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Artistic Politics Of Zitto

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Azipa, Oct 3, 2012.

  1. Azipa

    Azipa JF-Expert Member

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    Karatu is a CHADEMA stronghold. The only thing that comes to mind why ZZK is going there now is that it's such an ideal picturesque place. ZZK needs such pictures to solicit sponsorship for his presidential campaign. He can send those pictures outside Tanzania to countries like Norway, Netherlands etc

    I understand that he also intends to go to Hai. My worry though is that such political rallies might as well provoke some CHADEMA supporters by simply turning him away and probably lead to skirmishes. CHADEMA to be associated with violence again is the last thing we want right now
     
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    uttoh2002 JF-Expert Member

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    Zitto Ni Janga! But as I said and believe he is falling indefinitely; an Chadema will stay strong; we live chadema as a party and in their holly unity, not one individual looking for the personal gains.
     
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    Father of All JF-Expert Member

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    Who wants such a self-seeker in the office of president? The one we have currently is enough. It should nary be repeated to vote for a myopic creature to become our president. If I were Zitto I would get a wife for myself first and learn to rule my family before contemplanting about running a country. Tanzania is a young democracy that does not want a wannabe president.
     
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    You've hit it on the head!
     
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    T2015CCM JF-Expert Member

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    Mr. speaker sir, do you think that ZZK has decided to do that without his leaders decisions? If not why are you worrying while he has been allowed by his opponents?
     
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    T2015CCM JF-Expert Member

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    what do do think will be impact on this if the man will decide to marry one of his opponent's daughter?
     
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    iseesa JF-Expert Member

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    Kindly let ZZK live in peace. He is just aspiring as a presidential candidate. He is NOT a presidential candidate.
     
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    Makupa JF-Expert Member

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    Zitto is defending unknown interest even to himself
     
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    Shardcole JF-Expert Member

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    Mzimu wa Tiss na Zoka ukikuandama basi hata uaminifu utapoteza kabisa.


    "KAMA SI BWANA, NA ISRAEL ASEME SASA"
     
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    mwacheni akague uhai wa chama. tunamataka pia aende dodoma na viunga vyake just kukagua uhai wa chama
     
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    Azipa JF-Expert Member

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    Your mere use of "opponents" is reason enough to believe you're in ZZK camp
     
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    too unfair and selfishness to ask for any step of zzk,i think movement of zzk now hit were it hurt.
     
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    Can zzk alone shake the bonded CDM-CC?? the answer is outright no.he is just shambling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
     
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    The honorable zzk was just giving out his own ideas ,there is no chance for that yet,
    the part is going to do somethings about it.His ambition to be the president is his
    but remember the party will nominate the Candidate"if you are not nominated then
    who will vote for you"Being in one party is one thing and to have different ideas is
    humanity so let him show his humanity.
     
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    Makupa JF-Expert Member

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    Zitto is too ambitious , he cant be trusted to be numbert one citizen to our beloved land of kilimanjaro and Zanzibar
     
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    kwa umbea kama huu inaonekana unamkubali sana ZZK , kama wampenda si umwambie tu kwa nini kuzjizungusha zungusha na vimanenomaneno
     
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    This created a heated and long debated in the Jamii Forum social network under the headline "Honourable Zitto (pictured) what is the truth behind this story?"
    The whole issue is centred on a donation which was made by African Barrick Gold to Kabwe's Kigoma North constituency. According to the report which Kabwe acknowledged, this could only happen because Kigoma North MP who has declared himself socialist, has enough power to threaten the terms of African Barrick Gold, and has so much public support.
    All this has root from the disclosure that Zitto Zuberi Kabwe made in Parliament in relation to the Buzwagi mine project in 2007. The disclosure had a big impact on the reputation of individuals, the government, African Barrick Gold and the mining industry.
    According to the report, for Kabwe things were going on so smoothly that he named his constituency a mine-less constituency, meaning it was enjoying the benefit of the mining industry directly, despite being miles away from the mines.
    Without beating about the bush, Kabwe has disappointed a lot of people after he had won their support. The first punch in Kabwe credibility was when he was named a member of the Bomani Committee and agreed to take part even after his own party leaders opposed the idea. By any criterion, having anything whatsoever to do with the mining sector should have been a no go area for Kabwe. Why?
    One, he was the accuser; in fact a whistle blower, whose only qualification on his side was the membership to the big forum – the Parliament. The membership in the committee availed him with a direct interaction with the accused - African Barrick Gold.
    The interaction between the two was at the expense of Kabwe as he could not match them in any aspect. Two, he knew nothing about the mining sector, thus there is no way he would have made any constructive criticism and contribution. This view is also held by many writers on the mining industry. For example, Brian Cooksey said the following on the Bomani Committee:
    "There was only one technician on the Bomani Committee, all the other members were politicians, including two from opposition parties, senior civil servants and an official from the Dar es Salaam Stock Exchange.
    Interviewees from the mining sector complained that the Commission did little to engage with the mining industry during its deliberations, and the main thrust of the report was to cancel tax exemptions, increase existing taxes and change the basis for calculating royalties.
    The report also recommended the introduction of ‘ring-fencing', so that losses incurred by a company in exploration and drilling in one prospective mining location cannot be offset against income from a profitable mine. The Committee repeated the Kipokola's recommendation that the GOT (Government of Tanzania) should take an equity stake in new FMC mines through STAMICO or the NDC.
    "The PWC tax expert on the Committee was concerned that the cumulative effect of the tax and other recommendations would be to undermine Tanzania's attractiveness to potential mining investors, and he did not therefore endorse the report.
    His main point was that the Committee had dealt with taxes and royalties on an individual basis, with no attempt to understand their aggregate impact on mining profitability, and therefore on future investments. He also questioned the relevance of basing taxes and royalties on rates applicable in other mining jurisdictions."
    Despite these shortcomings, still Kabwe wishes to be credited with a high score mark on a long list of the good things he has done this country and use it as immunity against any wrong doing like this one in question.
    However, to a politician, especially inexperienced politician as he was then does not think that way. Kabwe grabbed the opportunity and at long last he is now paying the price. On another hand the Bomani committee turned to be a long study tour to Kabwe. He came to know the mining sector as well as Barrick better.
    Kabwe must be credited for the effort he put to study and know the mining sector better. This would turn to be his additional asset later in life. But an asset is equated with the liability which unfortunately Kabwe decided to exploit at his own advantage albeit secretly.
    Naturally, you stop to be critical as your knowledge of the subject grows. This partially explains why his tone is seen as being not as it was at the beginning.
    The second punch that haunts Kabwe is his relation with his support built on vilification of African Barrick Gold and the mining industry as a whole. The public has been made to believe that the mining industry has no benefit whatsoever to this country.
    That all people associated to it have either been bribed or are benefiting from it in one way or another. Before the eye of the public, anybody who speaks positively of multinational companies that have invested in the mining sector is seen as traitor, and accomplice to national mineral resource robbery.
    With the knowledge that Kabwe now has, a lot of what the public has made to believe is not wholly true, but he cannot face them and tell them the truth. On March 21, 2009 at St. Augustine University of Tanzania Main campus where Kabwe was one of the speakers in a public forum titled "Coming Together to Discuss the Opportunities, Challenges and Prospects of the Mining Sector", he tried to make a U-turn which immediately drew criticism from the Vice Chancellor, Rev Dr Charles Kitima. The third and final punch in Kabwe reputation is failure to declare to the public that now African Barrick Gold and him are development partners. But what kind of partnership is that - a pure economical relationship based on win-win principle.
    Kabwe does not see anything wrong in soliciting development assistance from African Barrick Gold. He has forgotten that because of his disclosure African Barrick Gold is public enemy number one.
    He has also managed to depict that he is cleverer and more enterprising representative than all members of parliament who are representing constituencies where the mines are located.
    This vilifies the respective members of parliament with their electorate. "If you listen to Kabwe and watch all the talk in parliament, you will mostly find out that he is always trying to benefit personally and not his party nor the country."(JF Senior Expert Member- Jamii Forum)
    Kabwe is not alone and has proved beyond all doubt that not all the noises we hear in the name of saving the public are for that effect. All the noises we hear are for personal gain which is closer to the very noise maker and shrinks as it travels away until it reaches the microscopic dot - the public.
    The target of all the noises is the general public, and once the noise maker has amassed sizable public support, he/she goes out and starts to blackmail the targeted victims.
    Kabwe and other young politicians have managed to show that they are exceptional politicians who have unique features unknown in the political field. But they are just politicians like others who at best take advantage of the public trust. This only works temporarily and only gets sour when the politician has grown addicted.
    For one, Kabwe should use the October 2010 general election result as the sign for unpredictability of the public. According to him, he had projected to win the re-election by 72 percent but ended up with 49 percent.
    Kabwe has two unique characters; he dares and loves the truth. In his contribution in the Jamii Forum he has gone extra mile by trying to justify what happened, but also cautioned the debaters not to make the issue politically.
    He thinks the issue is only ethical, but not political. It is astonishing to see Kabwe struggling to separate ethics from politics. Ethics is embedded in whatever we do - be it politics, research, journalism so forth and so forth.
    Like Nazir Karamagi who made the signing of the Buzwagi contract a secret, Kabwe also kept a secret the donation he solicited from his former public enemy number one, African Barrick Gold. Can this lead him out of the public service like it did to Nazir Karamagi?
    However, according to Kabwe, he is the one who disclosed to the Canadian researcher what Barrick has donated to his constituency, and doesn't regret at all. But, he was shocked by the reaction taken by some members of the public who thoroughly and bitterly debated the issue online.
    Some contributors in the forum think he has done this country a lot so he should be left alone. Others are of the view that what Kabwe has done is enough to have him face the consequence irrespective of his past record and set up a lesson to other upcoming young politicians.
    This country can no longer afford to have public figures that don't live to their words. It can also not afford to have leaders who character-assassinate others for the very crime they also committed with impunity. Reverend Christopher Mtikila once said "A fisadi is a person who accuses others of a deed that he or she also does at best."
    The fight against the corrupt and corruption is a moral fight. So far we can't conclude that the $10,000 was bribe, but failure by the Honourable Kabwe to declare this donation before the Parliament or to the Judge Mark Bomani led mining review committee cast doubt about the image of the man we have trusted as our fighter.
    If the youth have no one with integrity, character, moral values to look up to, what is the future then…every one for oneself? Complete greed? I recall a quote from MLK, "the moral arc of the universe is long but it bends at the elbow of justice".
    It is the duty of this generation to guide the next generation, to the right path, not take them on the wrong moral path. People have died fighting, exposing corruption in this country, the past generation did it the way they knew best, through print media, radio etc.
    The social networks such as Jamii Forum are limited to few people, and let us therefore widen the horizon by making this agenda public. On the other hand Kabwe has enjoyed a lot of public support, he deserves a public debate, let us have a fair and objective debate about this matter
     
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    Basi Zitto alivyomaliza kuhutubia Karatu wana CHADEMA wakaanza kuimba "Rais, Rais, Raissss" hadi raha yaani!
     
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    While Dr. Slaa, Mbowe and others are still busy trying to open new branches ZZK's presidential nomination campaign seems to be well underway. That's why I always say ZZK is burdensome

    And he seems to have a good strategy. He wants to win support of delegates from home constituencies of Dr. Slaa and Mbowe first!
     
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    Before becoming head of the state let him start heading his family, the state will be later
     
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