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As abject poverty takes hold, ape meat catches on in Tanzania

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    Mwembetayari JF-Expert Member

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    I never, for the life of me, believed I'd ever see the day and age when some of my fellow Tanzania took to eating apes at the dinner table as a matter of course.

    Alongside humans, monkeys, lemurs and tarsiers, apes are our fellow primates in the Animal Kingdom, the highest order of mammals this side of God's Heaven!

    It's unbelievable that primates would stoop so low as to eat (other) primates ― not to be confused with archbishops, like the Archbishop of Canterbury, who's the Primate of All England! But, no matter...

    What matters here's that the men (and women, to be politically correct!) who have resorted to eating apes are perforce doing this otherwise abominably 'undone' thing not because ape meat is a specialty, a delicacy ― like, say, caviar and champagne are viewed in the West, or a raw fish meal in The Land of the Rising Sun, Nippon!

    The Tanzanians do this because ape-meat is cheaper than, say beef, poultry, pork, venison, fish... In other words, poverty has widened and deepened so much in Tanzania ― compounded by consumer prices beyond the rich of many ―that certain societal segments seek succour in ape meat!

    The October 6, 2011 edition of the Kiswahili daily HabariLEO published the story in all its gory details. The report's title is 'Nyama ya nyani yatishia soko la ngombe:' ape-meat edges beef (and other 'traditional' meats) out of the market … Sheesh!

    While a kilo of beef costs Sh6, 000-7,000 in Ludewa District (Iringa Region), a kilo of ape-meat sells for the relatively low price of Sh2, 000-3,000! A kilo of goat meat costs Sh6, 000, while a live chicken is sold for up to Sh15, 000! The ape-meat is passed off as 'goat' meat.

    Would you believe that in a country which boasts around 20m head of cattle? Today, Tanzania is home to the second largest livestock herds in Africa, second only to Ethiopia (48m head)! Up until July 2011, Tanzania was the third, behind the Sudan (40m head) ―overtaking that country when Southern Sudan was hived off it!

    Not even bigger economies like South Africa (15m head); Nigeria (17m) Kenya (18m) have bigger livestock herds than Tanzania. Yet, meat prices in Tanzania have finally driven ordinary Tanzanians into eating their anthropological relatives!

    And, while this keeps wildlife poachers, skinners and traders in the money, ape-meat keeps the wolf from the doors of Ludewans, so to speak!

    According to the Ludewa District Game Officer, it's impossible to lay hands on the poachers who are threatening the very existence of apes in the place. That's partly because of total lack of cooperation from the local communities who lean over backwards to protect their sources/procurers of a regular meat dish!

    What I'd like to know is whether this burgeoning habit of feeding on our 'wild relatives' is confined to Iringa Region only, or it's happening in other 'wildlife rich' communities... And, what'll happen if and when the country runs out of apes?

    At this consumptive pace, that's bound to happen ― unless and until the prevailing adverse socio-economic situation changes drastically in favour of ordinary Tanzanians!

    But, if that doesn't happen ― and we run out of apes ― shall we then turn upon each other in the tradition of cannibalism in the true sense of the term: eating human flesh?

    Not that we can ever escape cannibalism in the 'Ingersoll' sense... Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899) said 'although men (and women!) have largely stopped eating each other, they nonetheless still live on each other!'

    This is especially in Africa and Tanzania, where the people live on alms, official and familial! Get the Big Pic? Cheers!

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    Huyu ni mwandishi mmoja mzushi aka sensationalist anayependa kutumia nadharia tuu bila ushahid na ni mtu anayeishi kwenye njozi zake mwenyewe za kutunga kimaandishi tu. Hana credibility yoyote. Muulize kama alishawahi kuona nyama ya nyani ikiiuzwa sokoni mahali popote, achilia mbali yeye mwenyewe kuionja hiyo nyama. Kudadeki!
     
  3. Nyani Ngabu

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    Njabu, Congo wanakula hiyo makitu. Soma hapa.
     
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    If he is concerned about our family ties with apes, then we might as well stop eating other mammals, other brothers (and sisters to be politically correct) from the animal kingdom, and even Mollusca and Crustacea since they are our fellow living being. We should only eat leaves that fall from the threes (not the fruits, this is abortion).

    I am concerned about poverty, but It wouldn't occur to me to pick one dish from the plates of the poor and talk about poverty. Those people lack everything, from rights to power, and all this article is concerned about is our brothers the apes?

    I am not even sure that all of those people eat those apes because they have nothing else to eat, he is still to prove that. They could be eating it like people from Congo do: because they like it (as mentioned by NN, thanks mkuu)
     
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    Hoja yako haisaidii lolote kuondoa nadharia ya kipuuzi aliyotoa mwandishi wa makala hapo juu kuhusu nyama ya nyani kutumiwa kama kitoweo, hali ngumu ya maisha na umasikini anayodai kuwepo hivi sasa, na uwezekano wa kutoweka kwa nyani kama kiumbe hai kutokana na nyama yake kufanywa kitoweo na binadamu. As a matter of fact, makabila lukuki yanayoshi Kongo yanatumia nyani kama kitoweo hivi leo, na yalianza zamani sana kula nyama ya nyani hata kabla ya Wakoloni kuingia eneo la nchi yao na kuanza ku-document tabia hii. Hadi hii leo wanaendelea kula nyani kama kawa pamoja na madudu mengine kibao kama mamba ambao mtu wa kawaida Tanzania hatumii kama nyama, bila ya kelele za kutoweka kwa viumbe hawa.
     
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    Ooh haya, hamna neno.
     
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    Siyo kila kitu kinatathminiwa in terms of shillings and cents (Or maybe supply and demand.) Afterall, uamuzi wa kula au kutokula nyama ya nyani, nguruwe, ng'ombe, mbuzi, panya, maharagwe na kisamvu or whatever involves a conscious decision on the part of the consumer. Na siyo rahisi kum-convince mtu wa kawaida aliyezoea nyama ya ng'ombe, samaki wa aina mbalimbali, mbuzi, kondoo, kuku, bata, kanga, sungura, panya, njiwa, nguruwe na wanyama kibao wa angani, baharini, ardhini na hata chini ya ardhi, ghafla tu aanze kuamua kula nyama ya nyani eti sababu vitoweo vingine vyoote ni aghali mno au labda nyama ya nyani ni tamu sana.
     
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    According to the report he cites poverty is the cause of this. His article is a point of astonishment by the level of desperation that I know anyone here can see in this unusual act. The people themselves have said poverty is what has led to this. Beef is out of their reach and the only thing they can go for is monkey as the politicians wine and dine on steak.
     
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    I know you are trying to spin this but the people themselves cite abject poverty as a reason for eating monkeys. It is sad!
     
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    NYAMA ya nyani kwa matumizi ya majumbani na baadhi ya sehemu za biashara, inaelekea kuipiku ile ya ng’ombe katika maeneo mbalimbali, wilayani Ludewa mkoani Iringa.

    Umasikini uliopindukia miongoni mwa wakazi wa wilaya hiyo umeelezwa kuwa sababu inayowafanya baadhi yao kuitumia zaidi nyama hiyo kwa vile wanashindwa kumudu kununua nyama ya mifugo iliyopo katika orodha halali ya matumizi ya kila siku ya binadamu.

    Ofisa Maliasili wa Wilaya hiyo, Japhet Mnyagala alisema matumizi ya nyama ya nyani yameanza kuhatarisha uwepo wa wanyama hao katika misitu mbalimbali ya wilaya hiyo.

    Baadhi ya wakazi wa wilaya hiyo waliozungumza na HabariLeo mwishoni mwa wiki kwa sharti la kutotaja majina yao gazetini, walisema nyama hiyo ni mkombozi mkubwa katika familia zao kwa sababu inauzwa kwa bei nafuu.

    “Tunaomba Mungu wanyama hawa waendelee kuwepo katika mapori yetu kwa sababu sisi tusio na uwezo wa kununua nyama ya ng’ombe na mbuzi, tutaendelea kuila nyama ya nyani,” alisema mmoja wao.

    Alisema nyama hiyo imekuwa ikiuzwa kwa kati ya Sh 2,000 na 3,000 kwa kilo wakati ile ya ng'ombe inauzwa kwa kati ya Sh 6,000 na Sh 7,000.

    Mkazi mwingine anayetumia nyama hiyo alisema mbali na utamu wake kuuzidi ule wa nyama ya mbuzi, haina madhara yoyote ya kiafya kwa matumizi ya binadamu na akaomba serikali ihalalishe.

    Alisema nyama ya mbuzi ambayo matumizi yake sio makubwa sana katika maeneo mengi wilayani humo inauzwa kwa Sh 6,000 kwa kilo huku kuku mmoja akiuzwa kwa zaidi ya Sh 15,000.

    Akizungumzia mikakati ya serikali ya kukabiliana na uwindaji haramu wa nyani, Ofisa Maliasili wa wilaya hiyo alisema wanashirikiana na Polisi kuwasaka wahusika.

    Hata hivyo, alisema kazi ya kuwakamata watu hao ngumu kwa sababu wanakosa ushirikiano kutoka kwa jamii inayotunza siri za wawindaji hao.

    Alisema taarifa walizonazo zinadai kwamba nyama hiyo inauzwa kama nyama ya mbuzi majumbani mwa watu na kwenye baadhi ya vilabu vya pombe.

    Alisema maeneo yenye taarifa zilizokithiri kwa uuzaji wa nyama hiyo ni ya kijiji cha Ludewa kilichopo katika kata ya Ludewa na vijiji mbalimbali vya kata za Mkomang’ombe na Kilondo.

    http://www.habarileo.co.tz/kitaifa/?n=21723
     
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    Sawa kaka, umesikika.
     
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    Where's your proof?
     
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    Kwa hiyo unataka kusema hawa nyani wanapatikana Wilaya ya Ludewa tu, au labda huo umaskini wa kutupa hadi Watu waanze kula nyama ya nyani upo Wilaya ya Ludewa tu, mkoani Iringa?
     
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    Kama nyama ya nyani ipo kwa bei nafuu....why not?
     
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    Hii mada imeniharibia kabisa hamu yangu ya kula. Nilikuwa nimekorofisha kiti faya sasa baada ya kuingia hapa na kusoma ikabidi nizame google kutafuta makala za watu kula nyani.

    Sasa huko google nikakumbana na mipicha kibao ya nyama choma za nyani....and now my appetite is fcuked up. Damn it!!
     
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    Linalosema hivyo ni gazeti.

    Sasa ama mwandishi yeye amefuatilia habari za Ludewa tu na za kwengine hajui, au wakazi wa Ludewa wameamua kuwa pioneers kwenye ulaji wa nyani, kwa kusoma makala hiyo pekee hatuwezi jua
     
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    Kwa mantiki yako, bora watu wangekula mbwa na paka sababu ni rahisi kufuga na kupatikana na ingekuwa bei nafuu zaidi ukilinganisha na kwenda msituni kuwinda au kukamata nyani msituni.
     
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    Kuna mtu alisema sababu moja Wachina wanakula vitu vingi sana vya "ajabu" ni kwamba kama wangeamua kula wali tu, wangehitaji mchele wa dunia nzima. Sijui uhakika wa habari hii lakini inayumkinika kwa sababu watu wanavyozidi kuwa wengi wanakosa uchaguzi mkubwa sana.

    Lakini huyu muandishi - kama madai yake yana msingi na si ya kiuzushi tu kama anavyosema Ndjabu Da Dude- anashangaa kwa nini nyama ya ng'ombe inakuwa na bei kubwa sana katika nchi yenye ng'ombe wengi. Huku kushangaa kunaonyesha hayuko kabisa katika jamii za kitanzania zinazoangalia mifugo kama kile Waingereza wanachokiita "a store of wealth". Kuna mababu ukiwaambia wauze mifugo ni sawa na kumwambia mfanyakazi wa kimagharibi atoe fedha kwenye mfuko wa mafao yake. Atakupinga sana. Kwa hiyo wingi wa ng'ombe si hoja. Watu hawataki kuuza ng'ombe, na wakiuza ni bei mbaya. Ndiyo maana wengine wanaona isiwe tabu, tufanye ubunifu mwingine.

    Habari aliyoileta RussianRoulette ni ya msingi. Kusema kwamba kula nyama ya "primate" ni vibaya zaidi ya kula nyama ya mbuzi ni sawasawa na kusema kumuibia jirani yangu ni vibaya kuliko kumuibia Mmarekani mtalii nisiyemjua. Wizi ni wizi, ama mwizi ama si mwizi. Ama unakula nyama, ama huli.Baada ya kusema hilo, kuna ukweli pia kwamba unapokaribia zaidi wanyama wanaofanana na wewe genetically, ndipo mambo ya muingiliano yanapoweza kuleta matatizo zaidi. Ndiyo maana ni mwiko kuoana ndugu, si tu kwa sababu jamii imeamua kufanya hivyo, jamii imeamua kufanya hivyo kwa sababu za msingi kwamba incest inazaa mtoto anayeweza kuzidisha matatizo ya afya mara mbili (suppose someone has a mother with breast cancer causing genes, and ends up marrying having a child with his natural sister, he and the sister may both end up passing the same cancer causing genes to the offspring). So there is an argument to be made that we have to be playing far from home. And with that the "don't eat your fellow primates" argument may hold.

    After all, there is a credible school of thought that holds that the genesis of HIV is in this very habit of eating primates in The Congo. To much controversy nevertheless. But one can see the reasoning. You eat - well actually the skinning and butchering is the most dangerous part- meat too close to your own, and you pass on some previously dormant pathogens to your bloodstream.

    But then again those Dutch scientists who developed these extinction level event gems probably deserve more attention than your run of the mill African "exotic" meat eater.
     
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    Watu wanakula mbwa na paka duniani. Wakianza kula huko Ludewa sitashangaa
     
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    Sasa kwa hoja yako hapo juu, una-sound kama mwandishi ambaye ni chanzo cha habari nzima kwenye thread hii. Kwa kifupi, unaishi kwenye njonzi. One or another social-economical phenomenon inayodaiwa kutokea Ludewa haimaanishi kwamba ndiyo mfano wa hali halisi iliyopo Tanzania nzima kwa ujumla.
     
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