama ingekuwa widespread kama baadhi walivyoiweka hapa kwangu au pengine hata kwako isingekuwa ajabu. Mimi sijawahi sikia hii.

Na cases za incest nimeshazisikia kutoka watu wa makabila tofauti tofauti. This one here is new to me.

Mie nitakwambia sijawahi hasa kusikia kesi za aina hiyo, zaidi ya hapa JF

Hilo la watoto wa kike kuishi na baba zao ndoa zikivunjika nimelishuhudia kwa familia tatu.

It aren't much and it doesn't prove anything

Hatuwezi kuujua ukweli kwa majadiliano mepesi ya hapa tu.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Kujua wawili watatu wanaofanya incest kwangu mimi hiyo nachukulia kama isolated incidents as opposed to being the norm.

Bado nachelea kuamini.

 

[Gaijin]

Mabinti wa Kichaga wapo wengi humu. Hebu wajitokeze waje wakate mzizi wa fitna. Wapi Relief? Wapi JS?

Na hata kama kafanya kweli unategemea akwambie?!

Waje waseme wao si watoto wa kwanza au wa mwisho wa kike labda.

Duh toto la mkulima leo katuporomoshea kizaa zaa mbona! Duh

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Na hata kama kafanya kweli unategemea akwambie?!

Hapana. Nataka waje watoe tu testimony kama hayo yanayodaiwa ni sehemu ya mila za Kichaga. General testimony na si personal testimony.

 

[Nightangale]

Na hata kama kafanya kweli unategemea akwambie?!

Waje waseme wao si watoto wa kwanza au wa mwisho wa kike labda.

Duh toto la mkulima leo katuporomoshea kizaa zaa mbona! Duh

Hapo sasa, iwe kiujumla au binafsi hakuna atakayekubali hili.
Mkurya mwenyewe atakana kuwa wanatahiri wanawake, hata muhehe atabisha kula mbwa
Sasa iweje mchaga akiri hii 'bad practise'

 

[Gaijin]

Exactly @ nightangale

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Kama hakuna atakayekubali basi yatabakia kuwa ni masimulizi tu.

Ila hii ya Wachaga ni mpya kwangu.

 

[musmyl]

Anataka kuitwa babu-baba

 

[Gaijin]

Kama hakuna atakayekubali basi yatabakia kuwa ni masimulizi tu.

Hata aje mmoja athibitishe bado itakuwa simulizi tu.

Tutamuuliza anawajua wangapi kati ya wangapi walofanya hivyo?

Tutauliza kama kweli ni mchagga pia maana hata huyo son of a peasant amedai kuwa yeye ni mmoja wao!

Hakuna ukweli unaoweza kupatikana JF kwenye hili, wacha liendelee kuwa simulizi tu

Mtu anataka 'proven data' au mtu asiongee tutazipata wapi kwa Tanzania?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Hata aje mmoja athibitishe bado itakuwa simulizi tu.

Tutamuuliza anawajua wangapi kati ya wangapi walofanya hivyo?

Tutauliza kama kweli ni mchagga pia maana hata huyo son of a peasant amedai kuwa yeye ni mmoja wao!

Hakuna ukweli unaoweza kupatikana JF kwenye hili, wacha liendelee kuwa simulizi tu

Mtu anataka 'proven data' au mtu asiongee tutazipata wapi kwa Tanzania?

Ewaa sasa hapo tuko pamoja. Ni masimulizi.

 

[Geru]

Hizo data zinazotolewa napingana nazo maana kawaida binti wa kichagga akiolewa ni lazima the following day wakahakikishe alikuwa mzima ama mzigo ulishaliwa kwa kwenda kukagua mashuka sasa hapo endapo dingi amekuja itakuwa si itakuwa abu yake?